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Location:

Cypress,TX,

Member Since:

Oct 10, 2009

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

5K: 24:22 (March 2010); 22:33 (October 2010); 20:47 (May 2011); 21:05 (May 2012); 21:33 (September 2012); 21:23 (November, 2013); 22:31 (September 2014)

5M:  39:22 (November, 2012); 35:54 (November, 2013); 36:03 (March, 2015)

10K: 44:08 (November, 2010); 49:20 (July, 2013); 44:07 (April, 2015)

12K:  56:03 (December, 2013); 58:58 (December, 2014)

10M:  1:11:58 (October, 2012); 1:15:24 (October, 2014)

Half Marathon:  1:53:xx (London's Run 2010); 2:05:21 (Cowtown 2010); 1:37:04 (Gusher 2011); 1:42:19 (Huntsville 2011); 1:33:47 (Baytown Jailbreak 2012); 1:33:50 (The Woodlands 2012); 1:42:52 (Texas 2015); 1:49:17 (Jailbreak 2015); 1:38:34 (The Woodlands 2015)

25K: 2:01:47 (Fifth Third River Bank, May 2014)

Marathon: 5:51:35 (Texas Marathon 2009); 6:21:36 (Ogden 2009); 4:58:29 (St. George 2009); 4:13:45 (Texas Marathon 2010); 4:04:12 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2010); 5:11:14 (Hartford ING, 2010); 3:41:43 (Richmond SunTrust, 2010); 3:39:27 (Texas Marathon 2011); 3:41:46 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2011); 3:30:35 (St. George 2011); 3:41:51 (Richmond 2012); 3:49:15 (Texas 2013); 3:46:59 (Paavo Nurmi, 2013); 3:34:04 (St. George 2013); 3:49:51 (Texas 2014); 3:31:59 (Richmond 2014); 3:28:34 (Boston 2015)

Short-Term Running Goals:

3:20, 1:30, 0:20

Long-Term Running Goals:

I'm 60, there is no long term.

Personal:

I live, work and run in Houston, Texas.  I have run 17 marathons, some good ones and some others.  I prefer straight, flat, cold, sea-level marathons, still waiting for my first one.  I feel like there are more PRs out there.  When I have them, I am told it is time to dial it back, run for healthy reasons.  I'm sure that's right, and I'm sure it won't happen.

My wife and I are from the mountains of the west.  We have five kids, three granddaughters and three grandsons.  The kids and grandkids are native Texans but we are not -- you have to be born here.

As for my blog title: I run most of my miles before sunrise, sometimes hours before. On the back road of my neighborhood two hours before daylight, I can depend on a pack of mutts behind the boundary fence lighting up when they hear my footsteps. I have wondered what they wanted; but according to Hemingway I needn't ask.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2648.03468.87136.595.303258.79
Race: Texas Marathon (26.22 Miles) 03:39:27, Place overall: 39, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0026.220.000.0026.22

51F at start, 61F at end, 22% humidity (lowest I have ever seen in Houston), wind N 8 to 22 mph, beautiful day for running unless you are trying to run a marathon, then you have to give it a B+, the low humidity probably saved the day.  Today was the Texas Marathon, a small 400+ marathon in the Houston community of Kingwood that takes 4 laps around a community jogging trail, basically an out and back with a loop at the far end, so all day you are seeing other runners for both the half and the full.  I ran my first marathon here exactly two years ago today, then ran it again last year and got a big PR, so this one has a spot in my heart, it is the only one I have run more than once.  Last year I got a big PR.  Today I got a small PR, but I’m happy with it.  Here is how it happened:

When I woke up this morning I still felt pretty lousy from the flu-like symptoms I have had all week.  In the early hours I could still feel the fever.  I almost bailed but didn’t, decided that part of running is to take your races as they come.  After I got moving around a little bit I felt better anyway, so I got in the car and drove to Kingwood.  Got there way early and just sat around second-guessing my decision, but when everybody is lining up you just line up.  The plan was to try to mimic the Richmond heart rate pattern:  < 160 for the first 10 miles, 160-165 for the next 5, < 170 until mile 20, then whatever I can do after that.  Whatever speed that translates to, so be it.  This turned out to be a good strategy, took a lot of the stress out of a less than ideal situation.  Here are my splits (no good skin connection for the first three miles, so no reliable heart rate read-outs until mile 4):

First 5:  8:07, 8:09, 8:01, 8:22 (158) and 8:31 (159).  As soon as I got a good heart rate reading I could see that I was going too fast.  I felt great and didn’t want to slow down and watch my 3:30 goal slip away, but I knew that if I was 100% I would have a lower heart rate at these speeds and that I was in no position to gamble like I did at Richmond, so I slowed down and let the miles come in wherever they happened to fall.

Second 5:  8:29 (160), 8:31 (159), 8:25 (158), 8:33 (158) and 8:40 (160).  So just like Richmond, the old ticker held steady through these miles and set me up for a decent second half.

Third 5:  8:35 (162), 8:41 (160), 8:34 (164), 8:32 (162) and 8:16 (164).  I intentionally sped up here, using up some energy I had left in the bank in the early miles, but didn’t really go that fast.

Fourth 5:  8:19 (165), 8:22 (168), 8:24 (168), 8:26 (170) and 8:12 (171).  At mile 16.5 I was taking my last shot of EFS and caught my shoe on a sidewalk lip.  Down I went for the third time in a month.  I am getting good at this, I rolled to my left onto the lawn and managed to not stick my arms out.  Still got a nasty scrape on my knee that drove my younger granddaughter nuts.

Last 10K:  8:08 (172), 8:28 (171), 8:37 (168), 8:37 (167), 9:04 (168) and 8:42 (168).  There were no high heart rates at the end like Richmond, just didn’t have the strength today.  Plus a weird thing happened at about mile 22.  I was coming in for water, yelling for it from about 50 feet away, stepped up and took it, then a fairly heavy woman coming the opposite direction, staring at me, veered right into my face for a spectacular head-on, helmet-to-helmet collision.  I won despite giving up 30 pounds, but how does this happen?  I think these are the same people that drive 45 mph in the left lane.  Some of my friends in the biological specialties need to isolate this gene so we can eliminate it from the pool.

I finished in 3:39:27, 39th place overall.  Half marathon split was 1:49:37, second half 1:49:50, almost dead even.  A little more than 2 minutes better than Richmond, but the course is about 0.2 short I think, so my overall pace appears to have been almost identical.  Several other people said the same thing.  How is it that there is so much variation in certified courses?  I think there were about 400 running the marathon, but not sure.  It usually takes this race a while to post results, and they don’t do age group or anything like that.  But my son went and got the results for me, so I think they are official.  Anyway, it felt really good to finish and get a PR under the circumstances.  My daughter ran the half in 1:48:38, 8:17 per mile, so she ran faster than me, and got 32nd overall, very proud of her and her rapid progress.

I got compression socks this week and had my family put them on after the race, but I still had some cramping and so was stuck on the lawn for a while.  Pretty soon this guy comes up and starts talking to me, asks me if I ran the marathon and what did I think.  I non-committally said it’s a long ways.  Then he asks if I am part of the local running club and I said no, I drove over from the other side of town.  Then he says he wants to talk to the local club about nutrition, anybody who would eat a pepperoni pizza (I had just had three pieces) after running a marathon has their head up . . . .  whoa, got a live one here.  Turns out he is a multi-level marketer for a prominent vitamin company whose product is so good it cures cancer, diabetes and heart conditions, in addition to actually making you younger.  There I was, stuck on the lawn waiting for the calf cramps to subside, the ultimate captive audience.  Got out of there pronto with the help of the compression socks and without buying anything.

One last thing.  This is the "Texas Marathon", and as you may know, everything is bigger in Texas.  Here we are holding our finisher medals:

Solid brass, about 5 pounds apiece.

Comments
From Smooth on Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 23:41:12 from 67.2.79.80

CONGRATULATIONS on a PR, hey small or not, a PR is a PR especially coming off a flu w/ fever and all!!! Your splits are so steady and consistent, EVEN 2 halfs, show what great shape you are in! EXCELLENT race, Flat!

AND check out that medal! Holly Molly, that is one gynormous thing! I am jealous. Didn't they use to give out stuff animal. I see that you got a duck hat too. Man, I REALLY need to run that marathon!

Sorry you were "captured" by the lame salesman!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! WHAT A WAY to start 2011. Hope you're savoring a job-well-done and the flu is history!

From Rye on Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 23:46:58 from 174.27.115.129

Nice job flat. Those are some cute grandkids.....Echo smooth...wait to start the year! We have a company out here in Idaho Falls that has a product that you can brush your teeth with and scrub your toilet and it does wonders for both!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 01:54:56 from 109.70.68.174

Awesome job on the PR. To go a few minutes faster than Richmond (really, to even finish a 26.2-mile race) when you're sick like that just means you must have been in great shape. Your next PR will just be all the bigger now.

Now that I've seen the medals, I think I have my back-up marathon if I don't win the Chevron Houston lotto next year.

Congrats to you and your daughter!

From PRE on Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 08:44:09 from 99.50.214.225

Hi Flatlander,

Great race report. I like the way you fragment the race into 4 five milers and then a final 10K. It allows me to quickly reference portions of the race.

So you did PR. Glad to hear that. I saw that at the tail end of the race your HR was in the 167-172 range. What is your Max Heart Rate? I am trying to figure out what percent of maximum heart rate you were running at the tail end of the Marathon.

I did not get to see the medal. Do you think you will re-post the picture? The report says it was removed.

After reading this report, I think I may be training from a Heart Rate perspective. I do that now...monitor it and such. But I had not been looking at the Heart Rate while running. I was checking out the splits. Looking at the heart rate might be psychologically more sound.

From flatlander on Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 10:26:48 from 76.31.26.153

Smooth, thanks so much. Yes they give out an animal every year. This was the year of the duck, in addition to our hats we got small plastic ones with our finishing place written on it. Plus a hat, a shirt and a mug. This is a really fun marathon, in addition to being almost flat.

Rye, when I read your comment the first time I thought you were joking, but as I think about it I am not so sure. I could totally see somebody trying to sell something like that.

Thanks Joe, now that I have a night's sleep under my belt I am realizing just how much fun I had yesterday and making plans for my next race. Too bad I have to train and can't just race all the time.

PRE, thanks for the support. I re-posted the picture, not sure why it came down. Maybe Photobucket thinks they own the picture now? Let me know if you can't see it. My max heart rate is 193, believe it or not, almost 30 bpm higher than the average for my age. In Richmond I got up into the high 170s close to the end, but even there it went down the last mile or two. I need to get better at running with a high heart rate in the last stages, there is an extra 5 minutes to be had there I think.

From allie on Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 11:24:53 from 174.23.238.75

awesome report, flat. your half splits are great -- so consistent! congrats on the great race and the PR.

my favorite part of this report is the multi-level marketing guy with the magic vitamins. i love those people! i am one of them. and so is burt. i sell edible stain remover and alarm clocks that make scrambled eggs for you in the morning. let me know if you are interested in giving me $500, and i will give you the details.

congrats once again to both you and your daughter. you definitely rang in the new year in the right way. wear that giant medal with pride!

From Burt on Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 13:08:32 from 173.87.186.51

Great job Mark! I remember when I used to be faster than you. (It was when you were injured, but I'll take it.) What the heck was up with the lady running into you? Glad you defied the laws of physics on that one. And where are the grass and blood stains in the picture? You didn't Paul H. Dunn that story, did you?

About MLM's: a superior way to sell an inferior product. JK, allie. I love my alarm clock. Especially with my upgrade to cheese and ketchup option.

From Kelli on Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 16:52:20 from 71.219.84.215

OH MY, those medals are insane!!!

Congrats on a PR and a successful race to ring in the New Year!

I find absolutely nothing wrong with Pizza after a race, I actually think it sounds like a bit of heaven!

From derhammer on Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 23:10:39 from 24.28.82.222

Great job on the PR with a fall, a collision and recovering from the flu!

Do you have your watch set up with auto alert for the HR, or do you check it regularly as you run?

Interesting comment about the racing/training. I love training but don't like racing so much.

From flatlander on Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 19:36:07 from 76.31.26.153

Allie, so glad I went easy on the guy! I think a $500 franchise fee is very reasonable, I'll let you know as soon as I'm in a position to invest.

Burt, you've always been faster than me, still are. I posted a picture today, let me know if you require anything further.

Kelli, come on down and run it sometime! I think I almost have Smooth talked into it.

David, thanks, I certainly wouldn't be able to race all the time, probably pushed it a little too much running three marathons in 11 weeks. Glad I got through it without posting another stinker. I probably won't do another marathon until late spring or even longer. As for the monitor, I just check it whenever I think about it, usually 3 or 4 times a mile, can't stand the beeper.

From Kelli on Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 21:31:11 from 71.219.84.215

I think the humidity would absolutely do me in!

From jasro on Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 00:54:02 from 173.152.212.233

Amazing job!!

From MarkP on Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 12:28:25 from 24.2.76.180

Great race even with the tumble! Did you get a phone number for miracle vitamin boy? That medal will make a nice boat anchor.

From flatlander on Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 15:13:31 from 198.207.244.102

Kelli, it was 22% humidity and I can guarantee that will happen every year!

Jasro, thanks, best of luck with your running this year.

Mark, yeah, now all I need is a bass boat to go with it. Not really a Texan until you get a bass boat.

From Kelli on Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 20:21:53 from 71.219.84.215

Pretty sure I would pass out by mile 2!

From I Just Run on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 13:04:12 from 67.79.11.242

Wow, you did it all today, big milage, LHR and Fast! Great job! Looks like you're building up you milage again. Do you have any races planned for the near future?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Taking the day off, might take a few days off although I feel pretty good.  Now that I have slept on it a couple of nights, still very happy about Saturday's race, but pretty sure there will be better days.  A few wind-up items and then I will put it to bed:

1.   It was only a 2-minute PR but it was significant in a couple of ways.  I moved down one age bracket in the BQ chase, and for women I am now BQ-qualified in the open category (no surgery planned, however).  I also beat my old long-term goal of 3:40.

2.  I put the finisher's medal on a food scale (you can tell that work is busy today).  It weighs 48 ounces, exactly 3 pounds, so they exaggerated when they said it was 5 pounds.  By comparison, however, I weighed last year's medal and it was a mere 30 ounces, so this year is a definite improvement.

3.  Looks like my official finishing place is 39th out of 317, not 37th and not quite a top 10% finish.  I am listed 40th by gun time, but I was 30 seconds late crossing the starting mat so one slower runner is listed ahead of me.  I was the 36th male and second in age group by about 1 minute.  My daughter finished the half 30th overall out of 300, 10th female and first in her age group.

4.  To squelch a nasty rumor started by Burt, I am not making up my spill at mile 16.5.  Here is the photographic evidence, which I think documents a pretty bad owie.  Sorry if anybody is squeamish, but this is not a pretty sport.  (Burt, it's the left leg, and you can tell by the bony knee structure that it is mine.)

Comments
From Stephen on Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 16:32:28 from 174.52.135.96

Beautiful! Too bad it was a head-on collision. Impact from behind would have sped you up even more.

From Rye on Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 18:15:42 from 174.27.115.129

Love the blood! Enjoy those calm days at work. Oh by the way, I have some ointment that my help you recover from that spill.....afterwards you can use it to clean your oven.

From allie on Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 20:05:21 from 174.23.238.75

ouch! cool picture, and nice recap of your race. 3 pounds is still pretty hefty for a medal :)

From Burt on Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 20:34:16 from 206.19.214.144

Oh yeah, that's your bony knees. That's how I spotted you at London's Run.

From derhammer on Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 10:38:11 from 65.67.40.73

Yikes.

How about posting a pic of that medal - I need to see that.

From flatlander on Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 10:49:12 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks all. David, the medals are now in my new blog picture. I'll have to take a close-up photo at some point.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.503.000.000.005.50

39F, 80% humidity, wind NW 5 mph.  Fantastic running weather this morning.  I have been fighting a work schedule and a persistent cold all week, but mostly a creeping lethargy --  I knew I needed to get out for a run today even though I don't have the time.  My wife did the seminary run so I was able to sleep in a little.  Then ran 5.5 miles in 47:52, average pace 8:42 per mile, flat shoes.  Ran first two at low heart rate, 10:03 and 9:29, then 3 at GMP, 8:00, 7:51 and 7:39, then 1/2 cooldown.  Heart rate still a little high, but it felt really good to get some endorphins back into my system.  Still slammed by work but more optimistic now about getting through this rough patch.

I need to make a plan for the year.  Even though I didn't get a 3:30 marathon, I'm thinking I was probably close under better conditions and I should go ahead and target a faster one.  That is the only way I can get better.  It doesn't happen for me if I just go out and run without a plan. 

Comments
From PRE on Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 00:08:53 from 99.50.214.225

I know what you mean about having a plan. I used the McMillan calculator and plugged in my Half Marathon PR. McMillan calculator has predictions for what I should be doing at a multitude of other distances. In essence, ready made goals by McMillan. My best distance is the Half Marathon. I do not perform as well at the other distances. So Primary Goal Number Two: to be rated at 555 for all distances. Primary goal number one: Do the 40-55 miles weekly as scheduled and at correct HR intensities.

You did very well in 2010. Your Marathon time saw dramatic improvement. Good Luck with arriving at your plan.

From SlowJoe on Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 17:17:41 from 214.13.130.104

Nice to see you back at it, working on that next marathon again.

From Burt on Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 18:59:25 from 206.19.214.144

You currently have 0.09 miles more than me on the year. That should be your goal.

From Rye on Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 23:30:46 from 168.103.42.50

I believe most runners like to plan and prepare. Paying special attention to details. Some more than others. Good luck. You are Mr. Consistency.

From flatlander on Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 13:16:02 from 76.31.26.153

PRE, thanks. What does it mean to be rated 555? Not familiar with that system.

Thanks Joe. Are you back soon?

Burt, something is going to have to give. I don't think this blog is big enough for two premier runners like us.

Rye, thanks, come on down for a run if you want to get out of that weather.

From PRE on Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:02:14 from 99.50.214.225

Flatlander,

Hi.

Regarding the 555 Rating: The McMillan calculator is closely related to Glover's work from time and distance standpoint.

Glover however has rating system in place. See below.

The Competitive runner’s Handbook

(Bob Glover and Shelly-lynn Florence Glover)

page 284-289

Men’s Race Time Comparison and Predictor Chart.

A perfect score is 1,000 points which is 100% of the world record for each race distance.

My current ratings:

5K = 530 (24:28)

5M = 535 (39:51)

20K = 560 (1:41:00)

13.1 = 555 (1:46:54)

26.2 = 520 (4:03:42)

555 Ratings are

5K = 23:22

5M = 38:25

10K = 48:35

15K = 1:14:39

10 M = 1:20:29

20K = 1:41:30

13.1 = 1:46:24

26.2 = 3:48:32

My goals are to get the 5K, 5M, and Marathon to the 555 Rating.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.003.000.000.009.00

42F, 61% humidity, wind E 1 mph.  Just another day in paradise.  Worked late last night, got to bed at 1 then met Wade at 6 at the YMCA, the whole group was going 21 as their final long run before the Houston marathon.  Wade only wanted 9 and that was OK with me.  He wanted to do three fast ones, so we started out in the 9:15 to 9:00 range for five, then did three at 8:00 to 7:50 then one cooldown.  Overall 9.00 miles in 1:20:08, average pace 8:56 per mile. I was showing very low heart rates (157, 153 and 146 for the three fast miles), but I don't think that is correct unless I'm a lot better than I was a week ago.  Possible I suppose after running almost nothing this week, but not likely, especially since it went down instead of up.  I felt lousy getting out of bed this morning but much better after I ran.  I should run more often.

Got my work out last night so hopefully things will be a little more reasonable that way and I can get back into a rhythm next week.  It has been a week, time to get going.  I may go back to Argentina a week from tomorrow, so it may be hard to maintain a schedule for a while.

Happy weekend all.

Comments
From PRE on Sat, Jan 08, 2011 at 19:08:18 from 99.50.214.225

I did 12 today at average of 9:00 pace per mile. Mile 4-9 done at exactly 143 bpm...no fluctuation at all. I know that is not accurate. What is up with these heart monitors?

By the way, I responded to your blog question of January 6, 2010. See that blog entry.

Bed at 1 and out the door at six. That is MOTIVATING. Wish I could do that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.040.000.000.0010.04

37F, 96% humidity, wind NNE 6 mph, cloudy.  Nice brisk morning out there.  Ran 10.04 in 1:42:01, average pace 10:10 per mile, low heart rate and flat shoes.  Not a particularly good pace but no sense drawing any conclusions based on one day.  I have been dong a lot of faster running lately and neglecting the slow side.  It may be time to run almost exclusively low heart rate for a couple of months, but still thinking about that.  Legs feel fine.

Comments
From derhammer on Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:24:53 from 192.156.110.31

Good to see you getting back into it. I think you would want to keep mixing things up a bit.

From Smooth on Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 23:30:58 from 67.232.119.27

NICE run Mark! Glad you're mixing things a bit and legs feel good! :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.058.000.000.0010.05

34F, 50% humidity, wind N. 7 mph.  10.05 miles in 1:23:29, average pace 8:18 per mile, fast miles between 7:50 and 8:00 (one 8:03, two 7:45).  Tuesday night run.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.020.000.000.0010.02

28F, 56% humidity, wind N 5 mph.  Very cool out there for us coastal types.  I knew when I ran late and fast last night, followed by TexMex at 10:00, that this morning was going to be a bad run, and it did not disappoint.  Started out low heart rate and went slower and slower.  Final tally was 10.02 miles in 1:45:16, average pace 10:30 per mile, regular shoes.  This was one of the more difficult runs I remember, I was ready for it to be over from the beginning, and it never got better.  I was fully wrapped, two shirts, long pants, gloves and beanie; still, my hands were still so cold I could barely fix breakfast when I got in. 

In the process I saw the food scale sitting there (we have a houseful of food Nazis, that's why we have a scale in the kitchen) and got an idea.  Went into the bedroom, got my flat shoes and put them on the food scale, in a very sanitary fashion of course.  (Good thing Mrs. Flatlander doesn't read this blog.)  9.95 ounces (about 5 ounces each).  Then I weighed my regular shoes.  27.15 ounces (about 13.6 ounces each).  Learned a couple of things:  Turns out that shoe weight is by shoe, not by pair.  And left shoes don't weigh the same as right ones.  My left flat shoe is 4.85 and the right is 5.1.  Forgot to weigh my socks but I'm guessing they are half the weight of the flat shoes.

This all came up because I got a book in the mail yesterday, The Competitive Runner's Handbook.  (I got it not because I am competitive, but because it is supposedly chock full of answers to all the running questions one might have.)  I haven't looked at it much yet, but happened to glance at the shoe section.  They had nothing good to say about minimal shoes, said they are worth a few seconds per mile but the benefit diminishes with distance.  No, mine are worth about 20 seconds per mile at the same heart rate.  I have measured it more than once, apparently they haven't.  Hoping for better advice on other stuff.  On the other hand, Once a Runner also arrived.  Pure poetry.  I learned more by reading the first few pages than I will ever learn from a handbook.

Comments
From PRE on Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 21:27:32 from 99.50.214.225

Hey Flatlander,

Did you see my comment to you in your January 6th blog entry? I wrote it on January 8th. It references the Competitive Runner's Handbook. So glad you purchased that book. Well worth the price.

From derhammer on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:43:54 from 192.156.110.32

I have to agree with you on the shoes. I just feel faster in my Kinvara's - it is hard to run slow in them. The transition is so much faster than regular "big heel" shoes. Thinking about it logically one would come to the conclusion that the greater the distance the greater the benefit of lighter shoes. A marathon is over 40,000 steps - in your case that is almost a 1 lb more attached to your feet over 40,000 steps - seems that would wear your legs over that distance more a 5k. Once caveat, of course, is that one would need to do most of his/her training miles in the lighter shoes so that the legs are built up to handle the impact of 40,000 + steps with less cushioning.

Thanks for the tip on the book - I just sent it to my Kindle.

From flatlander on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 16:00:10 from 198.207.244.102

PRE, yes, it must have been your suggestion, thanks. It should be a good resource, interesting how I have formed so many running opinions in 2-1/2 years of doing this.

David, you think like I do. I never want to be just told something, there needs to be an explanation. I like yours better than theirs. Definitely have to build up to minimal shoes though.

From saamijeff on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 23:18:17 from 66.230.114.250

A good estimate is 2 seconds/mile per excess pound. Maybe a little more because it is far from center of gravity. So worth a minute over a marathon. Many of us carry quite a few extra pounds. Better than chahging shoes would be to get down to optimal weight well before a race. Losing that extra 5 or 10 pounds really makes a big difference in a long race.

From derhammer on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:11:40 from 192.156.110.34

I just had this discussion with a running partner on what is optimal weight? I know when I was around 162-163 I felt weak. (I'm 5'11") After strength training and proper nutrition I am up to about 168. Though I am 5 lbs heavier I feel much stronger and am able to hold my pace longer during runs. I think losing weight, as well as comparing ourselves to elites, can be a trap us runners get ourselves into. Next time at a marathon look at runners coming in at 2:40 - 3:00 - they are all shapes, sizes, and body compositions. It is probably a better idea to go for body fat loss than overall weight loss. But doing so during hard training can be hard on your body by not fueling correctly. I think the most enlightening thing I have read on this subject is Chapter 6 of this book: "http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Nutrition-Endurance-Athletes-Monique/dp/1931382964/ref=dp_ob_title_bk"

Every endurance athlete needs this book, IMO. In the end, each individual must find his/her own optimal racing weight. I completely agree that excess weight will make a huge difference during a race. The challenge becomes finding that "optimal" weight and then achieving it.

From saamijeff on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 18:18:19 from 66.230.114.250

I agree completely. That is why I did not assign a value to "optimal" and suggested getting there well before a race. I have run into glycogen shortfall/dehydration issues when I have run high mileage and tried to lose weight. Or run more than 45 minutes every other day when I was actively on a weight loss program.

Anymore I find that as long as I run 50+ miles a week all these things tend to take care of tthemselves. Now injury makes for a far different beast.....

From flatlander on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 19:54:59 from 76.31.26.153

Interesting discussion. I sometimes tell people that if I weighed the same as I did 4,000 miles ago I am not sure I would be any faster. Sometimes I think it is all about weight loss. That isn't true, of course, but it is a big factor that is often overlooked. I agree you definitely can't hurry it, just eating sensibly and pushing away from the table a tad early does wonders, but it takes a while.

From derhammer on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 22:46:46 from 24.28.82.222

Flat - I went through a v02/max and body comp testing at UT twice. I would need to dig out the paperwork for exact numbers, but there was a column with a calculation as it pertains to body fat percentage. It showed how much faster I would be able to run in relationship to a % of body fat loss. I don't know what their formulas are, however, there is a direct correlation between running performance and body fat. So you are right in saying that it is a big part of the equation. Once you get to a certain point though - in my case 10% bf - I think it is harder to see gains as you then risk loosing muscle trying to lose that extra % or 2 of bf. If I find those numbers from the UT testing I will post them. Sorry to hijack your post! :-)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.008.010.000.0010.01

32F, 24F wind chill, 50% humidity, wind NE 9 mph.  Still very cold by our standards but runnable.  I came very close to skipping this run because I was still hung over from yesterday's modest but painful effort.  But went out anyway, was in a hurry due to work deadlines so ran it fast.  Happily the aches and pains faded as soon as I got warmed up and the run went fine, albeit somewhat difficult.  10.01 miles in 1:20:34, average pace 8:03 per mile, flat shoes.  Left the heart rate monitor at home, it doesn't work very well at this temperature, but I was working hard.  Ran 2 slow then 8 fast.  The fast miles averaged 7:38, slowest right at 8:00 (mile 3) and down to 7:27 for miles 5 and 6.  Then I started running out of gas so I let my pace drift by about 15 seconds per mile and managed to finish the last 4 OK, never went over 7:45.  Probably harder than it should have been.  It was a 10K effort but not really 10K speed.  But it was what I had to give today, and I was glad I did.

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From PRE on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 21:27:16 from 99.50.214.225

You did a great job running that many miles at what I consider a great pace - and this a run you were considering skipping. I would love to be able to run that fast.

From lightitup on Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 21:32:36 from 166.205.9.59

Wow!

From SlowJoe on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 01:50:38 from 89.211.58.141

Definitely the kind of run that makes you faster, I think. Nice going.

From Rye on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 15:09:15 from 174.27.73.180

Great run! Your fitness is evident in your times!

From flatlander on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 19:48:09 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks guys, been kind of a funky week with no good reason, appreciate the support.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.270.000.000.0010.27

38F, 50% humidity, wind SE at 3 mph.  Very good running weather today, but I wasn't a good runner today.  Went 10.27 miles in 1:48:05, average pace 10:32 per mile, low heart rate and flat shoes, quite a bit slower than a normal run under these conditions.  Maybe I was still worn out from yesterday, but I didn't feel like it.  It was OK though, I enjoyed the run and felt fine when I was done. 

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From allie on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 19:52:30 from 174.23.123.195

nice weather, and way to run -- slower runs are good sometimes (all the time for me lately)

From Burt on Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 23:13:19 from 72.223.84.236

50 miles on the week already? Dang! (am I allowed to say that on your blog?)

From flatlander on Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 17:41:59 from 76.31.26.153

Allie, must be something about this time of year, but it's slow, slow, slow right now.

Burt, yep.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.590.000.000.0015.59

44F, 85% humidity, wind ENE 6 mph, rainy.  Very nice running weather, but slow again for the second day in a row.  Ran the same route as yesterday, 10.29 in 1:48:46, average pace 10:34 per mile, flat shoes, so even slower.  Not sure what is going on but not panicking just yet. 

Then in the afternoon I ran in a church-sponsored 5K.  The teenagers are getting ready for a 3-day trek in March to commemorate our pioneer heritage, so today there was a 5K run/walk organized to help certain of them know that they needed to get into shape.  Altogether there were 230 runners, very nice turnout.  My friend Wade organized it and did a great job.  As I told him, I have paid quite a bit of money for races that were not organized as well as this one, and this one was free.  Everyone at church today was talking about what a blast they had and lobbying to repeat it next year.  Isn't running great?

My daughter-in-law came out from downtown to run it and to support the trek preparations, so we ended up running together, had a great time, very nice of her to come out.  I ran some more miles before the race, then 2.8 for the "5K", then went back out to bring in my daughter who was walking it with some friends.  She didn't seem too embarrassed to have a parent show up with bony knees and long white socks (just kidding about the socks, the knees are no kidding).  I even convinced them to run a little bit, so altogether I ran about another 5.3 miles, total of 15.59 for the day.  It was a good day to take it easy, as my Achilles was hurting by the end of the day.  It feels better today, probably going to be OK if I don't do anything overly stupid -- not that I won't.

Then, we drove to Kingwood and met Smooth and her daughter for a nice evening at a pretty good local restaurant.  Compared a lot of notes and talked a lot of family background and a lot of running.  It was a great time, glad to meet another blogger.  Thanks Smooth (and your daughter) for taking the time to meet us!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.890.003.500.0012.39

48F, 93% humidity, calm, foggy and misting rain.  This is very good running weather.  I got almost 8 hours of sleep and felt much better this morning.  Ran the first half at low heart rate, averaging about 9:55 per mile or so, almost back in my zone.  Then the goal was to run two sets of 2 at 6:30, but I wasn't strong enough to pull that off.  I ran one at 6:59 and felt pretty trashed.  Ran a recovery mile, then did 1.5 at 6:55, a little better.  Ran another recovery mile then another fast mile at 7:00.  On this one I felt like I was able to get into a smoother, more relaxed rhythm, even though it was still difficult.  Then jogged it in.  Overall 12.39 miles in 1:52:03, average pace 9:03 per mile.

I ran across some references over the weekend to age group All-Americans, got curious and looked it up.  Turns out the standards are ridiculously loose, I have already met all of them for 5K through marathon for the road racer category and I am an average runner.  Inexplicably, they are much tighter for the track category (18:25 and 39:00 for my age group).  But in the process I found out that there are standards for national ranking by age group.  For my group they are:   5K: 18:20 (5:54); 10K: 39:30 (6:22);  half: 1:27 (6:38); and full: 3:00 (6:52).  Those are worthy goals and a significant accomplishment for any 55-year old who can do it.  To put things in perspective, this morning I ran 2.4K at a pace slightly slower than target pace for a 3-hour marathon.  Hard to believe there are old guys running around that fast out there.  They must be wearing very short shorts and doing yoga.

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From derhammer on Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 21:51:12 from 12.50.125.163

Some people just have natural ability. We have a 60 year old in our group who runs 3:25's on 3 to 4 days a week running and Pilates on the other days. Go figure.

From Kelli on Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 22:52:40 from 71.219.84.215

Those are some very interesting facts! I do not even want to know what I *should* be running, I prefer to remain oblivious to that!

From Stephen on Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:16:24 from 204.182.3.235

That's my problem. My shorts are too long!

From SlowJoe on Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:59:51 from 184.79.24.255

Nice running - you have rocketed to the top of your age group pretty fast. Don't know about those crazy track standards, I would feel proud just to someday get those in my 30s.

From flatlander on Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 16:25:21 from 198.207.244.102

David, pilates, that is almost yoga!

I agree, I'm almost sorry I looked it up. The "All American" thing is particularly lame.

Stephen, you should have asked me, I could have provided you some much-needed fashion advice.

Joe, something to file away. Maybe someday I might hit one of those times, but most likely not. Are you back yet? Never mind, I just peeked at your blog. Welcome back, soldier.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.220.000.000.0012.22

51F, 96% humidity, calm.  12.22 miles in 2:04:58, 10:14 per mile, low heart rate and flat shoes.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.135.002.000.0012.13

37F, 100% humidity, calm and clear.  Beautiful morning with almost a full moon and Saturn (or whatever it is) still hanging around at dawn, mid-sky in the south.  I bundled up but didn't need to.  Even though we had high humidity it felt warmer than yesterday because it wasn't raining or getting ready to rain.  For the first leg I had only 70 minutes to run, so I did 3 at low heart rate, one transition mile at old marathon pace (8:46), then two fast ones, 7:08 (166) and 6:53 (176).  Then jogged in for a mile and had to make a seminary run to pick up my daughter.  After getting her home I went out for five more, one warmup mile and four at progressive pace, 8:10 (155), 7:52 (162), 7:43 (166), and 7:33 (172).  Last one was harder than it should have been but that is the story lately, interesting that my heart rate for the 7:33 mile was about the same as for the 6:53 mile.  I think it takes the heart a while to get up to speed.  Overall I ran 12.13 miles in 1:46:22, average pace 8:46 per mile, flat shoes.  Good run, but don't know where my best speed went.  I did a 6:34 mile on November 22, less than two weeks after a marathon.  Maybe I have been gaining weight, but I am afraid to check it.

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From Smooth on Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 09:23:26 from 74.211.25.43

Mark,

NICE run! You are getting faster even though your best speed didn't show up. It is evidence in your cardiac fitness! The heart is getting comfortable running in the 6 pace! The fact that you are running a lot of daily miles is another indicator that you are training the muscles to run longer at LT pace. Impressive!

The full moon has been beautiful, a nice treat for early dawn running!

Please say hello to Marlene for me! :)

From flatlander on Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 16:14:36 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks for the encouragement, I'll definitely tell her you checked in.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.160.000.000.0012.16

53F, 93% humidity, calm and cloudy.  Temperature dropping all day today, but running this morning was very comfortable.  Ran 12.16 miles in 2:07:42, average pace 10:30 per mile, low heart rate and regular shoes.  Compares to a similar run last week in regular shoes.  Also had a run in this range last week in flat shoes, so looks like I am definitely slower all of a sudden across all heart rate zones, no idea why.  I got on the scales expecting to see 5 extra pounds but it wasn't there.  Has to be something else, but hopefully it won't last long.  My liver is probably regrouping or something.  (Does that sound bad?)

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From derhammer on Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 16:49:41 from 192.156.110.34

I have found this to be the case after running a marathon - for me it takes a few weeks to get back to normal. Seems logical that if the heart is a muscle - organ that it will take time to recover as well as the rest of the body. If your leg muscles develop micro tears why wouldn't the heart? I would have to ask heart specialist because I certainly don't know the answer. You did 3 marathons in a relatively short amount of time, plus all of the hard training. Maybe your body is still repairing itself?

From lightitup on Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 17:01:39 from 71.37.143.96

Your brothers and I have been talking about how you never really get injured. 3-14 days out and you are back at it. As to the above, ditto derhammer. (that could turn out to be quite the ditty...ditto derhammer, but I don't know this person, so I think my lawyer would recommend I not pursue this line of obnoxiousness)

From Preston Tatum on Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 17:39:49 from 67.79.11.242

Hey, it's me again. Looks like you're putting in some good long slower miles. I was thinking about flipping my workouts next week and running my long runs slow (130-135 HR) and running my shorter runs really fast (well, fast for me haha). I may even go to the track and do some interval training. Keep up the good work you're inspiring me...I signed up for a Half Marathon in Austin on Feb. 20th.

From Smooth on Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 09:40:00 from 74.211.25.43

You analyze it too much! Not all runs are stellar runs! The body does it's own thing to adjust to training. You will see it wants to naturally take a step back week to recover. A marathon takes a lot out of you, especially one you PR'd in. It is during slower runs or rest days that the body improves. The weeks following a break thru marathon ( and you've had TWO consecutive ones back to back) is tricky b/c the brain remembers the peak performance while the body is still in recovery mode.

Btw, liver regrouping sounds horrible, have you had one too many? Last I remember you decline to even look at the wine list at Chimichurri! :)

From flatlander on Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 16:22:11 from 198.207.244.102

DH, that is an interesting theory, makes sense. Problem is it must be really hard to check it. I'll check with my brother in law and see if he has a view on that. By the way, let me introduce you to lightitup, my sister, a good runner. E, this is David, a dedicated runner and one of the more knowledgeable people on the blog. Now you "know this person".

Preston, that half is coming right up. How do you like to taper for those? I have only run one at full speed and I didn't do anything special as I recall. I'll probably run a half in Beaumon in March.

Smooth, good advice about bodies seeking their own adjustments. Kind of weird when you think about it. We do all of these technical things to help one thing or another in our training, but all the real work is done on autopilot deep in the brain somewhere. My liver feels a lot better today, thank you.

From derhammer on Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 20:10:04 from 24.28.82.222

Hi lightitup, it's a pleasure meeting you.

From Preston Tatum on Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 21:05:59 from 166.205.15.104

I've never run a Half before...only 3 5K's. Haven't really thought about any changes, I'd take any suggestions you have.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.020.000.000.0012.02

29F, 21F wind chill, 74% humidity,couldy and wind N 8 mph.  Cold, but predicted winds were 20-30 mph, so could have been much worse.  Usually the wind dies out some by the time it gets this far south.  Did a full wrap and wasn't that cold except for my fingers, which were like 10 popsicles by the time I finished.  Wimpy I know, but the cloth gloves were not doing it for this southern runner.  It has cleared up now and I think it will be even colder tomorrow, but probably no wind.  I ran 12.02 miles in 2:02:06, average pace 10:10 per mile, low heart rate and flat shoes.  Got 4 in a row under 10 so a little better.

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From SlowJoe on Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 17:11:40 from 184.79.24.255

The cold + the wind makes it unpleasant, for sure. Then you turn downwind and sweat buckets. Gives me something to complain about at least. Glad the HR run went better today.

From rockness18 on Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 23:12:35 from 75.11.48.90

Wow...you're getting Northeastern weather! Nice job.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.060.000.000.0020.06

26F, 81% humidity, wind NW 2 mph, clear and cold.  Bright moon, waning but almost full, gorgeous morning for a run.  Bundled up double wrap and was on the road before 5.  Met Wade at his house, ran down to the Y and joined them for 4 of their 8 miles (most of them are running the Houston Marathon in a week) before breaking off and heading home.  I left Wade at his house and ran a few more to get 20, last 4 were 8:47, 8:37, 8:25 and 7:41, 20.06 miles altogether, 2:58:23, average pace 8:54 per mile, flat shoes.  Felt good to run in the brisk weather this morning, but not nearly as good as the big breakfast and hot shower afterward.  No ice bath for this runner.  Breakfast was 4 glasses of of grapefruit juice, one calcium pill, one piece of toast with peanut butter, one glass of chocolate milk, 1/3 cup of whole wheat boiled (with 1% milk, brown sugar and blueberries), and one egg (cooked Sunnyside up in honor of allie).  No wonder I'm not losing any weight.

Wade had a good week.  He has been in search mode for 6 months and got a job on Thursday.  CFO of a start-up oilfield tool company, gets to keep his old salary and has a ton of upside as the company grows, and he is staying in Houston so I'm not losing a running buddy.  Plus he is getting some running speed back, he has almost caught back up to me all of a sudden, which makes sense -- he was faster than me in high school and he is 7 or 8 years younger than me.  He announces his new job on Wednesday.  Would have qualified for a nice severance package (about 3 months of salary) if he waited two more weeks to announce.  His wife asked him why he couldn't wait to announce and he said he didn't feel right taking severance from his old company when he already had a job.  He was a Mormon bishop for five years and I would say he was flying his colors high this week.  Not sure I would have come out the same way as he did, but I have complete respect for a decision like that.  So many people I deal with are fun to be around in most circumstances but they behave differently when money is involved.  It is an honor to count Wade as a friend.

In contrast to Wade, I found a $1 bill by the side of the trail this morning.  I think I spotted it first because I have the poorest running form, always looking at the ground.  Caused a 15-runner pile-up while I stopped to scoop it up and do a victory dance.  I'm not in Burt's league, but it's a start.

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From Preston Tatum on Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 13:38:20 from 166.205.12.221

Sounds like you guy have a lot of fun and fellowship running together! Congratulating on your find! Just think if find a dollar a day you will be a Millionare 2,740 years!

From derhammer on Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:53:38 from 192.156.110.40

Nice run, Flat. Do you have a fuel belt for water? Just curious as what you do for hydration on your 20 mile runs.

From flatlander on Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:36:39 from 76.31.26.153

Preston, thanks for the math help! I think if I run enough miles I just may live that long.

DH, funny you should ask. I took one quick swig down at the Y when we were connecting with the rest of the group and never thought about it till I got home. Then it was like "Uh oh", that probably wasn't good. When it is cold and dark I just don't feel much need for a drink -- not true of course, but it doesn't seem like I did much damage.

From derhammer on Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 17:44:07 from 192.156.110.40

You're crazy - no water and no nutrition along the way either. No wonder you were hungry when you got home - you had just burned through 2,000 plus calories. Pigging out was the right thing to do. :-)

Hey, are you going to go watch Ryan Hall race this weekend?

From flatlander on Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 16:02:06 from 198.207.244.102

DH, hadn't thought about it. Don't know if I want to battle all the traffic or not, but maybe I shouldn't pass up the opportunity, or maybe it will be on TV.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.130.000.000.0014.13

46F, 100% humidity, wind NE 8 mph, rain.  Actually turned out to be pretty good running weather.  It looked awful when I anxiously peeked out the window dark and early for a preview, but once I got my feet wet (literally) it was fine, wind wasn't too bad and it was just warm enough to leave gloves at home.  I intended to do only 10 but felt good and had the time so I kept going.  Plus I thought I would be traveling later this week, but that just got cancelled.  Ran 14.13 miles in 2:21:25, average pace 10:01 per mile, low heart rate.  I had a 9:54 average pace through 10, after that the miles started catching up with me but I never got slower than 10:15.  My LHR pace is gradually getting faster again, still not my best but improving, legs felt strong today.

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From Burt on Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:39:23 from 206.19.214.144

Nice flatty.

From Preston Tatum on Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:02:12 from 67.79.11.242

Looks like we're on pretty much the same track of running...keep up the good work...you're inspiring me..

Preston

From SlowJoe on Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 13:30:45 from 184.79.24.255

Nothing like following up a 20-miler with 14 on a Monday!

From Rye on Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 23:07:10 from 174.27.126.197

Great run flat! I am jealous of that Texas weather!

From flatlander on Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 15:55:34 from 198.207.244.102

Burt, thanks, I've really been missing the desert since I saw those photos.

Preston, I doubt it, you are quite a bit faster than me. Your training is looking great right now.

Joe, I didn't really run the 20 that hard and today certainly wasn't hard. I was a little stiff though.

Rye, I guess I shouldn't complain, huh? Even rain and wind in the mid-40s is a lot better than yours.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.026.000.000.0012.02

46F, 87% humidity, wind NNW 8 mph, blustery and clearing.  Finally saw the moon and it was dry out there.  Felt pretty stiff from yesterday, even though it was a slow run, but no injuries, so I felt pretty much OK from the beginning today.  Turned out to be a good run.  I planned to run 5 at low heart rate, then six at GMP (7:30) then cool down one.  When I woke up my mojo failed me and I decided to go for 4 fast miles, because I have been having trouble hitting 7:30 lately.  The slow miles were uneventful except for one incident with a small dog.  at 4.75 miles I sped up and hit my stride going into mile 6.  The speed felt hard but not overwhelming and I thought maybe 6 wouldn't be so bad after all.  7:38 (156), 7:18 (163), 7:21 (167), 7:21 (170), 7:16 (173) and 7:18 (175), average 7:22 for the 6 fast ones.  I let up on the gas pedal a little bit because I want to run some more fast miles this week.  Wade and I have decided to run a half in Beaumont on the second Saturday in March.  My nephew, his wife and her father (who is from Beaumont) are also going to run it.  Original plan was to run 7:30 pace but now I think it might be possible to go faster.  One morning doesn't make a race, but today was a good omen.

OK, about this dog.  Some 8-year old girl accidentally let him out the front door and he was relentless.  Very small but wouldn't go away.  She was out there trying to chase him in a house coat, crying in the cold.  I didn't know what to do, so I just stood there while the drama played out.  Not a good situation, but I don't want to be bitten no matter how small the dog.  This one definitely wanted a piece of me and the girl knew it.  I have no idea why this poor girl's parents didn't come out and resolve the situation, some people have no manners.  But it was a small price to pay for a good run.

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From lightitup on Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:42:06 from 71.37.143.96

Sorry about the little girl, sounds so sad. But Big Phat Smile over your speed. It seems it has come back.

From Preston Tatum on Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:48:18 from 67.79.11.242

Sounds like you had a really good run...! I wish I could keep my heart rate up there for that peroid of time...you're the flatlander, maybe I should call myself flatliner...Preston

From SlowJoe on Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 14:59:51 from 184.79.24.255

Great run there, I'd bet money you'll be solidly under 7:30 avg for that race.

From Rye on Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 17:57:55 from 75.167.170.183

Hey flat... this is a blog...you could have wrote "a large, mean, and angry Pit Bull dog came out after me and tore my running pants into shreds....." wait, that wouldn't work....you run in Texas...shorts 12 months out of the year! Nice miles this week!

From derhammer on Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:30:34 from 65.67.40.73

Good run, flat. You always have adventures on your runs.

There is a bend in a road I always run and I have seen a skunk scurrying about on a few occasions. I am worried he will get me one day. Hmmm..not sure what would be worse, a dog bite or skunk spray. Glad you ecscaped unharmed.

Rye, it was 32 degrees this morning and I actually wore my tights. Maybe I am getting weak. :-)

From Preston Tatum on Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:38:46 from 67.79.11.242

I acutally wear tights if it's below 60 degrees...I'd wear a parka when it's 32 degrees, if I had one..!

From flatlander on Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:01:11 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks E. Some of it at least, but to put things in perspective I ran a 10K at 7:07 back in November at about the same temperature.

PT, not too late to change your name! As Rye says, it's a blog, you can be anything!

Joe, we'll see. Not sure what I'm going through right now but I feel like I'm making progress so I'll keep at it.

Rye, actually saw a loose pit bull one morning. Luckily he didn't bother me.

DH, hoping to never see a skunk report, let's stick with dogs.

From Preston Tatum on Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:09:42 from 67.79.11.242

You know...you're probably right. I just found the Blog and logged in without much thought...Just Like I Run...! I'll try to come up with something more interesting to entertain you guys...HaHa

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.070.004.000.0012.07

33F, 88% humidity and calm.  Very nice morning but a little cold on my sensitive Texas skin.  I got out early, eager to run some more fast miles.  The plan was to do 2x2 miles at 7:00.  Didn't make it.  7:15 was the best I could do.  I could feel stiffness in my inner thigh that stayed around after the run.  Probably OK but not the best situation -- that probably held me back some, but this speed felt very, very fast today.  Results were 7:15 (161), 7:13 (169), one slow mile, then 7:15 (166) and 7:14 (172).  The last one felt particularly fast but it was the same.  Overall 12.07 miles in 1:49:38, average 9:05 per mile.  I think to some extent I had hangover from yesterday, legs just weren't quite as strong.  It's OK though, training is not a linear process.

I ordered some new Jingas (the flat shoes I wear almost all the time now, they are made in Brazil but shipped from England) a few weeks ago.  They haven't arrived so I finally sent this message:

"Would much appreciate a status update.  The tracking system says my order was despatched on January 6 and shoes mailed on January 7, now "winging their way toward me", but there has been no landing and no further information.  Even a corked bottle launched from Liverpool would have arrived by now.  Would appreciate knowing when the airplane is expected to run out of fuel and land."

They wrote back immediately with a long, customized and detailed explanation.  It was like I am their only customer.  Something goes wrong with every order:  missing shoelaces, wrong size and now this.  But they are so charming and quirky that I can't get mad, and they always fix it.  So if you want some flat shoes and a little bit of adventure, order Jingas.  They are on sale through January for 30 Pounds Sterling, plus "shipping". 

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From Kelli on Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:41:19 from 71.219.84.215

HOLY CRUD!!!! Those are some fast miles you are doing, very impressive!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.070.000.000.0012.07

38F, 88% humidity, wind W 5 mph.  Thought it was going to feel colder than it did.  38 is my new 48.  Ran 12.07 in 1:59:41 average pace 9:55 per mile, low heart rate and flat shoes.  Original plan was to do 3 fast days this week but I was a little worried about my right achilles and heel which have been acting up somewhat the last couple of days, so I took it easy today and will probably do the same for the rest of the week.  Despite some tired legs, all of my splits were under 10 except for the first (10:31) and the last (10:00), so continuing to improve at the low end, still not back to my 9:30 days but that is coming.  My best ever slow run was 9:42 per mile back on December 1.  It was 28F that morning, so the cold isn't the issue.  Anyway, feeling good but gotta go, can't hang around to chat.

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From SlowJoe on Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 22:05:28 from 98.200.237.200

Wow 50 miles already. I waved in your general direction as we drove down 290 today.

From Mack on Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:59:07 from 71.111.188.189

Nice run Flat. That sounds frigid for south Texas! (Cypress is south Texas isn't it?)

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Whiffed on the run this morning.  Got on a call at midnight last night, people from Taiwan, Beijing, Singapore, France and U.S., all speaking bad English (but better than my French or Chinese) for 4 hours talking about arcane West African accounting rules -- got to bed just in time to turn off my alarm.  That was fun.  Honestly, I probably need a day off anyway.

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From Mack on Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 13:25:40 from 71.111.188.189

I thought there could be nothing worse than arcane accounting rules in English. Now I know otherwise. Enjoy the day off, you've earned it!

From Burt on Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 13:26:33 from 206.19.214.144

Haha! I mean. Sorry about that.

From flatlander on Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 14:12:47 from 198.207.244.102

Mack, the phone connection was also bad, miserable night.

Burt, you captured it. Made me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

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20.070.000.000.0020.07

52F, humidity 82%, wind SW 5 mph.  Really nice running weather, felt good to run without the usual accoutrements.  I had to be somewhere at 8:00 so I was out the door at 4:30, kind of funny, my alarm clock went off this morning at almost exactly the same time I went to bed Friday morning.  It's one advantage I have being old, sleep is optional.  The plan was to run 20 at 9:00.  First mile was 9:21, so I sped up and the second was 8:34, and I mostly left it there for the rest of the run, dipped into the 8:20s a couple of times toward the end.  I ended up running 20.07 in 2:54:01, average pace 8:40, flat shoes.  Heart rate never broke 160 and it was below 150 most of the run until I sped up a little bit toward the end.  Legs were quite sore and still are, but no particular stress otherwise.  This was basically my marathon pace going into Richmond, so I am improving.

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From I Just Run on Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 14:41:12 from 166.205.12.47

Haven't been tracking you for long, since I'm new to the Blog, but it seems you are doing exceptionally well! I think need to follow your lead and find my comfortable pace a little more. Thanks for being my friend on the Blog

From Kelli on Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:48:36 from 71.219.84.215

YEAH!!! That is a great run, so happy for you. It is nice to see those improvements just creep in on you!

Now, I was not aware that sleep was optional. I get little to no quality sleep ever, but I feel it! I guess I need to tack on a few more years to when it becomes optional!

Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

From rockness18 on Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 20:52:21 from 75.11.48.90

Great run and yet another nice week of mileage!

From Mack on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 01:21:34 from 71.111.188.189

You are truly an animal, flat. I can't believe the way you just crank out the miles. It just seems like it is effortless for you. Nice job. Very inspiring!

From Stephen on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:19:25 from 204.182.3.235

You are incredible!

From flatlander on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:09:53 from 76.31.26.153

Preston, thanks! It's great to have another "local" on here.

Kelli, I tell myself it is optional, but I seem to be capable of a pretty long snooze when I get the chance.

Thanks Rockness, here's hoping for a little bit better weather up your way.

Mack, thanks. Hope all is going well out there. It's great having you on the blog.

Thanks bro! What are you up to lately running-wise?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.100.000.000.0012.10

56F, 93% humidity, gathering clouds but calm.  Good running weather.  Ran 4 then did the seminary run, then 4 more then a second GI break then 4 more.  So overall speed was down, but I was slower this morning no matter how you cut it.  I ran 12.10 miles in 2:03:02, average pace 10:10 per mile, flat shoes.  Too much rich food over the weekend.  But it was a fun weekend meeting bloggers and monitoring their races.   My daughter-in-law's bosses were a sponsor of the half marathon, so she and my son drew duty at one of the stations.  They passed out water and Gatorade, but my daughter-in-law was also in charge of the music and organizing cheers.  Her bosses were so impressed they promised a raise.  We'll see if that holds up today as they are recovering from their hangovers.

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From I Just Run on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:53:44 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Flatlander,

I'm sure you've expained the "Flat" shoes before, but I guess I haven't been following you long enough. Do you mind giving me a quick explanation? The curiousity is killing me...!

BTW...good run...keep it up...!

From flatlander on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:05:00 from 76.31.26.153

Preston, the technical term is "zero lift" shoes, I believe. I went into a running store one day and asked for "racing flats", which was a mistake. Racing flats are lighter shoes, but they have heels on them and ankle support. He laughed at me when he finally figured out what I wanted, said nobody wears those. So I buy them from Jinga, an outfit in Brazil with an English distributor. They don't last very long, a few hundred miles and they get holes in them, but I like them so I just ordered my third pair. I'll post a picture when they come in, but basically they are moccasins with a hard sole that is thin but flexible. They run in the 4.5 to 5 oz range. I had to work into them gradually. I run almost exclusively in them now, but I have been at it for a year. I have fewer injuries this way, but they are definitely an acquired taste.

From I Just Run on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:16:38 from 67.79.11.242

That's funny...when I went and bought my last shoes I opted for a heaver pair even though the salesman kept showing me some really light weight shoes. The light weight shoes just felt funny...I wasn't used to having shoes that felt like that. I think next time I will force myself to buy a lighter pair.

Thanks....now I know how to use the "Flat" jokes...

From derhammer on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 13:20:47 from 192.156.110.31

Nice run, Flat. Looks like some cold weather is coming - not sure if it is going to make it to Houston or not.

From SlowJoe on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 18:46:46 from 184.79.24.255

Hopefully a nice cleansing run for you!

The music and entertainment along that race were awesome, quite an experience.

From Rye on Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 20:37:28 from 174.27.103.253

Seems like a lot of us experience the rich food thing over the weekend. The run this morning.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.400.000.000.0010.40

66F, 94% humidity, wind S 13-20 mph.  Almost summertime temperatures.  Ran 4.44 miles at low heart rate (regular shoes), then came back in to do the seminary run.

After dropping my daughter off, the car thermometer read-out headed south.  It went from 66 to 41 in about 10 minutes, first time I have seen anything like that.  By the time I got back in my neighborhood the wind was rocking my vehicle and there was lightning and thunder, so I wimped out and went to the clubhouse, waited around for the only treadmill that was working, settled for 1 mile on the elliptical.  Finally the treadmill opened up and I got two more miles on it at low heart rate, then my phone rang and my daughter's ride home had fallen through. Back to pick her up.

By this time the weather had calmed down, 42F, 100% humidity, wind NW 16-30, so I put on beanie and gloves, went back out and ran 3 more in the 8:30 to 9:00 range, frankly it felt better than the slow miles earlier.  Total miles on my Garmin were 7.40 in 1:13, 9:54 pace.  Adding 3 for the clubhouse miles, so a total of 10.40.  Then back to the house to take my daughter to the bus stop, too cold to have the little darling wait in the wind.  Let's see, I was out there in shorts, something wrong here.  At that point I called it a day.

My legs and feet hurt all day yesterday, got worse as the day wore on, I figured I had an injury.  The good news this morning is that all seems well.  We are bracing for some serious winter weather here in the next few days.  I know, I know, everybody else already has it.

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From I Just Run on Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 10:04:21 from 67.79.11.242

Hi Flatlander,

Looks like you had an eventful day already. You must be up about 2:00 am to get all of this done. I was planning on running on the road this morning but at 2:30 the norther blew in and woke me up, I couldn't really get back to sleep so at 5:00 I got up and went to the gym. Hope your day smoothes out a little!

From derhammer on Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 10:23:19 from 192.156.110.32

That is about the craziest run I think I have read about. :-) At least you got your miles in! Yes, the next few days look fun indeed.

From Stephen on Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 10:25:51 from 204.182.3.235

It was 20 degrees here this morning. My toes froze together and my fingers went numb under my gloves as I rode my bike. No running for me until my foot is all better. It's really too cold for bike riding too.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 14:25:23 from 184.79.24.255

Yikes, good luck running the next few days, hope it is at least slightly more reasonable in Houston and doesn't get too ugly.

From Burt on Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 23:22:05 from 206.213.44.111

Mother Nature got mad at you.

From flatlander on Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 12:23:30 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, thanks, it stayed crazy all day, didn't get to bed until after midnight, it was a miracle I ran this morning.

David, after a couple of "dry runs" in this weather, we get to do it all over again in the snow/sleet, if you believe the weatherman.

Stephen, I can't imagine being out on a bike in this weather. The typical bikers in my neighborhood were nowhere to be seen this morning.

SJ, I'm sure it's not as ugly as it is up there. You have snow I presume?

Burt, she's always mad at me. You would think we were married.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.078.000.000.0010.07

19F, 62% humidity, wind NNW 12 mph, 7F wind chill, partly cloudy.  It was already 21F when I went to bed last night, so this could have been worse.  With lower than usual humidity it didn't turn out to be all that bad.  Certainly the cold was a distraction, and it was tough running against the wind, but perhaps two shirts and a pullover were a little much?  Had to shed the pullover after 2 miles.  I considered passing on this run because I was afraid that frost bite would ruin my complexion.  But I'm glad I went out there, and I'm happy to report that I look the same, for better or worse.  Wind chill-wise, this is the lowest temperature I remember for a couple of decades, and it will be similar tomorrow morning.

The objective was to get this over as soon as possible, so I "warmed up" as fast as I could, 9:13 and 8:13, then hit mid-7s plus a little for the rest of the run, 7:42, 7:34, 7:34, 7:28, 7:33, 7:30, 7:35 and 7:29.  I figured it was useless to try to get a heart rate reading, but as it turned out I was sweating enough I could have done it.  I am estimating 165-175 for the 8 hard ones, but not sure.  Total distance 10.07 in 1:18:37, average pace 7:48 and flat shoes.

Speaking of which, here they are:

 

This is my first pair of flat shoes and they are just about done after about 500 miles.  (Regular shoes still going strong after a couple of thousand miles.)  Most of the wear is on the outside ball, which is generally correct I think.  But the right foot has a hole in that spot and the left foot still has a little bit of tread.  I wonder if I am striking unevenly.  I don't have a coach, but it would be interesting if I could find somebody really good who could take my stride apart and put it together again.

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From I Just Run on Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 12:26:53 from 67.79.11.242

You're obviously not a "Texan"...a true Texan couldn't endure running in 19 degree weather...! I ran the other day when it was 29, had 3 or 4 layers of clothes on and still froze to death. The next day I taped hand warmers on the top of both shoes and put one in each glove...I still froze to death. I'm obviously a true Texan and a fair weather runner....Or maybe it's the flat shoes that make you invincible...!

From Kelli on Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 21:55:36 from 71.219.84.215

JUST ABOUT DONE? I see holes, doesn't that mean DONE???

Nice run, stay warm!

From derhammer on Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:47:31 from 192.156.110.31

First off, nice run.

You are definitely a supinator like me. I tend to wear the outer corners out though, not all the way up the shoe like you do. I am sure you can find someone who does biomechanical analysis in Houston, if you are so inclined. I have gone through one on found it to be quite helpful.

From Rye on Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 16:42:37 from 71.209.59.65

Those shoes look hammered!

From SlowJoe on Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 20:21:05 from 184.79.24.255

I would've expected your shoes to have at least 1 hole in them from overuse, very nice.

From flatlander on Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 22:43:59 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, I know I'm only an imposter, I will always be one. Nice to dream, though.

Kelli, OK, done.

David, I'll start looking, I think it would be beneficial.

Rye and Joe, my truck has a hole in it, too, I'll have to post that sometime. My kids hate it or would have sold it long ago.

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10.220.000.000.0010.22

27F, 16WC, 57% humidity, wind N12-20 mph.  Balmy.  Ran 10.22 miles in 1:47:18, average pace 10:30 per mile, regular shoes.  No heart rate data today.  Even though the wind chill was almost 10 degrees warmer than yesterday and the humidity was lower, that was the coldest I've been in a while.  Something about going slower I guess, but I had to after running hard yesterday.  I started to feel lethargic toward the end, possibly more from lack of sleep than the cold though.  Still bone dry, but snow predicted for tonight.  Wade said he'll run with me if there is snow in the morning.  If there is snow in the morning I may not run, last time I did that I practically got a concussion when I fell, probably did.  But I don't think there will be much if any.  Some of the Canadians in town are having a great time laughing at all the school closures, etc., but I tell them they don't want to be out on the road competing for freeway lanes with a bunch of rednecks with slick tires, they are better off at home.

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From I Just Run on Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 12:11:47 from 67.79.11.242

I'm afraid of those concussions too...So I've just stuck to the treadmill...!

From flatlander on Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 22:46:19 from 76.31.26.153

They are nothing to mess with, that's for sure. But I'm even more afraid of falling off a TM. They tend to make me dizzy, maybe I just need to practice more, as I hardly ever use it.

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2.168.000.000.0010.16

26F/18WC/NW 8mph/85% at start, 25F/15WC/10mph/85% at end.  Colder than yesterday, but ran it hard:  9:42, 8:12, 7:53, 7:44, 7:43, 7:39, 7:44, 7:42, 7:34 and 7:38, 10.16 miles in 1:21:00, 7:58 per mile.  The cold isn't so bad running hard, at times it felt almost good, but not quite.

The snow never materialized, of course, but instead we had ice.  There was enough moisture in the air that it put a layer of ice over everything, particularly bridges.  I left for work early and got there late because all the freeways were closed.  Over 800 wrecks in Houston today.  Roads were dry by this afternoon, but it was a good thing they cancelled school today, would have been a mess out there.  I don't care where it is, clear ice on the roads is dangerous.

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From lightitup on Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 23:01:17 from 71.37.143.96

Black ice requires special driving skills, 4WD, studs...Really, it doesn't matter, it's just dangerous. I'm glad you're okay.

From seeaprilrun on Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 10:18:54 from 68.103.248.137

Nice progression on your run! My sister in Houston said it got a little icy down there and caused some problems!

From flatlander on Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 15:59:40 from 198.207.244.102

E, thanks, hope you get back in the groove soon.

April, a little icy would be an understatement! Actually, the only ice was on bridges and overpasses, but that is the only place it needed to be. Sorry about all your cold weather.

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8.440.000.000.008.44

20F, 89% humidity, calm and clear.  It was sterling weather out there this morning, by the time we finished the sun was up -- clear, cold and calm.  With no wind the cold wasn't really noticeable.  Met the group at the Y.  They were doing their shakeout run one week out from the Houston marathon.  Forgot my Garmin (yes, it's true), but according to Wade's watch we ran 8.44 miles at about a 9:00 pace, regular shoes.  Easy run, but decided not to go out again for another loop, too much to do today.

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From SlowJoe on Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 16:24:18 from 184.79.24.255

Nice MP work this week, hopefully the warmer air has arrived (but not too warm).

From Rye on Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 16:44:24 from 71.209.7.191

I agree with joe.... I am jealous of those miles! Nice job!

From I Just Run on Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 21:37:26 from 166.205.13.100

Hey Flatlander...got me some Brooks Racer ST5 Flat racing shoes! Not exactly what you wear but they are flats. I don't think I'll use them in my race on the 29th but wait until my race on march 6th. Good miles for you this week despite the bad weather. Looks like this week will be much better for us.

From flatlander on Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 11:12:22 from 76.31.26.153

SJ and Rye, thanks for checking in. I feel like the last few days were a reward for some rather difficult running conditions last week. Then I remember what cold really is and I try to zip it.

IJR, that's great! Let me know how they work. You're already fast, these should make you even faster.

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2.1210.000.000.0012.12

41F, 71% humidity, wind NW 9 mph.  Those are the numbers on the computer for Cyrpess, but actual wind was at least 15 if not 20 mph.  It was a real problem every time I turned into it.  Otherwise it was really great running weather out there, actually had to take off my gloves after awhile.  Ran 2 warmup miles, 9:39 and 8:41, then back to GMP for 10:  7:35 (168), 7:35 (170), 7:33 (171), 7:20 (172), 7:23 (178), 7:22 (174), 7:34 (174), 7:35 (176), 7:36 (178) and 7:35 (181), flat shoes.  Overall pace 7:49, average pace for GMP miles 7:31, so pretty much on the money.  I had real problems maintaining pace the last 4 miles, it was like my legs stiffened up or something.  I wasn't particularly tired, and I felt like I pumped up the effort considerably on the last two miles and they still came in high.  I'll have to work on figuring that one out, I'm probably not limber enough.  Time for Pilates (right).  On the other hand, the relatively high heart rate never bothered me, I guess I was feeling good from not having run hard for a few days.

We have two new familes on our cul de sac.  So our neighbor invited everybody over for a pre-Super Bowl party yesterday.  Proceeding counterclockwise, the first house is English (him) and French (her), then Irish (him) and Mexican (her), then Mormon (us), then the host, Jill and Todd (the only normal house), then finally the last house is Peruvians who didn't show, but we know who they are.  But we were all united in our love for the Packers (BnS, are you still out there?), because the Steelers did some really rude things to the old Houston Oilers' Super Bowl ambitions about 30 years ago and we haven't forgotten.  We had to explain a couple of things to the English/French couple, starting with why the ball wasn't round, but before long they got with the program.  It was well worth the effort, though, because she brought over a really superior apple tart.

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From derhammer on Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 15:25:00 from 65.67.40.73

Looking good, Flat!

From I Just Run on Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 15:32:21 from 67.79.11.242

I ran in the wind on Saturday (about 15 mph), it was brutal! I was going for a best ever 20 mile pace (even though I've only ran 20 once before) but didn't quite make it. I had the same stiff leg syndrome after about 10 miles. Now I'm terribly sore. Anyway it looks like your times were very good especially for the conditions. Keep up the good work!

Isn't it great how we, as people, are so unique and interesting but all made in God's image!

From Rye on Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 17:26:08 from 75.167.131.224

Congrats is in order... I actually watched a good share of the game for a change. I am still leary to make it a family affair with all the wardrobe malfunctions......

From SlowJoe on Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 22:01:35 from 184.79.24.255

That is an awesome 10-mile stretch there. Great stamina, and I bet the stiff legs is just a fleeting issue.

My first big Oilers memory is the 35-3 comeback win the Bills pulled on us 20-ish years ago in the playoffs.

From flatlander on Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 15:57:35 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, luckily we didn't have much wind on Saturday, that is the hardest part of running I think. Yeah, it is fun having all of the neighbors so different, plus we all get along, which helps.

Rye, it was a good one this year. Didn't see halftime though, was there another malfunction?

Joe, thanks. After that debacle which you just brought up (very helpful, thanks), I swore off professional football, figured if the players didn't care I shouldn't either. The Texans almost had me back this year until they reverted to form.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.240.000.000.0012.24

29F, 77% humidity, wind ENE 5 mph.  Stellar morning.  Out the door early, ran 4 before the seminary run, then took care of some work duties and ran 8 more in the bright sunshine.  It was nice out there.  Ran slower than normal after going hard yesterday:  12.24 miles in 2:07:17, average pace 10:24 per mile, flat shoes and LHR.  We have another weather system coming in, but so far I am unimpressed.  What impresses me is the number of sub-30 days we have had this year.  Must be 10 or 15 by now and we should have a couple more this week.  Some winters here it never freezes.  Either way, though, I have yet to see it get so cold you can't run, although last Wednesday was close.  Pretty much, we get to run year-round here, although a lot of locals take the summer off.

My legs hurt more today than they did after running hard yesterday.  Part of it must be delayed onset, and part of it is going out again after cooling down completely.  But the bottom line is that slow is not the same as easy.

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From I Just Run on Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 15:30:34 from 67.79.11.242

Hey...I take exception to your comment "I have yet to see it get so cold you can't run"... To me below 40 is too cold...Oh yeah...I'm not a "real" runner...ha ha

Good thing I don't mind running on the treadmill.

IJR

From SlowJoe'sGrl on Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 23:45:12 from 184.79.24.255

You definitely haven't really been getting the Abilene weather if it hasn't been too cold to run yet. Single digits is too cold! But, then again anything below 32 and I will not go out.

From Burt on Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 14:12:37 from 206.19.214.144

I hope the tree in my front yard didn't freeze to death. The leaves are all dying. Any suggestions?

From I Just Run on Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 14:47:53 from 67.79.11.242

Burt,

Just cut it down and you won't have to worry about it!

From Burt on Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 14:50:56 from 206.19.214.144

Ha! I'll only have to worry about my landlord.

From flatlander on Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:47:03 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, too funny, the only important thing is to get in the run. If you can tolerate a TM, consider yourself lucky.

SJG, looks like you got the worst of it up there by far. Hopefully the weather is clearing out today.

Burt, don't ask me, every plant I have owned is dead, not counting the grass. All I can say is water it and if that doesn't work turn it into firewood and invite the neighbors over for a BBQ.

From I Just Run on Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:51:23 from 67.79.11.242

I changed my mind regarding what to do about the tree.... Burt, I think you should just cut it down and then run about 10 miles...then everything will feel right.

From Burt on Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:56:00 from 206.19.214.144

Running does make everything feel okay.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

Impossible day, did 6 easy on the TM at the house late at night, 10-minute pace.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.590.000.002.5010.09

22º, 11ºWC, wind NW 12 mph, humidity 70%.  Second coldest morning this winter for us.  But it was dry.  I didn't get to bed until 1:30 last night due to work issues, but my sweet wife offered to do the seminary run for me this morning, so I slept in until 7:30 and woke up refreshed.

The cold didn't seem so bad in the daylight.  I warmed up for 4 miles, 9:08, 8:20, 8:17 and 8:13.  Then launched into 10 x 400 (400 rest interval) as fast as my legs could do it.  I got faster as my legs loosened up.  Mile-equivalent paces for the quarters were 6:57, 6:49, 6:28, 6:43, 6:28, 6:24, 6:23, 6:14, 6:09 and 6:17.  Then a 1-mile cool-down.  I was happier with the last five than the first five.  I got more speed by trying to push off harder so as to get longer strides.  That seemed to smooth things out and helped me to pick up the pace.  Was actually nauseous when I finished but managed to eat a nutritious breakfast on schedule.  Overall run was 10.09 miles in 1:23: 45, average pace 8:18, flat shoes, ditched my heart rate strap after 2 miles, didn't really need it today anyway and there was no hope of getting a read-out in these temperatures.

Found a new pizza dive yesterday, best I have had in my 30 years in Houston.  Serving the best pizza in Houston is not a high standard, but it's always good to get a PR.

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From Stephen on Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:16:41 from 204.182.3.235

WOW!

From SlowJoe on Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:34:28 from 131.59.200.82

Those are great 400s, especially with such short rest. Way to get out there in the cold, I was not so ambitions this morning.

From I Just Run on Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:25:19 from 67.79.11.242

My problem with trying to run in 22 degree weather is that I could run for 40 miles and never warm up! Maybe I need to move to Arizona!

From Mack on Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:30:12 from 71.111.188.189

Nice job getting in an impressive workout in chilly weather!!

Now I'm hungry for pizza.

From derhammer on Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 22:58:37 from 24.28.82.222

Nice! I like it. :-)

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23ºF, 93% humidity, wind N 1 mph, clear and calm.  A bit chilly but great weather.  Ran 3.5, did the seminary run then finished the run mostly in the daylight.  Sun is starting to come up earlier, too bad it all goes to pot when we switch to DST in a month (March 13 to be exact).  Ran 14.01 miles in 2:21:41, average pace 10:07 per mile, low heart rate and flat shoes.  I couldn't really monitor my heart rate because I didn't sweat.  Interesting experiment would be to see how many slow miles you could run in these temperatures without needing a drink of water.

I really need to do more of these slow miles, ideally this many every day or even a few more while temperatures stay low.  They do me a lot of good over the long term and they are easy on the joints, but they eat a big chunk out of my day.  Some days it isn't possible, but maybe I can get in a bunch of them tomorrow.

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From I Just Run on Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 15:10:07 from 166.205.15.52

That's funny I seem to start sweating as soon as I put on mu heart monitor. I usually lose 4 pounds on a 10 mile run even trying to drink a lot...and I only weigh 155...not moch to spare!

From flatlander on Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 18:23:44 from 76.31.26.153

Yeah, putting it on is the moment of truth.

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29º F, 91% humidity, calm and clear.  Terrific weather, maybe a tad cool but decided against long pants and glad I did.  This was the 5th morning in a row under 30º F, which hasn't happened for many years.  Ran to Wade's house and did the loop down to the Y and back, about 16 miles, then did another loop in his neighborhood before calling it a day.  All at easy pace.  21.00 miles in 3:35:59, average pace 10:17 per mile, flat shoes.  I didn't have a heart rate monitor but am hoping the speed was slow enough to stay below my LHR threshold.  Wade was in the high 130s but mine could have been higher or lower.  Heel is bothering me some today, may have to take a week off from flat shoes.  They are great for most purposes but my right heel and Achilles let me know if I wear them too much.

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From SlowJoe on Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:57:02 from 184.79.24.255

Great-looking mileage as usual. Most normal human beings probably couldn't think about wearing flats for those kind of distances, pretty cool that you have gotten acclimated like that.

From Kelli on Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 17:34:57 from 71.219.84.215

WHAT, 29 is warm!!!!!! Take care of your feet, you need them.

From Burt on Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:38:29 from 206.19.214.144

40 degrees here this morning. Brrr!!!

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10.210.000.000.0010.21

43º, 100% humidity, calm and foggy.  But the stars were out, very nice running weather.  It was almost like spring was in the air, very heavy and full of woodsy smells.  Pretty good running weather, wore short sleeves and regular hat.  It's going to be warm like thsi for at least a week, maybe it never will return to the 20s like last week.  I checked my old blog entries and it looks like a total of 14 days below 30º F so far this year, pretty much a record for these parts.  Must be some sort of a running accomlishment?  Most years it is 2 or 3 days all winter, some years it doesn't even come close to that.

I ran 10.21 miles in 1:44:08, average pace 10:12 per mile, low heart rate and regular shoes.  The heart rate monitor went out after about 5 miles so I just held the same pace, probably let my heart rate drift up too much but it still isn't warm enough for me to sweat at low effort, so no accurate read-out.  I would have thought it would be better at these tempertures, hopefully I don't have mechanical issues with the Garmin. 

Absolutely no issues with my Achilles and heel today, but I think I am going to stay in regular shoes for the week.  When I wear them too much I start to get a little bit knee pain and other aches and pains, but I think it's OK for one week.

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From I Just Run on Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:16:14 from 67.79.11.242

I had about the same weather conditions except the fog was really thick and I couldn't see any stars. I felt like I was swimming and not running. Hey...I was wondering when and where your next race will be?

From derhammer on Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:26:50 from 192.156.110.33

Happy to hear your heel is not giving you anymore grief. In the not too soon future we will be blogging about how hot it is. Let's enjoy this now. :-)

From Rye on Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 17:03:16 from 168.103.137.186

Flat....what time do you start your runs? Nice job

From flatlander on Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 14:38:34 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, it is a half marathon in Beaumont ("Gusher") on March 12, so a little over 3 weeks from now.

DH, tell me about it. Today was 20 degrees above normal, exactly the opposite of last week.

Rye, they have been all over the map lately. Ideal is 5:15 to 5:30 but sometimes earlier and sometimes much later.

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10.120.000.000.0010.12

52º, 100% humidity, wind SSE 3 mph.  Short-sleeve weather this morning.  Ran 10.12 miles in 1:43:58, average pace 10:17, LHR and regular shoes.  HR monitor was working this morning, so I ran a true LHR run, whereas yesterday I was guessing.  Really not a bad pace for heavy shoes, but the back of my knee hurts more today than it did yesterday.  Funny how different shoes make different parts hurt.  After much agony and indecision, I have finally come to the conclusion that it is time to purchase a new pair of regular-weight shoes.  The old ones have about 2,500 miles on them, as best as I can estimate.  Maybe I can find some that will be easy on my knees.  That is the main benefit I get from flat shoes, so it would be good to have a back-up pair for weeks like this one when it is time to give my heel a rest from the flat shoes.  Clear as mud?

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From SlowJoe on Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 19:26:53 from 184.79.24.255

2500 miles - wow, did you leave out a decimal point somewhere?! I can feel a difference in support in mine around 300-400 miles, so that is impressive. I think I'm a pretty big heel-striker in my clunkers though (which is all I really wear), so maybe that's the difference. Now that you've gotten 5 times the mileage out of them you can afford some new ones!

From flatlander on Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 14:40:08 from 198.207.244.102

I know, but it is kind of a perverse pride. I like having really old shoes not because I like them, but because everybody else has new ones.

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4.030.006.000.0010.03

54º, 94% humidity, calm and foggy.  I really like these conditions to run in.  Since my knee was bothering me from running slow in normal-lift shoes, I put my flats back on and decided to do a speed day.  Trying to discipline myself to only one speed day a week right now.  The goal was to do 6 @ 7:15 and I made that.  Warmed up for two miles, accelerating into the fast miles:  9:57 and 8:23.  Then 7:00 (166), 7:09 (174), 7:04 (178), 7:08 (181), 7:15 (182) and 7:10 (184).  From the way my heart rate was climbing rapidly, you can tell I was just hanging on at the end and it felt like it.  Average pace 7:08 for the 6, which is an unofficial 10K PR for me, not quite 10K but close enough.  Overall run was 10.03 miles in 1:22:18, average pace 8:12 per mile.  If I could do 8 and then 10 at this speed in the next two weeks I might have a shot at running the half at 7:15 speed in 3-1/2 weeks.  I think running intervals last week was helpful.  The pace didn't seem quite so frantic this morning.

Our local church is doing a "pioneer trek" in March, and one of my assignments is to collect stories from accounts by the original Mormon handcart pioneers.  I have been reading quite a bit in the last couple of days and it is truly amazing what they went through.  Most families lost a few people in the snow, some were almost entirely wiped out.  It was the last river rossing of the Platte River in eastern Wyoming that really did them in.  The bad part of the trek only lasted a few weeks in late October and early November, but it was fatal for a lot of people.  These homespun accounts will stop your heart, it is a sobering read.  I was thinking about it on the run this morning but not in a way you would guess.  Mainly I was thinking about how little it had to do with running.

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From SlowJoe on Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:52:37 from 131.59.200.80

Gotta love the PR on a training run, very nice! I don't think 7:15 is an unreasonable goal for you in the half, especially since this was a training run and you went a lot faster than 7:15 today. Looks like your half may be the weekend before mine. Sorry, one of these days I'll try to go first!

From lightitup on Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:40:38 from 71.37.138.33

Sounds like a hopeful run. Pioneer stories definitely do not inspire competition; they had to go as slow as their slowest member. Their priority was each other, keeping each other alive and moving forward, and in a way they were not prepared for... Sounds more like life.

From I Just Run on Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:20:50 from 67.79.11.242

Your run was very similar to my run on Saturday (times and all). I was beat after the run though...probably a little too much effort for me. I'll keep working to catch up with you though. My goal for this weeks 1/2 Marathon is a lot less at a 7:50 pace. Keep up the good work and I hope your feels better.

From Rye on Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:25:02 from 208.45.117.27

If you need some additional info I can provide some stories. Our stake participates in the Martins Cove trek every three years. Sobering place! Nice run today.

From flatlander on Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 14:45:06 from 198.207.244.102

Joe, thanks, it gave me a dose of hope when I needed it. I have been in that between-race funk for the last little while.

E, well said.

IJR, based on the times I have seen you should be able to accomplish that quite readily. You may be surprised at how well you do. Good luck.

Rye, that would be great to read some of your stuff if it is handy. I'm still looking for stories.

From derhammer on Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 22:04:33 from 70.113.204.189

Nice run, Flat. You can probably attribute some of the high HR to the humidity.

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63º, 90% humidity, wind SSE 5 mph.  Wind was heavier than that during the run, but otherwise nice running weather, as warm this week as it was cold last week.  Today was back to the LHR salt mine after frolicking in the low 7s yesterday.  Got out late after working late last night.  Ran 10.00 miles exactly, in 1:44:31, average pace 10:27 per mile, low heart rate and regular shoes.  Right knee is aching again today after muscles cooled down, but it will disappear overnight and I will do it again tomorrow.  I don't think it is a big deal.  I'm still happy about yesterday's run, to the point that it doesn't bother me that today was slow.  For some reason LHR runs work for me even though it is hard to detect any improvement on a week to week basis.

Granddaughters are in town, and Mrs. Flatlander has a full program in progress.  Just trying to stay out of the way.

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From I Just Run on Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 14:43:37 from 67.79.11.242

Nice you got a break on the humidity...only 90% ha ha...not 100%!

From Smooth on Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 14:57:10 from 67.2.69.27

You are so consistent with your daily 10+ miler! :)

Granddaughter is going to be the boss around the house in the next little while, enjoy! I am enjoying mine here as well!

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0.0010.020.000.0010.02

64F, 93% humidity, wind SSW 5 mph.  Good running weather.  Short sleep, had to get to work, so ran faster today, 10.02 miles in 1:21:30, average pace 8:08 per mile and regular shoes:  8:54 (137); 8:08 (152); 7:54 (159); 7:56 (162); 7:56 (163); 8:06 (164); 8:06 (165); 8:12 (166), 8:13 (167) and 8:00 (171).  Corrected for heavier shoes, this was an OK run heart-rate wise.  In order to make a marathon work it is ideal to get through 10 miles under 160, so I wouldn't have run a 3:30 marathon this morning in these shoes.

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20.020.000.000.0020.02

59F, 100% humidity, wind ENE 3 mph, heavy fog.  Even though it was cooler than yesterday it was the type of running weather that tests your resolve.  So wet out there the fog was generating a mist of rain.  Was soaking wet within a couple of miles and unfortunately forgot to treate with Glide, creating a Burt-like episode on the front of my white shirt.

I ran from my front door down to the Y, about 6.5, then ran another 13.5 with Wade and the rest of the group.  Pace down to the Y was about 9:30, then about 9:00 for the rest of the run.  Wade ran his last mile at 7:30, leaving me in the dust.  He has definitely got his mojo back, but says he won't run any more marathons.  I'm working on him.  He is running the half with me on March 12, but only plans to do 8:00 per mile.  I think he is selling himself way short.

20.02 miles in 3:05:38, average pace 9:16 per mile.  I ran around the parking lot a couple of times at the end of the run to get to 20.  Someday I'll grow up.

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From I Just Run on Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:21:43 from 166.205.12.133

Hi Flatlander,

What's the Glide you mentioned? Lots of good moles for you this week... Hope the foot and knee is doing better!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:30:32 from 184.79.24.255

I would've done the same thing. It's a rare day that I don't stop the watch right at the mile.

We've been having similar temps lately, but not quite as humid - sorry about the Burt-like episode, but nice 20!

From flatlander on Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:50:07 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, thanks, knee and foot are still bothering a little but not getting worse, and running in regular-lift shoes this week has been good for the foot. Body glide is available in any running store, and REI has it too. It looks like deodorant and you put it on the same way on any parts that might chafe. The stuff is expensive, about $10 per bar, but it works.

Joe, thanks, have a nice weekend.

From Dan on Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 16:36:23 from 24.209.83.20

Man, I can not tell you how many times I have ran in circles to get that last hundredth of a mile!!!! Great miles!

From Smooth on Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 23:51:20 from 67.2.69.27

NICE 20 miler! Yah, we're all a bit OCD to run in circles to top off the numbers! :)

Seems like it's a wet day for every FRBer today! :)

From I Just Run on Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 07:10:45 from 166.205.12.200

I thought Glide might be some secrete formula that makes you run smoother and faster:)

From flatlander on Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:30:37 from 198.207.244.102

Dan and Smooth, thanks, I think I now have a new tagline for my blog, "Running in Circles".

From Mack on Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 19:20:59 from 71.111.188.189

If you were a true,hard core OCD you would have also ran backwards .02 to keep things nice and tidy.

From flatlander on Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 09:58:43 from 75.214.144.72

Hey Mack, how are you? I'll try to be a little more precise going forward. Check out Monday's run.

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12.000.000.000.0012.00

65F, 86% humidity, wind S 12 mph.  Nice spring morning out there.  My Garmin went dark about 20 steps into the run so I finished entirely by feel.  Ran for 2:06 and figured a 10:30 pace in regular shoes.  I got the Garmin to go on once for just long enough to get a heart rate readout, at about mile 6, 133, a little high for this type of run.  So I slowed down a little, but that is the only data point I got, other than the clock on my cell phone.  Plus I know the distances in my neighborhood pretty well, so it kind of worked.  I don't know how Pheidippedes did it without a GPS watch.

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4.030.008.000.0012.03

59F, 63% humidity, wind NNE 6 mph.  First look at my Blackberry this morning showed 70F.  After a moment of panic I realized that was last night's readout, and was much relieved when I got the true temperature, which is only a little bit warmer than ideal.  The intent today was to do 8 at 7:15, which is goal half marathon pace for my race in 2-1/2 weeks.  I got it but it was hard.  Warmed up for 2 miles, 9:48 and 8:22 and accelerated into the fast ones:  7:12 (161), 7:04 (170), 7:02 (173), 7:08 (175), 7:14 (176), 7:23 (176) (that one woke me up), 7:12 (178) and 7:02 (181), average pace about 7:10, good result but I could not have run 13 at this pace today.  2 cooldown.  12.02 total in 1:36:26, 8:01 average pace.  In my mental fog at mile 9 I started wondering how many dogs have barked at me in my running life.  I decided at least one per mile, I must be on the wall of honor down at the K9-VFW.

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From SlowJoe on Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:28:20 from 131.59.200.80

Really impressive, such a long tempo! If you had our temps today, the HR would've been lower. With a little race-day boost you could definitely pull off the 1:35.

From I Just Run on Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:55:32 from 67.79.11.242

It was 53 when I ran this morning...I think that's about perfect for me, except I needed to wear gloves. That's cool how you can pace yourself so evenly over the miles, where I run is too hilly. I need to get to a flat area to run sometime. They say the Half I'm running in 1-1/2 weeks is hilly just like the Ausin Half I just ran. Someday I'll run a really flat Half and see how it compares. Keep up the good work, I think you're going to do great at the race. Is it going to be a flat run?

From Burt on Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 17:37:43 from 206.19.214.144

Man, you're fast now!

From flatlander on Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:46:08 from 198.207.244.102

Joe, that's what I'm counting on, I don't think I will be all the way there otherwise by March 12.

IJR, funny how we complain about having no hills around here. Come run Beaumont with us on March 12, I think it is pretty flat?

Burt, for a little while on some days perhaps, then I run out of gas.

From I Just Run on Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:54:07 from 67.79.11.242

I'd love to come and run Beaumont on March 12 but I think it might be a little too much after running Austin on Feb 20 and San Marcos on March 6th...but I will come down your way sometime and run! I will need to pick up my pace so I can run with you..!

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10.190.000.000.0010.19

67F, 87% humidity, wind SE 6 mph.  Not a good morning for running, there I said it.  At least it wasn't cold.  Ran 10.19 miles in 1:48:43, average pace 10:40 per mile, LHR and regular-weight shoes.  Heat started getting to me towards the end, I was soaked to the skin by the time I finished.  Lots of pain left in my legs from yesterday's run, some of it in new spots.  I got two bad cramps in my right hamstring yesterday morning and it was still hurting today, to the point it altered my stride for the first few miles.  Despite the negative factors that kept my LHR speed slow this morning (heat, heavy shoes, hung over legs), I think the bottom line is it is slower overall right now.  I have continued to improve on the high end for the first couple of months this year, but my guess is that unless I get the low end back I will eventually run out of capacity to get more speed.  That isn't a traditional way to think about conditioning, but it makes sense to me.  Right now I seem to be unwilling to forget about races and just do LHR runs for 8-12 weeks, which is really what it takes.  If I don't have a race coming up in the next few weeks I start to get impatient.

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From Mack on Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 15:24:24 from 71.111.188.189

Nice run Flat. I can relate to the need for a race thing. I'm the same way.

From I Just Run on Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:47:45 from 67.79.11.242

This may sound crazy but sometimes it seems I have more aches and pains on my during and after my slow run days...probably all mental!

From Rye on Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 18:01:26 from 174.27.82.195

You are soooo steady! Great job getting the miles in.

From flatlander on Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 18:12:29 from 75.214.186.218

Mack, yeah that's it I guess, I always like to be working toward a race. I'm probably more goal-oriented than I like to admit.

IJR, you hit it right on the button in my opinion. I think slow runs work out a different system than fast ones, my run yesterday reinforced that in my mind.

Rye, thanks, trying to make sure they are good miles.

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10.220.000.000.0010.22

54F, 72% humidity, wind N 7 mph.  Didn't run yesterday, work was impossible, up late and up early.  Ran 10.22 miles in 1:44:45, 10:15 per mile, low heart rate and regular shoes.  26 second per mile improvement over Wednesday.

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20.100.000.000.0020.10

58F, 87% humidity, wind S 10 mph.  Unlike yesterday, it was getting warmer as I ran today rather than cooler.  The program was to run an entire long run at low heart rate.  Started out OK, a little slower than yesterday, hitting mid-10s for the first 8 or 9 miles, not as good as yesterday but OK.  Then it went south.  I was in the low 12s by the time I finished, kind of interesting and disheartening at the same time.  I now know for sure that I need to do a lot more running in this range.  It is hard to do long runs at low heart rate unless I do them alone though.  I am starting to think that long runs are like regular runs, they should be either fast or slow to get the most benefit.  I was really beat up by the time I finished, which again shows that I am working a different system than usual.  Ran 20.12 miles in 3:41, average pace 11:02 per mile.

I am traveling starting Tuesday morning and will be jet lagged, so running is going to be a mess this week.  Don't know what the situation will be as far as temperatures, time or a place to run, and I won't be back until Sunday night.  Probably time for an easier week anyway.  Bummer is that I might also be traveling the following weekend, when I have a half scheduled in Beaumont.  So life is intruding a little.

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From Mack on Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 22:58:50 from 71.111.188.189

Hope you find a way to squeeze in some runs while you are traveling, unless you need a little bit of a break.

From SlowJoe on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:53:52 from 131.59.200.82

Running for over 3-1/2 hours will beat up anyone. Glad you could get in the 20 miles before it gets too crazy. If you miss your HM in Beaumont, drive up to Longview the next weekend and run it with us there!

From flatlander on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:47:52 from 75.214.165.172

Thanks Mack, running while traveling is at best a maintenance activity, have never had a really good run on the road, but it beats not running at all, for sure.

Joe, sounds like Longview might be an option, thanks for the heads up.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.220.000.000.0010.22

64F, 87% humidity, wind S 10 mph, trying to rain.  Very nice morning for running, I think I said it already but the spring smells that come out this time of the year are a nice change from winter.  It will be colder tomorrow but not that cold.  Got out the door intending to do my big fast run for the week since I am traveling tomorrow and discovered that my Garmin's battery had died again.  Second time in a week.  My son uses it and I think he is putting it back on the cradle without turning it off.  Not complaining though, I am glad to see him running. 

I am calling it 10.22 miles because I ran exactly the same thing as Friday.  Ran it at about a 10:30 pace (according to the clock on my cell phone) in flat shoes, so I am pretty sure I kept my heart rate in the target range.  Another indication is that my legs and Achilles felt good at the end.  Hopefully I can get the fast run in tomorrow before I leave for the airport at 7:00 a.m.  It will be an early start but shouldn't matter because sleep patterns will be screwed up anyway.

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From I Just Run on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:44:32 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Flat,

I read Der Hammer's run ruport the other day and I like his idea of just going out and running without a Garmin, without a goal, without a schedule, without a specific route...Just Run... We all should probably do that more often!

Hope you have a good trip..!

From Mack on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 16:49:21 from 71.111.188.189

Nice run Flat. Glad to hear your son is picking up the habit. Have a good trip.

From Dan on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 18:57:35 from 24.209.83.20

Nice running. Now that you got the son running, send him out with a dead Garmin battery... that will be a reminder :) Hope you get quality sleep if not quantity, have a great trip!

From allie on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 20:07:15 from 174.23.253.123

nice running. have a safe trip.

From seeaprilrun on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 20:52:16 from 72.205.227.203

Sometimes it's such a relief to just run naked! Glad you enjoyed that weather--I'm a bit of wimp about that kind of humidity and still feel like 64 degrees is hot!

From flatlander on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 22:02:23 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, thanks, you forget how OCD I am. If I actually enjoyed a run I would know I was doing something wrong.

Thanks Mack. Good luck at Moab.

Dan, thanks, that's a good idea.

Allie, now that you have done a 5-minute plank it would be appropriate for me to go ahead and look up exactly what that is.

April, you made me read my entry again.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.090.0010.000.0012.09

46F, 77% humidity, wind N 5 mph.  Ideal running conditions.  Up very early to get it in before leaving for the airport.  Warmed up 2 miles, 9:37 and 8:16, then tried to do 10 at 7:15 but couldn't pull it off.  Never got down to that speed.  Splits were 7:24 (161), 7:20 (167), 7:17 (169), 7:28 (170), 7:21 (171, 7:22 (173), 7:24 (174), 7:24 (174), 7:31 (174) and 7:30 (173).  Overall pace for the 10 was 7:24, legs feel good.  Felt pretty tired, but the limiting factor was speed.  After awhile my legs just wouldn't go any faster, but I wonder if I was a little bit afraid of the run.  Perhaps if I had started out faster I would have been able to hang on.  Good news is it looks like I won't miss the Beaumont half a week from Saturday.  From here on out it is catch as catch can for runs this week.

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From SlowJoe on Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 15:52:15 from 131.59.200.82

Really nice run anyway. I definitely would not want to know what my heart rate is on tempo runs, for the reason you stated (being afraid of the run). I would probably be calling 911 after a couple miles.

Good luck this week.

From Smooth on Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 17:30:24 from 67.2.86.179

Puts a smile on my face to see all those 7 paces! You're so ready for Beaumont! :) :) :)

Have a safe travel!

From I Just Run on Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 10:38:41 from 67.79.11.242

Looks to me like you can blow your current Half-Marathon PR out of the water...flat shoes or no flat shoes. What's your goal?

From flatlander on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 00:55:10 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks all, I'll catch up on your blogs soon.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.010.000.000.0010.01

75F, 90% humidity, wind about 15 mph.  In China this week, ran from a hotel on Hainan Island, which is in the far south of China, so it was pretty much summer temperatures.  Did a low heart rate run anyway, 1:49:35, average pace 10:57 per mile, but true pace was probably more like 10:40 because I went a stretch with no GPS but the clock still running.

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From I Just Run on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 09:27:10 from 166.205.12.167

Wait a minute...I thought everything wa in Kilometers. How'd you fugue out the exact Milage? LOL

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.140.000.000.0010.14

85F, 80% humidity, wind about 15 mph.  Still on Hainan Island.  Stayed up most of the night working because I was still too jetlagged to sleep more than 3 or 4 hours at a time.  Had a 6-hour presentation at a conference today with lunch in the middle.  I was afraid I would fall asleep on my feet in front of our clients, so I skipped lunch and went out for a run in the sun.  Was only going to do 6 or 7 then decided to do the whole thing.  Was surprised that I didn't do too badly, Same route as Wednesday, 10.14 miles in 1:28:04, average pace 8:41 per mile, down to the 8:20s by the end of the run.  Most people ignored me, there aren't a lot of runners here, but every once in a while I could tell from somebody's look that they knew I was working pretty hard, this was not a jog, i.e., they were runners, there is a code, we can all tell somehow.  It worked, I made it through the afternoon fine.  Back in Houston tonight, have to go back in a week but it looks like I will make my race this weekend.

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From Burt on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 00:50:49 from 72.223.90.79

I didn't know the internet was in China.

From flatlander on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 00:53:17 from 76.31.26.153

I'm back home tonight. The internet is an open war in China. I couldn't get it all week on my computer, only Blackberry. Some other lawyers in my group got it sporadically, not sure what is going on but it is bigger than us.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.080.002.000.006.08

50F, 85% humidity, wind E 6 mph.  Very nice morning.  Slept like a rock last night, never changed positions and woke up with severe neck pain.  It didn't really affect my run, but I've got leftover stomach problems from my travels last week and that did affect my run.  I warmed up 2 miles, the plan was to go 4 hard at faster than HMP, but I could only go 2, my stomach started to hurt badly and I got nauseous.  So I ran the last 2 as a cooldown.  The fast ones were 6:50 (167) and 7:01 (176).  On a better day I think I could have done 4.  Overall 6.08 miles in 51:30, average pace 8:29 per mile, flat shoes.  Right at the beginning of my fast miles a 2-pound yapper came out to greet me, but he just wanted to run.  He kept up with me for a half mile then got distracted by a tree.  Felt pretty dumb getting outrun by a furball.

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From SlowJoe on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 12:18:35 from 131.59.200.82

Hey welcome back - hopefully you can get some rest and are able to normalize soon. I ran terribly for a few days after some bad jet lag in January, but was back to normal in maybe half a week. Good luck!

From Burt on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 12:21:15 from 206.19.214.144

Yapper. I was pulling weeds in the front lawn Saturday and the neighbor's dog kept yapping at me. I kept saying, "Shut up ya little yapper!"

From derhammer on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 15:11:04 from 192.156.110.40

Welcome back! Good luck this weekend.

From Rye on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 15:28:17 from 75.167.148.155

Don't feel bad about being out run by a fur ball. Hey Burt ... Sounds almost like Chris Farley... I think it was something like "Dad, why don't you just shut your yapper!" I want to live in a van down by the river...

From Burt on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 15:57:26 from 206.19.214.144

I like when he jumps through the table.

From I Just Run on Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 16:17:21 from 67.79.11.242

I missed something...do you have a race this weekend?

From flatlander on Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:38:17 from 198.207.244.102

Joe, felt better today already, you must be right.

Burt, somebody could make a fortune if they could actually figure out what goes on inside a dog's head. Forget Alzheimer's (no pun intended), we need a cure for barking.

DH, thanks, hope all is going well.

Rye, I know I shouldn't, but I do. The thing was just too little to be laying down high 6s.

Preston, yeah, doing Beaumont half on Saturday with my friend Wade.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.040.000.000.007.04

67F, 90% humidity, wind SSE 10-18 mph, starting to rain.  Nice cloudy morning out there, a little warm though.  Started out well on the LHR run, but heart rate drift was pretty steep in the heat.  Mile 2 was 9:33, mile 7 was 10:20.  Overall 7.04 miles in 1:10:10, average pace 9:58 per mile, flat shoes.  Had to knock off early to drive a kid to school but that is OK for this week.  I am not in full taper mode for a half marathon, but I don't mind going into the race a little bit rested.  Hopefully I can do some more fast miles tomorrow then nothing hard until Saturday.  Looks like it will be a little warm in Beaumont on Saturday morning, high 50s and low 60s, warm enough to affect pacing, but there is some colder weather scheduled between now and then, so if things get delayed it might still be cool then.  Hoping for the best.

Trying to decide whether to run UVM.  The altitude got me last year, although I had a pretty decent PR anyway.  I am thinking if I do a lot of hill work on my wife's treadmill, up and down, I might be OK.  It would be nice to have something better than a 3:39 (day 5) in my pocket when I am trying to get into Boston this fall.

Once Saturday's race is over, I am thinking of doing 8 weeks of straight LHR training so I can have something to build on for the rest of the year.  I am not improving much on that end of the spectrum by doing it 3 or 4 times a week.

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From I Just Run on Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:47:40 from 67.79.11.242

Hi Flatlander,

I'm excited to see what you can do on your upcoming marathon. I didn't realize you were trying to qualify for Boston. Would that be for 2012? Man...that would be cool if you, me, Turbo Joe (Slow Joe) all qualified and went in 2012...! Der Hammer has already made it, now all he needs to do is to get entered.

Another question (you're probably tired of all my question), when you work you LHR miles what is your HR goal...BPM & % Max? Just curious...IJR

On another note, I think you're close to my age. Is your BQ time 3:35:59?

From flatlander on Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 13:08:35 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, I'm 55, I already qualified! My BQ time is 3:45:59, so with my 3:39 I am in the 5-day group, hoping to do better than that, but I agree it would be a lot of fun if we could all go in 2012.

I haven't gone to a clinic yet, which is the only way to tell for sure where your aerobic zone is, but I use the Maffetone formula to establish low heart rate, which is to subtract your age from 180 and add 5 bpm if you are in shape. Puts me in the 125 to 130 range, I cheat a little bit and run it up to 132 at times. Like I say, I need to get a real answer to that question. If it is higher I would love to run faster on my LHR runs. If it is lower I need to know that.

From I Just Run on Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 13:29:15 from 67.79.11.242

So...I correct my statement "Man...that would be cool if me and Turbo Joe (Slow Joe) all qualified and went in 2012...! You and Der Hammer have already made it, now all you need to do is to get entered. Oh…wait a minute, Turbo Joe may have already qualified too…I may be the “odd man out”!

From derhammer on Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 22:33:25 from 70.113.204.189

Hey Flat, you will do just fine this weekend.

Have you heard of the Karvonen method for determining heart rate zones? They say it is the "gold" standard for determining HR zones and is what Pfitzinger uses in advanced marathoning. A quick calculator is here: http://www.briancalkins.com/HeartRate.htm

I broke down and ordered a 305 with HR so I can get an idea what my zones are vs the paces I run, though I am pretty sure I am close.

I don't think you have any worries about getting into Boston. I have actually been looking at what is out there. I hear good things about Grandma's marathon - point to point and pretty flat course. I would only have 12 weeks to prepare since it is June 18th.

From flatlander on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 10:25:25 from 76.31.26.153

David, hadn't seen that, it definitely looks more sophisticated than the average HR tables I see. Still, it pegs my maximum heart rate in the mid-160s, which is really a mid-race marathon bpm for me. My max is somewhere in the 190s, not sure exactly where. I just need to get on a treadmill with a gas mask on to see when my body switches from fats to carbs (hopefully low 130s), and see what it will show for a max. When I do, I am going to wear my Garmin and see how that readout compares to the "official" one. After this morning I am starting to suspect that my Garmin heart rate monitor might be faulty or at least inconsistent.

From derhammer on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 10:46:59 from 65.67.40.73

Right, the problem with that calculator is that it figures your max for you. Last year when I had my max tested it was 185. You can google heart rate reserve to find out more about it. I found this one where you can manually enter you numbers: http://www.cardiacathletes.org.uk/calc1.php

Does your HR strap have a built in battery? Maybe it is getting low on power.

From I Just Run on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 10:56:08 from 67.79.11.242

I've been following you guys conversation. I actually have two HR monitors (my Garmin and my Timex), when the battery goes weak on either they immediatly quit working. Regarding the Max HR and other zones I believe the last calculator Der Hammer sent seems accurate on the upper end of the chart (when I plug in my numbers 36 RHR & 183 MHR) but the mid and low just don't seem right compaired to my efforts. It's going to he interesting when I go in for my Stress Test on the 16th.

From derhammer on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 11:19:58 from 65.67.40.73

I would not pay too much attention to what the zones say, the percentage is more important.

I found this quite interesting and insightful as well:

http://pfitzinger.com/labreports/hrmpitfalls.shtml

From I Just Run on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 11:35:11 from 67.79.11.242

Man...Der Hammer, you're a wealth of information! This article is very accurate and informative based on my (little) experience. Point # 1 was proven between my two last (and only) half marathons. The first one I was more concerned about running in a specific HR zone, the second race I Just Ran. When it was all said and done I improved drasticlly on the second race. Point #2 is exactly right...I think we all know that. #3 is interesting because I can measure my LHR down to 36 bpm but if I start thinking about the day or even rolling around in bed it goes to 40-42. #5 is what I've been trying to do running consistant treadmill runs ever so often to see my progress.

Flatlander, I hope you don't think I'm trying to take over the conversation on your Blog but I thought another perspective might be of interest.

I JUST RUN

From derhammer on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 11:52:17 from 65.67.40.73

Nah, I just know where to find the information. Pfitzinger is one of my favorites as I really respect him. This is a must read as well:

http://pfitzinger.com/labreports/hrm.shtml

Who knew? One's max heart rate actually decreases with fitness.

From I Just Run on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 12:41:52 from 67.79.11.242

Dang...Now my head is spinning...! I'm not working hard enough on the easy days and too hard on the hard days...LOL...I'm Glad I JUST RUN or this would make me crazy...!

From derhammer on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 13:05:08 from 65.67.40.73

Aerobic base pace should not be "easy" - easy/recovery days should only follow a hard day such as tempo, intervals, a race, or a tough long run, or if you body just feels like it. Just my 2 cents. :-)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.040.005.000.0010.04

66F, 99% humidity, wind NW 5 mph to start, 56F, 70% humidity, wind N 10-20 mph at end.  Ran right through a front coming in this morning, hope it hangs around until Saturday morning.  Was pretty surprised at how strong the wind was, since the weather report had posted 5 mph at the time I went out -- turns out it was changing on the fly.

The plan was to run 5 fast at 7:00 pace, in hopes that a 7:15 pace on Saturday would seem manageable.  I managed to do that, but given how tired I was I am not sure it will work for Saturday.  Hopefully I didn't wear myself out.  Warmed up for three, accelerating into the fast ones, then 7:02 (169), 6:55 (176), 6:58 (183), 7:09 (188) (really feeling it here) and 6:57 (190).  Was very happy to get that last one under 7, especially since a lot of it was into the wind.  Average pace 7:00 plus 1 second for the whole 5 which I will call a rounding error.  Couldn't believe how high my heart rate readouts were, at some points it was steady 192 and even showing upper 190s but it was spiking at that point and I think it might have been a mechanical malfunction (hopefully not a coronary malfunction).  Nevertheless, the average bpm showing for each split are pretty accurate, I think.  This one was either maximum effort or pretty close, would have been a real battle to run 10K at this speed.  Cool down 2 miles, total 10.04 miles in 1:23:41, average pace 8:19 per mile, flat shoes and definitely not LHR.

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From SlowJoe on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 11:08:27 from 131.59.200.82

Excellent run!! Wind is a killer, you should do great at the half.

From I Just Run on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 11:20:42 from 67.79.11.242

I'm excited about your race coming up...! I think you're going to do GOOD. Hey, have you tried just physically measuring you HR to compare it to the Garmin readout? That might give you reassurance of it's proper operation.

From Dan on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 22:12:19 from 24.209.83.20

I think it was a good day to push it. It will give your legs enough time for Sat.

Nice Run!!

From Rye on Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 19:57:26 from 75.174.13.229

Good luck this weekend. Race day magic with good training will produce some good results!

From flatlander on Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 16:47:37 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks very much, guys, hoping for cool weather.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.250.000.000.0010.25

41F, 75% humidity, wind WNW 3 mph.  Great running weather today.  Ran 10.25 miles in 1:41:05, average pace 9:52 minutes per mile, low heart rate and flat shoes.  Last mile was 9:49, so nothing under 10 other than the first one, good run.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.010.000.000.006.01

36F, 93% humidity, calm and clear as a bell.  Pretty much perfect out there this morning.  When I saw the temperature I bundled up, but never noticed the cold.  Still can't believe we are getting these temperatures in mid-March.  Hopefully some of this will hold until tomorrow morning.  60 was predicted yesterday, 53 being predicted this morning.  50 would be about perfect and remove all excuses.  I was going to go 10 this morning but then I remembered something about never going over 8 when you are getting ready for a race so I cut it short.  Hasn't been much of a taper this week but at least I gave it a nod.  Back to China on Monday morning, so I will get almost no running done there unless I can make myself do treadmill.  But first, off to Beaumont tonight for the big race tomorrow.  (Actually a pretty small race but you know what I mean.)

I registered for UVM yesterday, back to Utah for more high altitude punishment.  I got a hotel room in Midvale but it doesn't look like it is much of an advantage, it appears to be 10 miles from the start line.  When a race starts at 6:00 there are few alternatives to a very early alarm clock.

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From derhammer on Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:29:42 from 63.96.228.68

Good to have a goal to shoot for - what is the course like? It looks like most of the marathons there have plenty of hills and quite a few that are net down hills.

From SlowJoe on Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 14:29:40 from 131.59.200.80

Good luck tomorrow!

From I Just Run on Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 14:48:39 from 67.79.11.242

The good thing about your trip to China is you will have a new PR and be able to relive and celebrate your success allll the way over there and backkkkk....:) Hope you will be able to write your race report before you leave.

From flatlander on Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 16:46:52 from 198.207.244.102

DH, it has a couple of nasty hills early on, which are tempting to take at a fast speed just because you can. But the altitude (6500 on top) kills you if you give in to temptation. After that it is largely downhill until the last 10K, which is essentially level.

Joe, thanks, sorry I've been a bad blogger this week.

IJR, if I get a PR you can bet I'll be telling the flight attendants all about it. There will probably be a body falling out of the plane about Hawaii or so.

Race: Gusher Half Marathon (13.11 Miles) 01:37:04, Place overall: 14, Place in age division: 2
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.000.0013.110.0014.11

60F, 90% humidity, wind SE 15 mph.  Really nice running weather today, but I admit it got a little warm by the end.  Wade and I drove to Beaumont last night, got our hotel room, got registered, watched the Jimmer show, went foraging for food at gas stations, then retired early, at midnight, satisfied that the thermometer had dropped to 50F.  Arose in the 5:30 range, noted with alarm that the temperature was back up to 60F, took in a few calories and drove to the start line, about 10 miles away.  This kind of weather always feels cool and refreshing until you try to run in it.

Wade’s brother was running his first marathon and his sister-in-law was running the half as well.  Also, my nephew’s father-in-law, Mike, is a local and he was running in the same age group as me.  I warmed up for a mile and lined up almost at the front, didn’t want to be fighting for running room.  I noticed a guy with Mike on his bib, but didn’t feel like chatting before the race to see if he was the right Mike.  There were several other old guys in the same area, most wearing half-marathon bibs.  I remembered that a 54-year old won this race last year and figured I would have some good age-group competition.  The race counted down and we were off exactly on time at 7:30, was very glad they didn’t wait until 8.

About a hundred yards in I checked my watch and I was running at a 6:35 pace.  It felt plenty smooth but I immediately reeled it in.  It was toucg finding my target 7:15 pace.  First mile was 7:10, second was 7:24.  After that I got into the groove until I started to fade a little bit past the halfway point.

The old guys formed our own group almost immediately, together with the first place woman, and we held together for a while, surging back and forth.  We dropped the first-place woman after about 3 miles, dropped a few younger guys that went out too fast, then gradually started dropping the old, steady guys.  Finally they all fell off except for me and Mike, then at about mile 6 or 7, can’t remember exactly, I put on a last surge and kind of dropped Mike but he never went away.  Then there was nobody.  About then we made the turn back into the wind.  It was hotter and there was some up-hill to the road as well.  Previously we had been twisting and turning through the city but coming back it was a long, lonely straightaway, very tough.  A couple of younger marathoners were ahead of me but they kept increasing their lead and eventually I had the road all to myself, and it stayed that way for the duration.  I found myself asking for directions frequently, but never had trouble getting the right advice about which way the course turned.  Whenever I would pass a group of spectators they would encourage me and then fall silent.  I could tell how far back Mike was by the following shouts of encouragement.  Didn’t seem to me like he was all that far back.

At mile 12 there was a u-turn and sure enough, Mike was within 30 yards but working very hard.  By this time I was struggling to maintain any pace at all and my heart rate was already in the 180s.  I had done a mile earlier this week in the 190s so I did it again.  When I made the next to final turn I had 150 yards on Mike and that was it.  Splits were 7:10, 7:24, 7:15 (172), 7:16 (171), 7:19 (171), 7:15 (175), 7:12 (178), 7:22 (178), 7:27 (180), 7:37 (179), 7:38 (179), 7:47 (184), 7:30 (191), then .11 at 6:55, (188).  Finished in 1:37:04, average pace 7:24 per mile.

After I finished the first thing I did was introduce myself to Mike and sure enough he was the one, 59 years old, a very good runner.  One of the other old guys was 70, and he broke 1:40 and sounded disappointed.  I hope I can do that when I am 70.  (Actually, I probably won’t be doing this when I am 70.)  Turns out Mike and I had met at my nephew’s wedding.  After finishing I immediately tried to find out my overall place but they were coy about it, asking me to “stick around”.  So we did, even though we wanted to get back to the hotel and shower in order to get back for Wade’s brother’s marathon finish.  But we stuck around.  It takes a while to get to my age group.  Wade’s sister-in-law got second out of 37 in her age group and was ecstatic.  Finally they announced us.  Mike was third, so I knew that meant I was second.  The age group winner ran 1:27, way out of my league, so I had no regrets.  Catching somebody like that is going to have to wait for next year.  I worked hard and got a good time considering the conditions.  The overall winner ran 1:11, so thankfully a 1:27 didn’t win it again this year, that would have been embarrassing.  I got 14th overall out of 507 half-marathon finishers, Mike got 15th, and we had a grand time racing through the oil town on a warm Saturday morning. 

After showering, we got back just in time to see Wade’s brother run past the parking lot with 2 miles to go.  He finished his first marathon in about 4:12, running 2:04 and 2:08.  Very steady runner.  He seemed happy when I told him my time for my first marathon.  And my second. And my third.

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From Smooth on Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 19:14:02 from 67.2.89.126

Congratulations, Mark! Very impressive performance! Way to take 2nd in your AG in a very competitive field!

So what's next? Are you running UVM or Grandmas?

From Dan on Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 21:22:36 from 24.209.83.20

Congrats! Excellent race, way to take 2nd! Good recap of the way people drop, but you held strong. Nice work, go get some snacks.

From Rye on Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 22:15:24 from 63.227.134.18

Nice race report! Congrats with the race. You got to feel good about your finish. What's next for you? Hope your recovery goes well. Take advantage of the sabbath day!

From I Just Run on Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 22:35:03 from 166.205.13.94

Way to Go.....!!! Crazy improvement on your PR. I knew you were going to do it! I liked your details in your race report. Now you have something to talk to the flight attendants about on your trip...LOL

I think now you should make plans to go and run the Full Marathon with Turbo Joe and me in Oklahoma.:)

Hope you have a good trip to China.

IJR

From flatlander on Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 23:28:41 from 76.31.26.153

Smooth, thanks! I am signed up for UVM so maybe we'll meet again in June if you are doing that one. Hope you are feeling better soon.

Dan, thanks, TexMex all the way tonight, ate way too much.

Rye, yes, I was distressed at the time that he never went away, but now I'm glad he didn't.

IJR, thanks, it was a good one for me, maybe not for some certain other runners I know! I'm going to Utah to run my next one, for better or worse, my parents live there now and it is a chance to see them. Utah is beautiful, I wish they could bring it down to sea level.

From rockness18 on Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:23:26 from 75.16.160.230

Great job and congrats on the AG award!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:50:17 from 184.79.24.255

Another top AG finish, and a great PR despite some warm temps - sounds like a successful day!

You should be in line for a very nice PR at UVM. I'm jealous you will get to run a marathon in the summer.

Have a good trip next week, and keep up the great work.

From derhammer on Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 13:37:31 from 70.113.204.189

Nice job! Congrats.

From seeaprilrun on Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 19:27:25 from 72.205.227.203

Good race and way to rock your age group! Way to hang on and finish strong at the end!

From lightitup on Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 19:54:10 from 71.37.138.33

Wowzers! Oh yeah, I always say that. Well, wowzers anyway. I've never known any runner close to what you've accomplished as far as improvement. When are you going to stop and introduce yourself back into sleep/family, etc.? I'm probably just jealous; I wish I was still running.

From Byron on Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 00:21:34 from 63.248.33.6

Holy smokes! How can this be the same guy who got lost in Ogden two years ago, found wandering towards the finish line at 5 hours?? This stuff reads like a chariots of fire movie! I'll be eating your dust at the UVM (for about the first mile, thereafter the dust will have settled).

From Stephen on Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 09:57:10 from 204.182.3.235

Over achiever would be an understatement, but congratulations. Good luck in qualifying for the 2012 olympics! Maybe I'll run UVM with you if I can get in shape fast enough.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.000.000.009.00

TM indoors, so no weather report.  Didn't want to run in the cold and smog and get lost here in Beijing, so it was inside and I may stay there for the rest of the week.  The facility at the hotel was pretty good, the TMs even had TVs on them, but couldn't get any channels, maybe mine was broken.  So it was just like running outside in a way, nothing to entertain me except my own neurons and watching my form in the plate-glass window in front of me -- like I say, nothing to entertain me.  Ran for 90 minutes at 1% incline and set the speed to bring me up to low heart rate, then decreased it slightly throughout the run to compensate for heart rate drift, which was pretty mild, it has been several days since I ran.  So I think 10 minutes per mile is a pretty good estimate, which makes 9 miles worth of LHR effort.  I was the first one in and the last one out.  I guess runners have a different idea of what passes for a workout.  There were also some ellipticals in there, but I stayed far enough away that I don't think I got infected.

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From Stephen on Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:57:52 from 204.182.3.235

I didn't know elliptical machines were that bad. I used one once when I had the foot problem and I didn't have any "ill" effects.

From Rye on Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:49:48 from 71.209.42.202

Be safe on your trip. Don't wear out that treadmill.

From I Just Run on Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 16:26:29 from 166.205.14.134

Ha...I could give a weather report from me gym since they rarely turn on the AC. Sometimes its hotter and more humid inside than out and there is no breeze... I consider that harsh weather training. LOL

From PRE on Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 22:16:31 from 99.50.214.225

Hope you are enjoying yourself while out of the USA. Hope you get some outside runs in there. Loving that picture on your page of the Texas medal. Cannot get over how big that medal is.

From flatlander on Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 00:09:04 from 60.247.105.219

Stephen, they don't cause foot problems, they cause boredom, even worse than a TM.

Thanks Rye.

IJR, it even had a little blower fan dealie on it, but not much horsepower.

PRE, thanks, do you think I'm living in the past too much by keeping it up there?

From derhammer on Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:47:09 from 192.156.110.31

I have heard the smog is bad. Have a good trip.

From PRE on Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 21:58:08 from 99.50.214.225

Flatlander,

No I do not think you are living in the past too much by leaving the picture up there. You both worked for those medals. It wasn't too long ago. And they look great.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.000.000.009.00

Same exact thing as yesterday, minus the HR monitor.  My Garmin is low on batteries, I think I left it on after yesterday and I am a bit far from home to put it on the charger cradle.  I thought I could make it through four days on one charge but I guess not if I am going to do dumb things like that.  Everybody out here is panicking about radiation from Japan.  Certainly something to keep an eye on, but can't see that it presents any threat to China at this point.  Might be a little bit of politics involved.  Japan is a really good country, I was a missionary there 35 years ago.  I hope they make it through this OK.

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From Smooth on Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 13:47:22 from 67.2.103.237

You don't need Garmin when you run indoor on the TM, do you?

The Chinese pulled all their people out of Sendai and the surrounding area! The church moved all their missionaries to the other areas in Japan as well. It is such a sad thing, all those lives lost!!!

The Mortensens are back from their mission. If I remember right, your son married their grand-daughter?

Have a safe enjoyable trip in Beijing!

NICE runs, btw!

From Kelli on Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 20:23:09 from 71.219.97.85

I hope they make it through it ok, too. SCARY!

Sorry about the Garmin, that is a bummer.

From SlowJoe on Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 21:41:54 from 70.254.49.206

Nice work getting in those runs on your trip. I'm not too surprised China is freaking out, we have people all the way over here (on the west coast) buying iodide pills for crying out loud!

From I Just Run on Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 00:10:21 from 166.205.9.53

I have an idea...just blog me when you start and when you stop your run. I'll use my Garmin to track your time... :-)

From Rye on Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 09:46:04 from 174.27.118.104

I have just calculated your age.... I had a friend that served in Japan about 20 years ago. He stands 6'5" inches tall and stood out like a sore thumb. Keep up the great work and be safe.

From Kelli on Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 10:16:26 from 71.219.97.85

I was at the grocery store right after this happened and heard a lady freaking out in the pharmacy over iodine pills. I did not know why, but then I saw it on the Today Show (they were saying NOT too freak out). WOW, people are coo-koo sometimes.

From flatlander on Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 02:16:31 from 76.31.26.153

Smooth, I only wanted it for the HR readout, but decided I could go by the data I got from the first day, just set it at the same speed. Funny thing, I have never met the Mortensons, even though I have stayed at their house! I'll have to stop by when I come up for UVM in June.

Thanks Kelli, I adapted. Never really wanted to run outside anyway in all the smog, which got pretty bad toward the end of the week.

Joe, I thought about your comment on the plane today. A woman got on in San Francisco with a baby and sat by me. I asked her if she was leaving or returning. Said she lives in SF but was returning to her parents' home in Houston to keep her baby away from the fallout. Couldn't resist telling her I had just flown over the reactor. She laughed nervously and kept herself between me and the baby the rest of the way.

IJR, still thinking about that one. Isn't that kind of like counting sheep's legs and dividing by 4?

Rye, I know the sticking out feeling. The little kids used to follow us around all the time after school let out, shouting and laughing at us. Mostly we were good natured about it, but if it got too bad we would call the youngest one over and ask him in a whisper if we could eat his littlest finger, just for a quick taste. It always worked.

Kelli, they should just try throwing salt back over their shoulder. I am pretty sure there is enough iodine in salt so that would work just as well.

From Kelli on Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:09:03 from 71.219.97.85

Smooth, you KNOW everyone!!!!!

AND, I, for some reason, did not know you were coming to run UVM. I will be there (cheering and doing my usual running people in). YEAH!

I have LOTS of salt, so we are in good shape. Maybe I should go make a ring around my house with it. Wait, that keeps out ghosts or monsters or something.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.000.000.000.009.00

Same thing.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.116.000.000.0019.11

Saturday morning here in Beijing now.  One quick tourist stop and then to the airport and home through the radiation.  Made one last trip to see Mr. Treadmill this morning, 9 more at low heart rate.  It was so early when I got in that the gym didn't have many lights on, just a few lights that created a mood lighting effect.  I figured it would be just me but there was an unusual woman already in there, walking quickly on the treadmill.  She was about 50, wearing a silk blouse with tight-fitting, knee-length jeans, which was OK.  She was also wearing nylons, which was not OK.  She was also wearing high heels.  I guessed that she was in from an all-night party and had an 8:00 appointment for which she needed to be sober.  Definitely one of the more unusual running guests I have seen.  But then I reminded myself that I was wearing a hat, indoors, in the dark, and Brazilian dancing flats with a color scheme that most closely resembles the rentals at the 24-hour Bowl-a-Rama.  In light of that, I wonder what her report was this morning.

P.M. We flew directly over the reactor in Japan coming home today.  Have to wonder about United.  As I arrived back in Texas I realized that I missed Tuesday but got two Saturdays this week, so decided to go out again since it had been a full 24 hours from this "morning's" run, which was really Friday night Houston time.  I intended to do 10 at low heart rate.  But it was about 80F and my heart rate wasn't staying low with the temperature and my jet-lagged legs unless I wanted to run in the 11s, which I wasn't willing to do since the family had things planned.  After 3-1/2, I saw a guy about a quarter mile ahead and it was like a dog seeing a rabbit, my discipline was gone, almost trash talked him when I passed him but managed at least to hold that one in.  I ran the last 6 in 8:02, 7:59, 7:53, 7:46, 7:56 and 7:25.  Kind of a MP run, overall 10.11 miles in 1:27:54, average pace 8:41 per mile for the whole 10.

Pretty good week considering all the travel.  Nerves in my right leg have been bothering me for the last couple of months, the faster I run the more they hurt later in the day but usually better the next morning in time to do it again.  Driving can be painful at times.  It comes from a herniated disk I got in the summer of 2008, after an especially bad (and my last) round of golf.  That being said, the plan is to ramp it up again next week assuming my body holds up.

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From lightitup on Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 21:01:53 from 71.37.138.33

High heels and nylons on the treadmill at 0800? She needs intravenous caffeine. STAT

From Rye on Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 23:03:00 from 71.209.42.202

High heels on a treadmill....silk blouse on top of that.... hope she didn't work up too much of a sweat. If you had worn sunglasses .... well then you have gone too far.

From Dan on Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 23:12:14 from 24.209.83.20

I admit, a video of this would be comical... if that is the right choice of words

From lightitup on Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 01:44:52 from 71.37.138.33

Did you take a deep breath when you flew over the nuclear reactor site? Maybe the rest of us can start to catch up, now that you've been irradiated?

From flatlander on Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 01:59:01 from 76.31.26.153

Elaine, thanks for checking in, hope all is going well. Sorry to be ignorant, but what does "STAT" mean?

Rye, I knew I forgot something, should have gone back up to my room, I'm guessing some of the guys at her party still had their shades on at 3 a.m.

Dan, my colleague, who is from China, said women do everything in high heels there, just a cultural thing I guess.

Elaine, I was sleeping but they have that flight path screen on the TV, and when I saw it I knew I had been zapped.

From PRE on Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 17:10:24 from 99.50.214.225

Hi Flatlander,

Welcome back. Great run today. Nice pickup on the final six miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.014.000.000.0012.01

64F, 93% humidity, wind SE 5 mph, gusts to 15 mph, partly cloudy.  Very comfortable running weather, didn't feel hot to me.  I got up early and did 5.75 at low heart rate, then did the seminary run, which I will be doing for the next 4 weeks, then went back out after returning to the house, which wasn't easy.  On my second trip out I started with 1.25 transition miles, then 4 at goal marathon pace, 7:28, 7:29, 7:09 and 7:28, and 1 mile cooldown.  Didn't get any consistent heart rate readouts so I changed the battery in the strap after I finished, hopefully that was the issue.  Overall I ran 12.01 miles in 1:49:40, average pace 9:08 per mile, flat shoes.  The thought on this workout was to get both low heart rate miles and race-pace miles in the same workout, kind of an experiment between now and the next marathon.  I know I need to get a lot of LHR work in because that end of my conditioning isn't too good right now, but at the same time I don't want to give up minutes on the next race.  So this is my "cake and eat it too" plan.  I want to do some variation of this workout as often as I can, every day if possible between now and UVM.  But I felt a bone-deep fatigue when I finished, so I may have to back off depending on how I feel as the week progresses.  I have some mild cold symptoms after too much traveling and too little sleep but I don't think it will amount to much. 

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From I Just Run on Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 09:54:28 from 67.79.11.242

Hi Flatlander,

Welcome back to the "real" world...! Looks like another good workout for you. I'm also trying to find out my optimum workout plan for the next five weeks before the OK Marathon. The change in heat and humidity has seemed to throw a kink in my workout logic...endurance, times and heart rates have changes quite a bit.

From Stephen on Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 09:59:14 from 204.182.3.235

Welcome back to the United States of America. Good luck in your training for UVM. I think I'll be watching from the sidelines. As much as I'd like to run with you, there aren't enough weeks for me to get ready.

From SlowJoe on Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:09:50 from 131.59.200.82

Nice running. The fatigue is definitely radiation-related, from flying over Japan. Good luck with the plan, glad to see the MP stuff.

From PRE on Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:24:49 from 99.50.214.225

Hi Flatlander.

I remember reading somewhere that when Frank Shorter did his Long run, he ran the first ten miles at easy pace (6:00 miles) and the last ten at MP (5:00 miles).

I myself am considering that tactic. Have not done that yet to date. Mind you of course I would not be running those same paces, just the intensities...so for me 9:00-9:30s first half and 8:30s second half.

The idea being running harder on the tail end to mimic the Marathon.

From flatlander on Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 21:07:28 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, the heat is like DST, you get it all back in the fall!

Stephen, too bad about no UVM but I am guessing you will run TOU again? Or do you want to enter St. George lottery with me?

SJ, been mulling that one over today. I thought the glow was because of my bald head and bubbly personality.

PRE, I have also seen that run recommended. They also recommend dropping the last two miles to a half mary pace and the last quarter to a 5K pace. It is a tough one to pull off, I have only done it a couple of times, without the fast-fast miles at the end. They say if you can do that run you can do a marathon at your target pace.

From Dan on Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 23:46:45 from 74.143.232.74

Welcome back! I do not suppose you ran past anyone in heels?

I like your plan, be sure to catch up on rest if at all possible!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.024.000.000.0012.02

68F, 84% humidity, wind S 9-19 mph.  Hot wind blowing but it was dark so it wasn't too bad.  Ran exactly the same run as yesterday, with the seminary kid delivery in the middle, but a little bit hotter so a little bit faster.  It is way to early to be this hot.  The MP miles were 8-11: 7:33, 7:27, 7:19 and 7:15, seemed a little easier than yesterday.  But my bad back came back (after 2-1/2 years), I think it is because of going back out for the second half of the run, there are always aches and pains doing that because my joints freeze up almost the instant I stop running.  Also I have mild fever tonight, so not sure what is going to happen the rest of the week.  I think both will go away quickly if I behave.  Overall 12.02 miles in 1:47:46, average pace 8:58 per mile.

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From I Just Run on Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:55:04 from 67.79.11.242

Hope you start feeling better...I feel you pain with the back thing! Luckily I haven’t had any flair ups in several months.

From Rye on Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:54:41 from 168.103.132.84

Nothing like a blast of hot wind to take your breath away. So you are running UVM....welcome you back to the Rocky Mountain West!

From flatlander on Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:49:58 from 198.207.244.102

Preston, thanks, it is really quite unpredictable, but I think I brought it on myself when I went out too fast on the second half of my run Tuesday morning.

Rye, hey, I'm a lawyer, very comfortable in the hot air environment.

From I Just Run on Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:58:56 from 67.79.11.242

Ha...ha... the "hot air" comment is actually really funny. I chuckled as I read it... :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.660.000.000.007.66

60F, 96% humidity, wind NE 3 mph.  Beautiful morning today, may not get many more of these before summer hits for good.  Wasn't sure how my back would respond, so after taking yesterday off I ran some slow miles this morning and cut it short.  Back seems fine though -- sometimes it would tighten but it would go away as soon as I corrected my posture.  I have had a herniated disc for three years now and it bothers me sometimes.  At the time I got some stretching exercises from the physical therapist that are effective, I just don't do them when I go through long periods of no problems, there isn't enough time for everything.  Then it catches up with me and I pay for it a little bit.  The last couple of days I have been stretching my back frequently and it has helped.  No issues this morning, I will try some GMP miles tomorrow.  I have an 8K race on Saturday and should be good to go.  7.66 miles in 1:16:44, average pace 10:01 per mile, LHR and flat shoes.

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From SlowJoe on Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:59:48 from 131.59.200.80

Hey, glad it's feeling better. We've have some great running weather that I've been trying to cherish as well. 8K sounds like a fun race, looking forward to the report.

From Burt on Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:18:10 from 206.19.214.144

Good luck!

From Smooth on Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 19:37:37 from 67.2.117.28

Glad you're taking care of your back! NICE runs this week! GOOD LUCK on Sat. We don't have very many 8Ks here. That seems like a fun distance!

From Mack on Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 02:55:17 from 71.111.188.189

Good luck on Saturday! Be careful with that back issue.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.254.000.000.0010.25

No weather report, sorry about that, I know it is disappointing, just forgot to look.  It was nice, probably a little warmer than yesterday.  I had to make an 8:00 meeting downtown, which meant I was out the door early in order to finish the run before taking my daughter to seminary.  Ran 10.25 miles in 1:29:42, average pace 8:45 per mile.  Ran 5 at LHR, one transition mile, then 4 at goal marathon pace, 7:34, 7:23, 7:12 and 7:20, tellin' ya, it's a distant goal right now.  Quarter-mile jog to calm the nerves down in my leg and back, but overall my back held up well and the day is going well, so all is well in Texas.

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From derhammer on Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 15:21:31 from 192.156.110.39

So happy to hear that your back is better. Good luck tomorrow at the race.

From Smooth on Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 18:23:22 from 67.2.100.119

EXCELLENT paced run! GOOD LUCK tomorrow!

From I Just Run on Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 18:35:38 from 67.79.11.242

HAVE FUN at your race tomorrow...I'm sure you will RUN STRONG...!!!

Race: John J. Eikenburg Law Week Fun Run (5.12 Miles) 00:35:02, Place in age division: 8
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.090.005.120.0014.21

72F, 90% humidity, calm and partly cloudy.  A little warm, but generally good running weather.  Today's race is named after a lawyer who, to put it bluntly, has been dead for 15 years.  I imagine he is still in protracted negotiations at the pearly gates.  My interest in this race was that the entry fee was covered, end of discussion.  Supposedly our firm had a team put together, a meeting place and everything.  I got there early and ran 3 warmup miles, checking out the course.  It is the same downtown course that ends on a long uphill pull, which is actually possible in Houston, though it isn't all that steep once you climb out of the final underpass.  Except this course, being 5 miles instead of 3, loops back into downtown for an even longer uphill, then turns around for a slight drop into the finish chute.  Also included are two underpasses going out, and the same two coming back.  Underpasses aren't fun. 

Made my third POP stop, made it to the meeting place at the appointed time and met a colleague named Harve, and nobody else, I suppose sleeping was the better option.  I don't know Harve, but turns out he is a moderately serious marathoner who has now also bought a bike.  I got to talk to him quite a bit on the way to the start.  He said he was going to do low 8s so I assumed we wouldn't be running together unless he was lying.  He wasn't.

My goal was to do the first 3 miles at 7:00 then try to lay down the hammer on the uphill coming back.  That is pretty much what happened, although not quite the way I expected.  Harve and I were talking when all of a sudden the gun went off unannounced, like a Laurel and Hardy western.  Everyone was startled and took off.  I started a little bit too far back and had to bob and weave a little, but still got a good first mile.  My splits were 6:50, 7:15, 6:55, 6:56, 6:32 and 5:42 pace for the stub split to the finish, average pace 6:51, the best I have done at this distance.  My heart rate monitor is completely kaput, so I don't know how hard I was working.  I was on the fringes of the puke zone in the last mile, but not that deep into it, would have been interesting to see what my heart rate was.  If it had been 185 or lower I would have pushed harder, but I felt like I put in a good effort.  I was especially surprised to see the 6:32 for mile 5 because it felt like I was slowing down with the lactate buildup in my legs.  As a comparison, last fall I ran a 10K at 7:11 per mile (35F) and a 5-mile run at 7:14 per mile (77F, 5 degrees warmer than today).  Any way you slice it, today was an improvement, but 6:51 per mile at this distance translates into 7:37 per mile for the marathon distance.  Add in the fact that my marathon paces don't translate well and my true marathon pace right now is probably in the 7:45 to 7:50 range, so that is the work I have cut out for me in the next two months to get down to 7:30 at altitude.

I got 8th in the 55-59 age division but forgot to check my overall standings.  First place old guy ran 6:12 per mile, overall winner somewhere in the 5s.

PM:  Went out again before dinner for some LHR work, ran 6.09 in 1:03:39, average pace 10:27 per mile.

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From I Just Run on Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 14:07:40 from 166.205.15.27

What happened to the "dead meat" comment about the first place old guy...? I was impressed with the attitude! Great run...!!!! 10 K looks like a fun distance ill have to try it sometime. Keep it up you're inspiring me to try and get better.

I Just Run

From derhammer on Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 15:23:07 from 70.113.116.112

Sweet - great run and nice improvement!!

From Rye on Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 19:59:37 from 174.27.121.86

Super race for you! What special things did this dead lawyer do anyway? Enjoy what is left of the weekend.

From Stephen on Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 22:20:30 from 204.182.3.235

Very nicely done! Your impressive training is translating into impressive races.

Are lawyers allowed at the pearly gates? I wouldn't expect there to be much room for negotiations.

From Smooth on Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:02:35 from 67.2.100.119

CONGRATZ on a nicely done race! EXCELLENT performance and improvement! Your hard work is paying off! I see more PRs coming your way!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:16:32 from 184.79.24.255

That's an excellent pace for 5+ miles in 70+ degrees. Great job. You definitely keep getting better and better. I wonder what the temps will be like at UVM? I believe you are probably faster than you are thinking...

From flatlander on Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:09:22 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, dang, you caught me! I promised myself no end-zone celebrations and that remark was a little too close, so upon further review I reversed the ruling on the field and deleted it.

DH, same to you, congrats again on your great race yesterday.

Rye, thanks, I have no idea who he is, hopefully not a runner who collapsed during a race! I was active in the practice of law at that time and I never heard the name. He probably gave a lot of money to somebody.

Stephen, they're allowed, in fact the gate is clogged with them, all negotiating with St. Pete to the point that people with pre-stamped tickets can barely get through. St. Pete is not short on time, so they just hang around forever, kind of a mess actually.

Smooth, thanks, so glad you are back at it now, final push to Boston. I think this year's Boston is going to be a good one for you.

Joe, the temps were perfect last year, low to mid-40s and misty rain, I can hardly expect to see that again. But I'm going to take my own advice and not worry about it.

From seeaprilrun on Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 19:38:15 from 72.205.227.203

Congratulations, both on such a well-run race(talk about negative splits!) but also on such encouraging improvement!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.084.000.000.0013.08

60F, 80% humidity, wind NE 5 mph.  Very nice morning out there; the wind was a lot more than 5 mph but I didn't mind.  I am already acclimated to the heat to the point that my hands were actually cold at 60F.  (I know it opens me to all kinds of ridicule for saying it, but this is a bare-your-soul blog and the truth must be told.)  

So yesterday I finally threw away my old heart rate strap in disgust and got out a new one that came with the replacement Garmin I ordered last year.  It never worked before, which is why I had been using the old one.  Against my very nature, I surreptitiously pulled out the directions.  Even though every Y chromosome was clanging the alarm, I perservered.  In between looking over my shoulder to make sure nobody was seeing me cheat, within three minutes I found the magical word "sync", and I was on my way, the new strap is perfectly fine.  Of course I have a yet-newer one on its way from Amazon.com.  In my typical ready, fire, aim MO, I ordered the new one before sitting down to figure out the problem with the mothballed one.  So pretty soon I am going to be long on heart rate straps and CR 2032 batteries, in case anybody needs either.

Oh yes, I ran today.  I got up early for about 6.5 at low heart rate, then did the seminary run and came back to finish the run run.  I warmed up for about a mile and a half, taking care to do it very gradually unlike last week, then eased into 4 GMP miles, 7:37 (153), 7:30 (157), 7:37 (160) and 7:28 (166).  Looks like I eased into them a little too gradually, but close enough.  Would have preferred the 166 to be 156, but OK for now.  I am hoping that this will be a sustainable workout for the next few weeks, maybe even up the GMP miles to 6 or 7 if things are going well.  Did a cool-down mile at about 8:44, overall 13.08 miles in 1:57:12, average 8:58 per mile.

Hope everybody has a nice week.

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From SlowJoe on Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:30:05 from 131.59.200.82

I think all us men reading this can easily identify with you there. Nice run and a great half marathon start to your week.

From I Just Run on Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:06:49 from 67.79.11.242

Ha..Ha...no comment...!

I've been so obsessed with heart rate maybe I should by your extra and strap two on...just in case one fails :) Actually I have run my last few hard runs without even looking at heart rate. I'm beginning to be able to feel where I am in regards to effort.

Looks like you're getting a good start on the week...no aches or pains!

From lightitup on Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:32:06 from 71.37.138.33

Does humility come with age? I wouldn't know, I'm not humble yet...is it your birthday? If so, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! If not, have a great day anyway.

From Rye on Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 16:18:02 from 168.103.41.216

How dare you give in! Well, atleast your honest. Hope you were hiding from your wife when all of this happened.

From flatlander on Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 09:33:23 from 76.31.26.153

Joe, since you blow stuff up, I think we can make an exception for you. Go ahead and pull out the directions on that Acme box.

IJR, Bloggers get a 100% discount, but you have to come to my house so I can meet you.

Elaine, I am more humble than ever.

Rye, she has no idea. If she knew, next thing you know she would have me reading a recipe book when I cook.

From I Just Run on Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 09:39:39 from 67.79.11.242

What time is dinner....?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.004.000.000.0013.00

63F, 71% humidity, wind ENE 6 mph.  Good running weather, not quite as cool as yesterday but not bad at all.  Same routine, ran 6 before the seminary run then came back and went out again.  My right foot was acting up a little, so I did two transition miles instead of 1 or 1.5.  The MP miles were 7:23 (152), 7:30 (155), 7:30 (159) and 7:29 (163), so I got 3 of them under 160 today.  The slow miles were also good, averaged 9:33 and even got a 9:14.  Overall, 13.00 miles in 1:54:17, average pace 8:48 per mile, flat shoes.  Good run, keeping an eye on my foot though, it didn't recover quite enough overnight.  If it persists I may have to switch back to regular-weight shoes for a few days, which I hate to do.  It throws off my form and the slower speeds put me in a funk.  But it is hard doing flat shoes every day, too many years of civilization, takes a while to make the switch.

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From I Just Run on Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:13:12 from 67.79.11.242

I really like the weather report every day that you give. I need to find an app to give me all that information. I think it would be good in comparing past runs! Hope the foot settles down.

From Rye on Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 14:50:23 from 168.103.41.216

Great run. I switched to some light weight neutral shoes last year. I really like weightless feel. I was wondering how often you use your flats for your training runs? I have given it some thought to try some racing flats.

From derhammer on Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 16:36:15 from 65.160.26.157

Nice, I hope your foot gets better.

Do you have a chance to run on soft surfaces? I read this somewhere and it has always stuck with me. Take a golf ball and drop it on concrete or pavement, then take the ball and drop it on hard packed dirt, grass, or another soft surface. Of course, there will be an enormous difference in energy return. Now relate that to running on those surfaces. It's easy to imagine the beating that our legs take running on concrete. Sooner or later all those miles on hard surfaces will take their toll.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.534.000.000.0013.53

54F, 83% humidity, wind N 7-10 mph.  Wind felt heavier than that, but at this temperature I was in a forgiving mood.  By Saturday it will be hot again.  Feet didn't feel too bad when I got up this morning, so strapped on the flats again and it worked out OK.  Ran 6.37 miles in exactly 1 hour at low heart rate, including a 9:08 third mile, and an average of 9:28, both my best so far.  It would be way cool to get down to BQ pace at LHR, that is probably still at least a year away though, if it happens at all.  Did the seminary run and went back out again (hard for me to go back out, I need to suck it up and just do it), two warmup miles then 4 at GMP accelerating to tempo speed:  7:44 (151), 7:23 (157), 7:14 (163) and 7:04 (170), then an active cooldown mile at 8:27.

Comments
From Stephen on Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:07:02 from 204.182.3.235

Nicely done for a 56 year old. If you were only 53, it would still be nicely done.

From I Just Run on Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:10:04 from 67.79.11.242

Suck it up Man....I'm depending on you for inspiration..... :)

From SlowJoe on Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 20:13:22 from 184.79.24.255

Yeah, it's like you're doing a double, but with (I'm guessing) only a very brief time inbetween. Much more challenging, I would think. Nice run today.

From Dan on Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 23:41:55 from 24.209.83.20

Nice work pushing through! I know how hard it is to motivate yourself at those times.

From flatlander on Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:38:02 from 76.31.26.153

thanks guys, hard to tell where this is going, but hanging in there for the time being.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.084.000.000.0013.08

46F, 90% humidity, wind NNE 3 mph, clear and crisp.  Excellent running weather this morning, undoubtedly the best we will have until fall.  Same routine, I am right on the edge of cutting back or switching over to regular shoes, but went with the flats again today.  It was OK until I went out for the second half, literally 1.5 miles before heel/Achilles pain went away, it is hard on injury zones to stop and then re-start the run.  But it did go away finally, so I was able to speed up and do my fast splits on schedule, 7:37 (151), 7:27 (156), 7:31 (159) and 7:15 (165).  Would really like to up these to 6 or 7 a day, but I am afraid right now I can't sustain that -- everything works fine except for my right foot, would be great to be able to figure that one out.  Why that foot and not the other one?  Actually, I think I know, it is where I still have the numbness from my herniated disc three years ago and somehow the nerve damage translates into joint/tendon/ligament damage -- either that or my gait changes to compensate and puts more stress on that foot.  One way or the other it is related; golf is a dangerous sport when you have a swing like mine.  LHR miles were also good, average pace 9:32, overall 13.08 miles in 1:55:01, average 8:49 per mile. 

Comments
From I Just Run on Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 13:19:45 from 67.79.11.242

43 Degrees here with low humidity....I had to go back to my heavy running clothes (underarmor, tights, glooves, etc.). It would have been really nice but now I have a knee bothering me... These aches and pains are getting in the way of OUR greatness aren't they...!

I Just Run (or I may be walking if my knee doesn't quit hurting!)

From SlowJoe on Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 14:24:50 from 131.59.200.80

Nice temps in Abilene too, glad the running gods are spreading the wealth. Hope you figure out the foot thing; it's probably a good sign that it goes away.

From allie on Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 22:15:21 from 174.23.241.50

sorry about your foot -- but great running! nice MP miles and solid mileage so far this week.

From Stephen on Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 10:10:05 from 204.182.3.235

I can hardly believe how fast you've become. I hope you don't get injured with going back out.

From Rye on Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 10:33:10 from 174.27.121.86

Nice run flat. Bummer about the foot though. Side note: I worked as an assistant pro at our local golf course for a couple of years in my younger days.. golf is dangerous in more ways than a crappy swing.. I have plenty of stories about that! Great place to get into trouble.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.064.000.000.0016.06

60F, 90% humidity, calm then freshening ESE wind, foggy.  Pretty good running weather.  Did it backwards today, 2 mile warmup then 4 miles at GMP:  7:29 (152), 7:17 (157), 7:23 (163) and 7:09 (167), active cooldown for 1 mile then did the seminary delivery.  45-minute break altogether.  Then the thought on the second run was to compare LHR pace to earlier in the week.  Turns out it was about 20-25 seconds per mile slower than doing the same miles on the front end.  After a couple of miles my legs were warmed up again and I felt pretty good, even got a 9:29, had extra time so I kept going for a few extra miles.  Toward the end my LHR pace slowed into the 10:20 range.  Overall 16.06 miles in 2:29:17, average pace 9:14 per mile, flat shoes.  Right achilles is sore now, but no worse than yesterday.  Not sure what I am going to do tomorrow, kind of day-to-day right now.

Comments
From Rye on Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 22:55:02 from 71.209.6.105

Man, way to get the miles in. Run before the early session and after the afternoon. Have a great weekend.

From I Just Run on Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 23:26:12 from 166.205.15.53

Wow Flatlander ... you'be really been pounding out the miles...good work!

From Stephen on Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 11:30:10 from 174.52.135.96

Great run(s)!

From flatlander on Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 15:16:00 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks everybody, have a good weekend!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.343.000.000.0021.34

68F, 94%, ESE 5 mph to start, 70F, 88% and calm at the end.  Nice summer running temperatures.  Ran 21.34 miles in 3:22:29, average pace 9:28 per mile, flat shoes.  Left the house at 4:30 and ran to Wade's house, met him there and we continued to the Y, all at low heart rate pace, managed to hold LHR through 8 or 9 miles.  Met the group at the Y just as they were leaving and we ran with them for 4 or 5 miles then ran back to Wade's house where I re-filled my water.  Then continued on my own, accelerating into 3 MP miles, 7:57 (154), 7:36 (167) and 7:30 (173).  Very difficult for me this morning in the heat and at the end of the run, thought I could do 4 but couldn't.  But I know what I have to do on long runs now, the end is where the secret sauce is.  Ran a couple of recovery miles, came home, ate breakfast, iced my Achilles and took a nap.  Almost mobile again this afternoon, but very glad tomorrow is a rest day.  Headed to Temple to see my granddaughters and watch my daughter in a piano concert tonight, then to San Marcos tomorrow to visit my other daughter and then to San Antonio for an off-site Monday and Tuesday, so I will have to figure out new running trails while I am there.  Happy weekend all.

Comments
From I Just Run on Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 16:01:52 from 166.205.14.25

Hey Flatlander

Great MONSTER week! You're coming to my country...I basically live in San Marcos...just a few miles out. Too bad I can't run right now or I'd meet you for a short run. :)

From Dan on Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 23:50:12 from 24.209.83.20

Great mileage this week! Well done and congrats on the nap!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 10:52:57 from 184.79.24.255

Did you really just run 90 miles this week?? Nice job, and great effort on this long run as well. I like to do the fast finish on those too.

From PRE on Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 22:17:30 from 99.50.214.225

Flatlander,

Nice report. And some serious mileage! Good splits and pickup as well - especially given the heat.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.013.000.000.008.01

On treadmill at hotel.  Went to meetings all day, then caught an hour before dinner, so did a quick 8 on the TM.  Was going to do LHR, but decided I didn't have time, so did one at 6 mph, 3 at 7 mph, 3 at 8 mph and one cool-down.  Took about 68 minutes, TM did not like me going past an hour; it would slow down to 4.5 mph every minute and I had to speed it back up, like a car with a bad engine, but I finally finished.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.850.000.000.0012.85

40F, 60%, NW 3 mph.  Yesterday there was a hot, 35 mph wind all day, which contributed to my treadmill decision last night.  Today I got up on time but didn't really know what to do.  Looked at the computer and it showed 40F outside, almost drove me to the TM again since I had no long-sleeves or gloves, but decided not to waste the day and I'm glad I didn't.  I ran outside and it was magical.  With low humidity it wasn't cold, just ran at low heart rate and explored.  Lots of hills, since this hotel is in the Texas hill country, but I just went up and down for over two hours.  Kept a very low heart rate the whole time (less than 125) except for a few of the steeper hills.  All of my splits were in the 10:10 to 10:30 range, very slow but got the job done.  Back in Houston now.  We have cooler temperatures here in the morning, then back to 70+ for the remainder of the week at least, probably longer.  Hopefully I can get a good run in the morning since it may be my last chance for a while.

Comments
From Rye on Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:02:01 from 71.209.6.105

Great run. Don't you just love hills some days! Somebody mentioned on the blog that we (runners) need to think about wind as a great workout, without the cost of a parachute...

From Dan on Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:34:58 from 24.209.83.20

Nice work - gotta love getting away from those tread mills!

From Kelli on Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 22:59:12 from 71.219.97.85

Crazy weather everywhere. I would like some 70's for longer than a day!!!!

Nice run, that is impressive that you kept your heart rate so low. Mine goes crazy!!!

From Stephen on Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 00:45:32 from 174.52.135.96

I love Austin and I love the girl I found there.

From flatlander on Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 10:06:43 from 76.31.26.153

Rye, never liked the wind, used to have it all the time in high school. You're right though, it probably would have been good for me.

Dan, the contrast between TM the night before and the morning run outside couldn't have been greater.

Kelli, you gave me an idea. If they had low heart rate marathons I might actually become competitive. Now that they have chip timing it would be a short step to run everybody's heart rate into a central computer and deliver a harmless but startling electric shock every time somebody tried to run faster.

Stephen, I love him too, sometimes. But mostly I wish he would just go to college and get started on his life.

From Kelli on Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 10:16:58 from 71.219.97.85

OH MAN, I would be in some serious pain from the electrical shocks! Mine is more in the 150 range, but that is just on your average day!!! Who knows where it would be during a marathon, especially at the start----i do not find any kind of groove for about 6-7 miles.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.076.000.000.0012.07

47F, 87%, SE 1 mph, clear and crisp.  This will undoubtedly be the best running day until November, plus I had no seminary run, so I did it uninterrupted.  I toyed with the idea of taking advantage of the ideal conditions by running to failure, such as 15 miles at GMP, but decided to be a bit more prudent, save something for the rest of the week.  So I ran 3 at LHR, 1 transition, then 6 at GMP and 2 cooldown at about 10 flat.  Altogether 12.07 miles in 1:43:02, overall pace 8:32 per mile, flat shoes.  The GMP miles were 7:30 (157), 7:29 (161), 7:23 (165), 7:28 (167), 7:28 (168) and 7:21 (170).  Truth is my fast miles felt awkward, never was able to get into a smooth rhythm and the higher heart rates show it.  But I got it done and lived to run another day.  I am wondering whether I should be doing these faster.  For a 7:30 MP target, tempo runs should be in the high 6s to low 7s, but on the other hand tempo runs are not recommended for every day.  I am trying to run these daily in order to acclimate myself to the pace -- unusual I know, but maybe it is OK to stay at 7:30, have to think about it and see how my legs feel later today.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 10:25:21 from 131.59.200.82

I bet you could do a little 7:30 every day, but maybe keep the tempo to once or twice a week, spaced out. Nice running. I gotta believe they will get easier the more you do.

From I Just Run on Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 13:17:35 from 67.79.11.242

Good run Flatlander,

Could you run a couple of extra for me? I'd even take the slowest of your miles so you wouldn't have to post them :)

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 09:24:12 from 76.31.26.153

Joe, I think you are right. Honestly, 7:30 is probably a little ambitious for me right now as a marathon pace, probably more like my tempo pace. It's a little bit of a mind game I guess. I ran about 7:24 this morning and felt like I was getting into a groove of sorts, but not a marathon groove. Part of the game is to keep it up when you are tired, so as long as I can sustain it I'll just keep pushing.

Preston, don't offer to take my slow miles, I have too many of them, they will put you into a deep funk. Hope you are feeling better today?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.344.000.000.007.34

64F, 88%, SSE 5 mph, cloudy and getting ready to do something.  Started early this morning, two warmup, 4 at GMP, 7:39 (157), 7:24 (161), 7:21 (167) and 7:21 (171), then cooldown.  I woke up with a cramp in my right hamstring and my legs felt sluggish from the start, but by the end of the fast laps I was feeling more in the groove.  The good thing is no specific injuries at the moment, just general aches and pains from training at a high percentage of capacity.  My heart rate was high from the beginning as well but not high enough to slow me down on a short run like this.  I am hoping to get some hill work in tonight on the treadmill, time to start doing that.  Overall 7.34 miles in 1:01:29, average pace 8:22 per mile, flat shoes.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 11:06:29 from 131.59.200.80

Curious to see your HR on Monday after a day off and fresher legs. That might give you a better picture of your fitness since you're beating them up a little every day and running a lot of miles on tired legs.

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 15:12:12 from 198.207.244.102

Yeah, unless I do an ambitious run on Saturday, but I haven't really decided yet. If I run hard and long on Saturdays, it usually takes me until Wednesday to get my best LHR pace back.

From I Just Run on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 15:18:02 from 166.205.13.177

I'm just amazed at how you can maintain the speed for so long at the higher heart rate. I know its different for everyone but above about 160 I'm stressing.

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 15:20:23 from 198.207.244.102

I can't come close to your LHR speed, I really think it is a physiological thing.

From seeaprilrun on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 15:32:37 from 72.205.227.203

The heart rate data is really interesting. So..160 is basically your marathon pace heart rate? What does LHR stand for? It's crazy how some people are stressed at a heart rate that feels comfortable for others. Generally speaking, will you have a higher or lower heart rate with age while exercising?

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 15:53:55 from 198.207.244.102

April, sorry for the confusion, LHR is my own made-up acronym for "low heart rate", I just got tired of typing it out. For me, LHR is 125-132. I run slow at that pace (9:30 on a good day), Preston runs very fast at the same heart rate.

For me, 160 in the first 10 miles is a sustainable marathon pace, meaning if I can find a pace that keeps me at or under 160 for 10 miles, I have been able for the last two marathons to hold that pace through the end, even though my heart rate by the time I finish drifts up to around 170-175. I find keeping track like that useful because it is a way to have a decent race on a not-so-good day, but any other runner using this method would have to come up with their own heart rates, and trial and error is the only way I know how. (I ran UVM last year at about 170 for the first half and couldn't sustain it.)

According to the literature I have read, heart rate actually slows down when you get older. My statistical max should be about 165 (220 minus age), instead it is at 190-195. I have no idea what it was when I was younger, so I can't confirm the slowing down theory for me. They say it also gets slower as you get more fit, but I am skeptical of that -- seems just as likely to me that people who are more fit are no longer in the habit of using all of their heart rate reserve.

From I Just Run on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 16:05:23 from 166.205.13.177

I measured my max heart rate at 183 about 8 months ago but now can't get it to 180 now ...and I've tried really really hard. I'm 50 years old.

ICR

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.353.800.000.0016.15

72F, 88% SSE 6 mph, cloudy but doin' nothin.  Good morning for losing weight while you run.  Got up very early and ran 9 slow before the seminary run, then came back and warmed up for 2 more, then tried to do 4 GMP miles, pulled up at 3.8 because my right hamstring started to hurt, same spot as it cramped yesterday morning.  Discretion over valor, live to run another day, etc., etc.  The 3 I did do were 7:39 (161), 7:31 (168) and 7:27 (174), don't know the pace on the 0.8 split.  1.35 cooldown.  I was hitting 180 bpm on the 4th one before I pulled up, heat and accumulation of fast miles this week are starting to take their toll.  I now know what my long run is going to be like tomorrow: slow.  It isn't too bad doing miles at this pace periodically, but it is a different feel to do them every day.  If I manage to pull off a marathon at this pace I will feel like I have earned it -- this is hard work.

Overall 16.15 miles in 2:34:17, average pace 9:33 per mile, flat shoes.

My biker friend (he is out there every morning and we exchange greetings every 6 months) found a biker buddy this morning, so I guess it is over for us.  But I know he'll come back when he gets tired of the new guy.

Comments
From Smooth on Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 10:44:11 from 67.2.74.200

Just got caught up with your week! WOW!!! check out all those MP miles! Your training is AWESOME!!!

From I Just Run on Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 11:02:12 from 166.205.14.70

Flatlander

I'm a little worried about you... Hanging out with bikers and such, next thing you know you'll be getting a runner tattooed across your chest!

ICR

From Burt on Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 14:42:03 from 206.19.214.144

Sorry about your loss.

From flatlander on Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 09:02:13 from 76.31.26.153

Smooth, thanks, always a struggle to figure out how much is enough but not too much.

IJR, thanks for your concern. What is the proper term anyway, self-propelled cyclists?

Burt, thanks, sniff sniff.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.830.000.000.0010.83

72F, 82%, SSE 7 mph.  Almost identical day to yesterday, except that I got 8 hours of sleep.  Woke up late and headed out for a quick long run in time to get back for the big day with my granddaughters.  The older one was already up, agenda ready, by the time I got back.  10.83 miles in 1:48:34, average pace 10:01 per mile, low heart rate.  I compared this run to the low heart rate part of yesterday's run and I think the only variable is the amount of sleep I got.  Full 8 hours for this one, about 5 hours for Friday's run.  Here is the comparison:

Mile

04.08.11

72°, 88%

04.09.11

72°, 82%

1

10:49

(123)

10:59

(118)

2

10:06

(127)

9:50

(127)

3

10:09

(128)

9:42

(131)

4

10:09

(129)

9:37

(131)

5

10:14

(128)

10:08

(131)

6

10:06

(130)

9:56

(131)

7

10:15

(130)

9:52

(132)

8

10:17

(130)

9:56

(132)

9

10:13

(132)

10:02

(132)

Average

10:13

10:00

 I recall feeling refreshed at the Richmond Marathon when I woke up late and strolled to the starting line about 10 minutes before the gun.  There must be something to this sleep thing.

I intended to get on the treadmill later in the day and start my hill climbing sessions, but I had other things to do today.  If you don't get it done first thing in the morning it probably won't get done.  Here is a partial record of the day's busy activities in the strawberry patch and other locations:

So that's my excuse.  Happy weekend all.

Comments
From Smooth on Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:40:57 from 67.2.74.200

thanks for the scientific findings in the benefits of SLEEP!!!

I LOVE LOVE LOVE your OTHER activities of the day! Granddaughters are the BEST!!!! :) :) :) :) :)

From I Just Run on Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 15:30:31 from 166.137.9.246

Great excuse....hills aren't really that important ate they...? Really cute kids!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 15:38:10 from 184.79.24.255

Looks like a perfect day, enjoy the rest of the weekend. Interesting comparison on the HR and pace.

From Dan on Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 23:59:41 from 24.209.83.20

Could not think of a better excuse - sounds like a great day!

From Stephen on Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 00:37:17 from 174.52.135.96

With grandkids like that, it sounds like excuses for running are needed more than excuses for playing with them!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.044.000.000.0014.04

72F, 81%, WSW 4 mph.  So much for the cold front, not bad running weather though.  At least the wind is swinging to the west, which is where our cooler weather comes from.  Another bifurcated run, 5.8 at LHR prior to taking my daughter to seminary, average pace 9:45 per mile; then restart with 1.2 warmup, accelerating into 4 at GMP:  7:14 (161), 7:24 (166), 7:27 (169) and 7:21 (175); then 1 mile cooldown and that was it.  Overall 12.04 miles in 1:46:27, average pace 8:51, flat shoes.  Hoping to get some TM ups and downs tonight, finally.

PM:  2 miles on TM, 3% up and 3% down, beginning my hill work for UVM.

Comments
From I Just Run on Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:29:55 from 67.79.11.242

Flatlander...you're like a machine...!

Cute profile picture...!

From SlowJoe on Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:48:09 from 184.79.24.255

We got a little cooling off today, maybe tomorrow you'll get some of it. Gonna get out the old law books and make some declines on the TM?

From Dan on Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 22:13:40 from 24.209.83.20

Way to keep the miles up! Whens your next race?

From flatlander on Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 23:02:15 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, thanks, I also thought I looked pretty good.

Joe, my son just texted me with a weather report. Can't wait.

Dan, I am running the Utah Valley Marathon on June 11. It is a net downhill course, but has uphills as well, starts at 6000 feet and ends at 4500 feet. So it has everything I don't have in Houston: up, down and altitude, lots of ways to screw up. I ran it last year and did OK but not great, hoping to be better prepared this time.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.034.000.000.0013.03

52F, 77%, NW 3mph, cool and clear.  Matchless running weather, joggers out in droves this morning.  Did my normal workout, 6 before at low heart rate (9:42 average), break for seminary run, then 2 more warmup, 4 at GMP (7:35 (157), 7:35 (160), 7:23 (163) and 7:07 (168)), finished with 1 cooldown.  Total 13.03 miles in 1:56:48, average pace 8:48.  I did some stretches during the break and that seemed to help.  Maybe I should go back to that a little more than I have been.

Talking to my younger son this morning as we ate our respective healthy breakfasts -- he is a bodybuilder, although he has lost some weight and is trying to get more into running.  Now that he is down to the last two months of his senior year he is starting to think about college.  He asked if I thought it would be a good idea to take a business class the first year instead of all straight requirements.  I told him to go for it, but why the sudden interest?  Turns out he was talking to the owner at the local GNC store who is apparently raking it in, saving up for a 911 Turbo.  My son says there are lots of idiots out there, just like he was when he first started buying that stuff, and he wants to be a seller instead of a buyer.  Progress.

Comments
From I Just Run on Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 09:59:27 from 67.79.11.242

Good run......

Priceless conversation.....!!!

From Dan on Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 23:03:19 from 24.209.83.20

Funny how selling earns more than buying... Nice miles man

From SlowJoe on Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 23:09:30 from 184.79.24.255

Nice weather, nice run!

Being able to buy a cool car is a fine reason to go to college. That was #2 on my list after meeting girls.

From Dan on Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 23:20:57 from 24.209.83.20

Joe- for just a moment I thought you said girls was the #2 reason. Happy I read that wrong, respecting the priorities.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.014.000.000.0016.01

50F, 80%, calm and clear.  Another great running morning.  Got out the door early and did 3 easy, 1 transition and 4 at GMP:  7:43 (156), 7:25 (161), 7:29 (163) and 7:19 (166) (average 7:29), 1 cooldown.  Break for seminary run, then finish up with 5 LHR (10:30 to 10:45 per mile on fatigued legs), overall 14.01 miles in 2:11:25, average pace 9:23 per mile, flat shoes. 

Had to get done early to be sitting in the dentist chair at 8 sharp, where they started with a blood pressure reading, approximately 55 minutes after finishing my run:  113/53.  Apparently you don't normally have a 60 point spread (aka pulse pressure) between diastolic and systolic, more like 40.  But apparently it is also the case that runners have bigger pulse pressures.  Wikipedia, which I consider the final authority, has this to say:

Usually, the resting pulse pressure in healthy adults, sitting position, is about 40 mmHg.  The pulse pressure increases with exercise due to increased stroke volume, healthy values being up to pulse pressures of about 100 mmHg, simultaneously as total peripheral resistance drops during exercise. In healthy individuals the pulse pressure will typically return to normal within about 10 minutes. For most individuals, during aerobic exercise, the systolic pressure progressively increases while the diastolic  remains about the same. In some very aerobically athletic individuals, for example distance runners, the disastolic will progressively fall as the systolic increases. This behavior facilitates a much greater increase in stroke volume and cardiac output at a lower mean arterial pressure and enables much greater aerobic capacity and physical performance. The diastolic drop reflects a much greater fall in total peripheral resistance of the muscle arterioles in response to the exercise (a greater proportion of red versus white muscle tissue).

That's just what I was thinking.  (Actually, I have no idea whether it explains anything about my high pulse pressure reading.)

PM:  2 miles hill work on TM.  Legs were killing me all day, but they felt good once I got going a little bit.  Kind of sad that I have to run to feel better.

Comments
From I Just Run on Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 16:55:21 from 67.79.11.242

Ha...ha...when I went to the doctor last week the nurse, after taking my blood pressure and pulse, had a funny look on her face and then asked "have you been feeling alright?" She said my blood pressure and pulse was really low.

IJR

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 09:34:51 from 76.31.26.153

You should have told her the truth: "No, I feel crappy, I go out and run myself silly every morning, the only time I don't is when I am injured, in which case I feel even crappier."

From I Just Run on Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 09:46:14 from 67.79.11.242

Hey....I know that crappy feeling and that crappier feeling even better... :)

IJR

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.820.002.500.0013.32

71F, 86%, calm and cloudy.  Summer temperatures today but wasn't too bad until later in the run.  I started with the normal routine, 6 at LHR, average pace 10:00, then took daughter to seminary.  For the second half I did 2 warmup, then 10 x 400 with 400 rest intervals.  I had to stop after 8 for a drink and really didn't want to go again, I knew I would get nauseous on the last two and I did.  Heart rate wasn't that high, but this workout took me to my limit, unexpectedly.  Interval paces (converted to 1 mile) and heart rates were 6:41 (164), 6:33 (163), 6:33 (169), 6:24 (170), 6:36 (170), 6:28 (172), 6:30 (172), 6:39 (173), 7:05 (168) and 6:54 (171).  Goal was 6:20 average, didn't come close, the last two were lost causes.  Total run was 13.32 miles in 2:02:17, average pace 9:11 per mile, flat shoes.

In a way, this should have been expected.  I am purposely running tired this week; the training load is starting to accumulate.  Plus it was a warm morning and the intervals were not begun until I had run 8 miles, albeit at a slow pace.  Still, it is humbling to reach your limit before you expect to.  At the same time, I'm glad I did the last two even though they stunk -- someday I'll need to make a withdrawal from that account.

Comments
From Dan on Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 09:41:14 from 24.209.83.20

Nice work- and you are correct, when it comes time to make a withdrawal, it will be there for you.

From SlowJoe on Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:38:51 from 184.79.24.255

Nice job. That's kind of what I say to myself when I'm flailing around pathetically at the end of a workout...this better be worth it...

From derhammer on Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:58:08 from 192.156.110.39

Way to tough it out! I agree, the last intervals are always difficult. Sometimes I think it is the middle ones that are mentally the hardest. That's when it starts to hurt but you know you are only half way through.

From flatlander on Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 18:15:57 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks guys, I should be getting a bank statement any day now.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.044.000.000.0015.04

74F, 85%, SW 12mph.  It was supposed to be high 40s this morning, guess they missed that one by a little.  Same basic run.  Out early for 6, then seminary deliveries, then back for 7 more, including 4 at GMP:  7:34 (156), 7:17 (164), 7:26 (168) and 7:21 (172), then 1 active cooldown, overall 13.04 miles in 1:58:21, average 9:05 per mile, flat shoes.  I assumed at the end of the week I would have trouble hitting the fast miles, especially after yesterday's pretty hard run, but it wasn't a problem.  Either I'm developing a tolerance to the pace or it just seemed slower after running (mostly) in the mid-6s yesterday.  Probably a little of both.  But closest equivalent on pacing and temperature was Monday, and heart rate today was a little better, so maybe there is some progress, too early to tell.  Did some stretching after the run, I feel better today over yesterday.  Might get in some more TM work tonight.

PM, two miles TM hill work, legs felt fine.

Comments
From I Just Run on Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 18:33:09 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Flatlander,

You're just killing the milage. How many miles are you intending to work up to? Oh how I would like to run 70 miles in a week! I think you and Der Hammer are competing for the top spot on the Milage Board :)

From flatlander on Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 19:26:06 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks Preston, I really don't have a mileage goal, kind of experimenting on that right now. Whatever level I settle out at, I'm trying to run each mile either slow or fast until I stop getting results. The one exception to that rule might be the long run, which is traditionally done at a somewhat medium speed. It is the mainstay of most training approaches, but also the one being questioned the most right now. All the uncertainty keeps it interesting.

From Dan on Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 22:29:00 from 24.209.83.20

I hear what you are saying with the uncertainty, but it sure sounds like you are hitting your groove.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.130.000.000.0018.13

48F, 78%, calm and clear.  Weather could not possibly be one bit better, it was almost magical out there.  I left the house at 4:29 and ran down to the Y to meet up with Wade and the rest of the group at about 6.  Got there early, running very low heart rate which in the cool air worked out to about a 10-minute pace.  Nobody there yet, so I went out for another small loop.  They had arrived and were just leaving on the run when I got back.  Wade and one of his friends from his previous work place led out, chattering away.  I met a guy named Stan who is about my age (OK, three years younger, but close enough) and we hung back just a little and talked running war stories.  He doesn't run marathons anymore, but his PR is a little better than mine, which I say makes him a good runner. 

With all the talking I kept thinking that the pace had picked up quite a bit, checked my watch and sure enough, we were in the low 8s.  Stan turned back after 4 miles and I sped up and caught Wade and his friend.  We went another mile then turned back and booked it in, we were in the 7s by the time we finished, the last quarter about mid-6s.  It was one of those mornings you don't want to miss, so much fun, made me grateful to be a runner.  Total 18.13 miles in 2:48:47, average pace 9:19 per mile, flat shoes.

When we got back to the Y they were setting up for a fun run.  We never did find out how far they were running, but we took a clue by the location of the first water stop, just to the right of the start line below.  We skipped the fun run.

Comments
From Rye on Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 13:07:46 from 71.32.181.43

Sounds magical.... Enjoy the moment. 48 degrees and no wind...wow! Way to keep that mileage up. You are amazing.

From rockness18 on Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 13:08:16 from 75.16.160.230

Wow...great week of running! You've topped the leaderboard as well.

From SlowJoe on Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 14:53:47 from 184.79.24.255

They say never skip a water stop, but wow...

Nice job on another great week, I love those kinds of runs.

From PRE on Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 22:20:31 from 99.50.214.225

Hi Flatlander,

You are putting in some amazing mileage. Do you have any races scheduled?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.040.004.000.0013.04

71F, 87%, S 8 mph, cloudy, but ain't gonna get no rain today.  Nice running weather though.  Started with 6 low heart rate miles at 9:36 per mile, then took my daughter to seminary.  Going back out, my legs felt good after a day off, so I promptly trashed them:  2 warmup miles then 4 tempo miles at 7:07 (163), 7:00 (171), 7:01 (177) and 7:07 (180), 1 mile active cooldown.  Not sure what the overall program looks like for this week.  Trying to keep the long + hard stuff going, but my schedule will be messed up beginning Wednesday, plus I have a 5K on Saturday, so playing it by ear.

My daughter on the way to seminary said she admires my effort, but why do I do it?  In particular she thinks it's crazy to get up not that far past the middle of the night, 6 days a week.  This from a teenager who gets up at 5 every morning to make seminary at 6, probably harder for her than for an old guy like me.  I can give long answers all day long, but I don't have a good simple answer, other than being addicted to the endorphins -- there must be something more noble than that?

Comments
From derhammer on Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:15:52 from 192.156.110.39

Nice run!

Well, if you think of a better reason let me know. I don't even try to explain to people, and I am sort of embarrassed to even talk about how many miles I run to non-runners. Maybe it's "to see how far I can push my body and mind."

From SlowJoe on Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 13:28:18 from 131.59.200.80

Excellent tempo run. I agree you can't let your legs off the hook for too long or they'll get soft on ya.

I've never thought much about why I'm running, but maybe I will now...

From I Just Run on Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 14:25:53 from 67.79.11.242

I Just Run....Because I can...!

If you haven't seen this youtube video, you should watch it...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5MHsO-JI8

From Rye on Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 18:26:08 from 174.27.65.38

We are all strange human beings. Aren't we all lucky!

From flatlander on Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 08:53:49 from 76.31.26.153

Good responses, thanks all.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.244.000.000.0015.24

74F, 84%, S 7mph.  Another good running day.  Ran for an hour before seminary at low heart rate, 9:55 average pace, dropped my daughter off and ran another 40 minutes, including 4 miles at GMP:  7:35 (155); 7:33 (160); 7:22 (167); and 7:18 (172).  Total 11.24 miles in 1:40:07, average pace 8:55 per mile, flat shoes.  Evening 4.0 on TM, hill work.  Tomorrow I am teaching seminary, plus my car is in the shop so I am running my son around, not sure when I will run.  Daughter is bringing in granddaughters tonight for a quick trip, so all is not lost.

Comments
From Burt on Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 22:05:47 from 72.223.90.79

Man, you're getting fast. Great run!

From Dan on Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 23:46:46 from 65.48.45.194

Well done, you keep plugging away at those miles, it is bound to pay off

From flatlander on Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 08:52:23 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks Burt, not sure I'm very fast yet but maybe someday.

Dan, hope you are right. Some would say I'm just wearing myself out, they might be right. I'm tired today, that's for sure.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.354.000.000.007.35

75F, 83%, SSE 5 mph.  Wind was blowing hard at times, which wasn't indicated in the weather report, seems like it is trying to rain.  We are having a drought through most of Texas and could really use some rain.  I had to teach seminary this morning, so was out the door very early to try to get in at least the core of the run.  Did 2 LHR miles, 1 transition, then 4 at GMP, 7:36 (155), 7:20 (162), 7:24 (168) and 7:27 (172).  Right hamstring kept trying to cramp and it is still stiff, have to watch that.  Might get in some more TM work later today.

Comments
From I Just Run on Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:52:25 from 67.79.11.242

Less than 15 miles ...? Something is wrong ... Oh wait, I see the TM note at the end of your log. I was getting worried :)

From derhammer on Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 13:23:26 from 192.156.110.34

Even though I don't like the TM I can see a lot of benefits for having one at the house. I don't know where to put one, though.

From SlowJoe on Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 15:34:59 from 131.59.200.82

TM is about the only way you can do hill work in Houston unless you go to the landfill and run on piles of trash. That is the one time I might pick the TM.

From Huans32 on Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 08:54:34 from 138.64.8.53

Well up here in Ut we are having anything but a drought. I will see what we can do about sending some of our rain your way.:)

Great run btw.

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 23:10:24 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks guys, unfortunately no treadmill, the day deteriorated quickly. Got some on Thursday.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

Schedule completely out of control today, taught seminary, picked up cars from the garage, early meetings at work, etc.  Settled down this afternoon but I'm not really into running in the heat in the middle of the day.  So I settled for 6 hill miles on the TM this evening, 3 up, 3 down, 3% grade each way.  Really hope doing this regularly helps me on the UVM course.  Trying to decide what to do tomorrow.  It is a holiday and I have a 5K on Saturday, so tomorrow would be an ideal day for a long run, but not sure I want to sacrifice my 5K time for a long run.  I'll just get up and play it by ear.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.054.000.000.0018.05

74F, 82%, SSE 6 mph and clearing.  Sky was clear by the time I finished.  It is Good Friday, no work today, slept until I woke up and decided to just do a regular run, but all in one session today due to the holiday.  Ran 6 LHR at about 9:55 per mile.  Second mile was 9:36 and had high expectations but the heat caught up to me pretty quickly.  Then 1 transition mile, 8:27 and 4 at GMP:  7:26 (163), 7:23 (169), 7:22 (175) and 7:27 (177), then 1 mile active cooldown.  Weight to start: 161; at end: 157.  In between I drank 1.5 pounds of liquid, so that is how much we sweat down here.

As I was thinking about my weight at about mile 6, it occurred to me that my best mile time right now is probably pretty close to 6 minutes flat.  In high school, the last time I ran seriously, I only broke 5 minutes one time, never consistently, so right now I am about a minute slower but 25 pounds heavier.  So the thing I realized (as I was running along at mile 6 with nothing else to do) is that if I had run with a 25-pound backpack in high school, it is unlikely I would broken 6 minutes, much less 5.  Looking at it that way, I am as fast now as then if I would lose more weight.  That is the rub, though.  Friends and family who are used to the old 200-pound me aren't really too thrilled about how skinny I am already.  If I went down to 135 they would probably stage an intervention.

PM:  6 hill training on TM.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:45:48 from 184.79.24.255

135 sounds pretty sickly, but I saw something about how much those distance runners weigh and it seems all the best are between 120-140 (maybe they are short too?). I would definitely get some kind of intervention as well, if I approached those kind of numbers.

From RivertonPaul on Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:59:36 from 67.42.27.114

You are looking so good. Impressive weight loss, really.

From Dan on Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 20:15:41 from 24.209.83.20

How tall you are is a big deal. They say 2 2 secs a pound, but idk. I think your loss is impressive too. Nice run!

From I Just Run on Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 20:34:33 from 166.205.15.133

Funny you talk about how much fluid is lost in the heat. I ran today and lost 6 pounds...It was a disaster. Haven't hat time to log the details but I sure learned what NOT to do. Now I just need to figure out WHAT to do! In short I sure didn't get faster ad I lost 6 pounds.

I "Still" Just Run

From flatlander on Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:33:37 from 76.31.26.153

Joe, it's all theoretical anyway, I haven't lost any more weight in a while, despite running higher miles recently. Would be really nice to drop 5 for the next marathon, just might make the difference.

Thanks Paul, so good to see you back in the saddle.

Dan, that seems about right, would put me close to a 5-minute mile if my math is right. I'm 6'0", so 135 is very skinny, but that was my weight at the same height back in my prime, so long ago.

IJR, now I have to go out and see if I can lose 6.5 pounds of precious body fluids, thanks a lot!

Race: Hippety ROC 5K aka Just be Glad You Didn't Run the Half (3.11 Miles) 00:21:18
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.003.110.0016.11

75F, 82%, S 9-25 mph.  I ran 6 TM miles last night, foregoing any pretense of anything but a pure train-through for this race.  Turned out to be a great decision, because this was a forgettable day.  This race is in a large community called Bridgeland, out on the plains west of Houston, converted rice paddies and pretty much flat.  Used to be prime territory for hunting ducks and geese; good thing I didn't have a shotgun with me.  It is an inaugural 5K/Half and it showed.  Got a queasy feeling when I read some of these gems from the race rules that were sent out yesterday:

"All chips must be surrendered at the finish line.  You will be responsible and required to pay Cadence Sports cost of $109 if you do not return your chip at the finish line."  [Really?  $109?]

"Bandits; otherwise known as unregistered runners, are not allowed and will be subject to a fine by an officer."  [A traffic ticket for running in a public place?  Good luck making that one stick.]

"It is against the rules to run with headphones on.  Does that mean we will disqualify you, not at all!" [So exactly what is the rule?]

"Results will be posted after the event.  DO NOT BOTHER THE TIMING COMPANY.  They are very busy and it takes hard work to do what they do.  If you go up and bug them, we will ask them to remove your time."  [If you can remember your chief rival's bib number, this unusual rule presents a golden opportunity.]

I had paid $30 for the 5K, which was plenty but actually a discount because I am in a running club.  The half marathon was $75, which I refused to pay, very good decision as things turned out.  My goal was to run 6:30 per mile.  The temperature was 74F at midnight and I thought there was a chance we would be under 70 for the race, but no go, turned out hot and windy.  I warmed up for a mile and a half and lined up at the front.  Almost everybody seemed to have half bibs on, so I thought I might have a chance to place.  Somebody with a pistol was talking, but I couldn't hear a word.  Thankfully she pointed it up before firing, and we were off.

First mile came in at 6:33, wind at our backs.  I got to a water station at about 1.5, kept going and finally saw a little sign that had a u-turn symbol and it said "5K turnaround".  So I turned around.  I could tell then that they had measured the course at least a quarter-mile long, not sure why nobody ever seems to get that pesky little detail right.  Second mile 6:43.  I was in second place at that point, but going back against the traffic it was impossible to keep track of the first-place guy.  A high-school kid came up behind me and passed me but I hung with him and he slowed down.  Repassed him at about 2.5 and saw the turn-in to the finish line, or so it appeared.  Orange cones guiding us off into a side street that looked just like the real thing.  I turned in of course, and the kid followed, but it was a trap.  I hit 3.11 miles and turned off my Garmin, but I knew long before then that I was lost and I had already slowed down, third mile 7:12, time for 3.11 was 21:18.  I told the kid we were lost, but he seemed to take it much better than I.  I ran an extra mile and a half before finally finding my way out of the neighborhood and getting to the finish line.  I have no idea what my official time was because the clock at the finish line was dark.  Should have asked the timing company just to make sure it didn't get recorded.  Looked like there were about 200-300 people running the 5K.  If you are running with a bunch of people you just follow the crowd, but if you are up front I guess you are on your own to figure the course out.

I just got in my car and drove home, didn't wait around, afraid I would say something I would regret. The thing that bothers me most was not missing out on the chance to get second place.  Any race where I would finish second is not really much of a race.  But I had saved a little something in the tank for the final push and I think I could have come in under 20:30, which would have been a 2-minute PR for me -- basically I didn't get to finish my race.  I feel like there is a certain element of dishonesty in taking people's money for a race then putting forth minimal effort to organize it.  But there is no incentive to do otherwise.  She sold out the half-marathon two weeks ago, $75 for an inaugural, unorganized no-name race in the heat, unbelievable.  Did I mention I was glad I didn't run the half?

PM:  10 hill miles on TM.

Comments
From Stephen on Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:42:43 from 174.52.135.96

Count your blessings. The person with the starting gun remembered to fire vertically!

I love to read your reports, regardless of what happens.

From I Just Run on Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 13:46:56 from 71.41.149.142

How dissipointing....but look on the bright side you still PR'd with a 21:18! I'd count it....!

IJR

From lightitup on Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 14:47:34 from 174.31.66.37

Hippity Jippity Snop what a FLOP. so sorry

From rockness18 on Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 17:19:24 from 75.16.160.230

Wow...bummer! I experienced one of those 5k's last May- expensive, poorly organized, and frustrating beyond belief. You were wise to move on before saying anything regretable, yet I'd still give a strong critique if they are listed among active or any other organization that provides opportunity for feedback. btw- looks like you still got a solid training run in...nice!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 18:56:31 from 184.79.24.255

I'm sorry you wasted your morning (not a total waste since you got in some fast miles), but that was a pretty hilarious report...one of the funniest I've seen. The half would've been an epic disaster. Don't worry, they probably lost money on the races since some sucker bought $109 chips.

From flatlander on Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 08:15:04 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks all. If every running day was a success it wouldn't be nearly as interesting and there would be nothing to laugh about.

From derhammer on Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:12:35 from 70.113.125.159

Wow - what an experience! I guess I'll stick to the races that say "30th annual" 5k. LOL.

From seeaprilrun on Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 15:26:11 from 174.70.177.86

What a mess! I think I would have left in disgusted silence. 109 dollar chips?! wow.

From Burt on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:44:45 from 206.19.214.144

What a pricey event. Tell me proceeds went to charity.

From Kelli on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 20:07:26 from 71.219.96.115

Those RULES are crazy!!! How many other people followed you two? NONE? Really?

What a bummer that you did not get that chance to PR. I liked your comment about asking the timing company so that they would not record your race. I know how you feel on that one!!!!

EXPENSIVE race, too!

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 08:16:53 from 75.241.10.100

DH, funny, I've signed up for a makeup 5K that says "16th Annual", so that should be pretty safe.

April, you should have seen the "chips". They were old velcrow things that strapped around your ankle. I think they had these long before I started running because I have never seen them before. I think $109 reflects the antique value.

Burt, I was thinking about that. None of these races represent any charity I have ever heard of. Not casting any aspersions, but it would be very civilized of them to post audited financials after everything is said and done.

Kelli, yeah, I figured if I bugged them about my time, then according to rule #4 they would have to delete it! Funny thing, though, even though my official time was 30 minutes plus, I will be getting an award in the mail for finishing first in my age group! We don't run too fast down here in Texas.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.094.000.000.0016.09

75F, 79%, SSE 10 mph, cloudy but no chance of rain.  Pretty good running weather.  Did 5.75 miles, LHR at 9:52 per mile, seminary run, then back out for fast miles.  One transition, 8:24, then 7:24 (161), 7:32 (166), 7:24 (171) and 7:12 (177), finished with active cooldown mile (8:48).  Overall 12.09 miles in 1:47:01, average 8:51 per mile, flat shoes.  Summer is here, ran through three clouds of bugs.  Swallowed twice.

PM:  4 TM miles, hill work up and down.

Comments
From derhammer on Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 10:33:13 from 67.79.54.130

Yeah, love the bugs. When I run downtown around Town Lake I always run through a few clouds. Of course, I am always soaked and I don't wear a shirt, so they stick to my chest. It is quite funny because I look like I have a really hairy chest but it is just tiny flies.

From I Just Run on Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:38:31 from 67.79.11.242

Hey...that a good way to get in a little extra protein as you run. I've been trying to figure out how to do that :) Sounds delicious...

From SlowJoe on Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 13:59:08 from 131.59.200.82

Haven't gotten the bug clouds here yet, but I know just where they will show up. Nice running, as usual.

From Rye on Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 14:58:16 from 168.103.138.116

Protein on the go!

From jtshad on Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 19:02:23 from 204.134.132.225

Summer is here??? Winter hasn't even let go up here yet!! Dang, why do we live in Idaho?

From I Just Run on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:42:08 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Rye... You could call it Pro-Go that's kinda catchy...:)

Hey Joe, You'll never see any of these bug clouds. It's way too windy out there for them to survive! BTW...Quit sending me the wind!

IJR

From flatlander on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:58:12 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks for the funny comments guys. I've been showing them around, very entertaining. (Jeff, thanks for checking in, I lived in Bear Lake Valley as a kid and I know those temperatures.)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.813.200.000.0016.01

76F, 89%, S 5 mph.  For some reason this felt a lot hotter than yesterday, though my times and effort weren't too bad.  I did 3 LHR miles before the seminary run at 9:53 per mile, then was going pretty good on the GMP miles until my right groin started barking at .2 on the last fast mile.  7:27 (156), 7:27 (163) and 7:24 (168).  I could have continued but I know this one:  if you stop soon it's like it never happened -- if you wait you will pay.  It was feeling better as I finished up at about a 9:00 pace, then iced it and I think it will be fine.  Overall 10.01 miles in 1:29:13.

The hullaballoo over the 5K I ran on Saturday apparently reached the point where they had to take down the comment board.  From the e-mail the race director sent out this morning:  "Review sectiion has been taken off Active.com as some comments were uncalled for. I hear the frustrations, but I don't agree with the bad language and name calling."  What a circus. Turns out the "winning time" was slower than my 5K time when I reached 3.11 and turned off my Garmin (either the guy ahead of me got lost or they timed him incorrectly), all kinds of people getting lost, missing un-manned turnaround spots, complete fiasco.   Definitely one to drive away from and forget it ever happened, but sorry I didn't get to read the comment board.

PM:  6 hill work on TM, picked up the last uphill mile a little bit with no ill effects.  Groin feels OK so far.

Comments
From Burt on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:51:44 from 206.19.214.144

Sounds like I need to read your race report.

From Huans32 on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:30:03 from 138.64.8.51

Great run Flat. Yeah I got to check out your report from the 5k. What a joke.

From Kelli on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 19:42:42 from 71.219.96.115

OH, I bet it was exciting to read!!! Bad things happen in a race, but people do not need to be mean (unless they are hunting down an un-named rancher). And you are the winner to us!

I can not believe your temperature. It is freezing and snowing here. I miss spring!

From Burt on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 19:46:08 from 206.19.214.144

You should read DaleG's most recent blog.

From Kelli on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 19:56:41 from 71.219.96.115

Link?

From Burt on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 19:59:17 from 206.19.214.144

Kelli, don't bother me. I'm trying to read your race report.

From Burt on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 19:59:58 from 206.19.214.144

JK. Here it is:http://dongardinero.fastrunningblog.com/blog-My-wife-ran-Striders-30k-on-Saturday/04-24-2011.html

From Burt on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 20:00:09 from 206.19.214.144

You were talking to me, right?

From Kelli on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 20:08:37 from 71.219.96.115

Well, then I will give you about an hour to finish reading it!

Yes, I was talking to you. I searched for DaleG and there is someone with that name but they do not blog. i did not realize DonGardinero was a dale.

From Burt on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 20:12:58 from 206.19.214.144

Oh yeah. He changed his name.

From Kelli on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 20:16:22 from 71.219.96.115

Bad weekend for races, but his takes the cake.

From flatlander on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 22:32:29 from 76.31.26.153

I just read the report and I agree, his wife's was the worst of all.

From DaleG on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 22:49:30 from 152.216.7.5

Thanks everyone, but I think you're race was pretty messed up, too. I'm always nervous to sign up for first time events and that's a good reason why. Too bad they took down the comment board. I'm still shocked that they charged $75.00 for the half. Ouch.

From Dan on Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 23:15:13 from 24.209.83.20

I am catching up from the weekend, and wow... crappy race(s)- at least you did not pay $75! Still a good run despite the race!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.050.000.000.0018.05

79F, 74%, WSW 10 mph, at least the wind direction is changing, but there were very few mornings last year that were this warm, even in August.  It will be cool tomorrow if you believe the weather report, but then warm again.  I ran 7.5 then did the seminary run then another 4.5, total time 2:01:54, average pace 10:07 (included two warmup miles, true time was probably more like 10:01).  Decided no MP miles today to protect groin that pulled yesterday.  It feels fine so far this morning, hopefully back to full strength tomorrow, although that is a relative term, I'm running tired by design.  Seems kind of risky but so far I am doing OK.  The thing I have to watch most closely is my right achilles, that is what always hurts until I get warmed up.  I signed up for a replacement 5K Saturday a week, so this coming week I will probably use that race as an excuse to dial things back a bit before a final push to the UVM marathon taper in early June.

PM:  6 TM hill miles, upping the tempo a little bit.  Uphill 6 mph, downhill 6.5.  Thinking of going to a 4% up and down incline, but not sure it's necessary.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:51:14 from 131.59.200.80

That is a really warm morning. Probably a good day to take it easy, injury or not. Sounds like a good plan on the 5K/UVM training.

From I Just Run on Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:53:59 from 67.79.11.242

I'm really getting "mileage envy" ... Man you just keep pumping them out!

From derhammer on Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 13:32:51 from 192.156.110.33

Hey Flat, when I did my lab testing I thought of my Steamtown marathon and how putting the back of the treadmill on some blocks would be a great idea for downhill training. Not sure how many downhills there are at UVM but I thought there were some good downhill portions. Anyway, jacking up the back of your treadmill might be something to consider to get the leg muscles used to downhill running.

From Stephen on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 01:06:13 from 174.52.135.96

Daryl and I are running a 5K on May 5th. Should be fun. This is no "first annual", but rather a 2nd annual.

I sure hope you don't get injured.

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:04:44 from 75.241.10.100

Joe, thanks, going to your blog in a minute to catch the latest OKC weather report.

IJR, don't be impressed, they are mostly slow miles, kind of embarrassing really.

David, I thought I invented that one! My treadmill is propped up in the back.(Actually, it's my wife's treadmill, can't say she is too happy about it but I told her it was for world peace.)

Stephen, Don't worry about me, but keep an eye on Daryl. Tell him to take it slow, walk if he needs to, and stop at all the aid stations for gatorade and blister creme. I'm sure he can make it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.114.000.000.0010.11

60F, 59%, NE 7 mph, clear with old moon rising.  Weather was too nice to be real, actually the silver lining has a cloud, since our cool clear weather is directly related to the horrific tornadoes that have hit much of the southeast in the last 24 hours.  Woke early from insomnia and did all of my run before the seminary run, 5 at low heart rate, average about 9:35, then a transition mile and 4 at GMP:  7:26 (154), 7:40 (156) (oops), 7:36 (158) and 7:30 (162), overall 10.11 miles in 1:27:42, average pace 8:41 per mile.  Notwithstanding missing the mark on a couple of them, they were definitely a little easier in the cool weather, gives me hope for UVM, though I am still not really within range of hitting this pace for a whole marathon.  Still glad to get 3 of them under 160 bpm though.  As for hitting 7:30, I'm just going to have to be patient.  Wasn't that long ago that 8:30 felt too fast.  I missed hitting it for a marathon twice, but eventually I got it and I'll get this one too, sooner or later.

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From Huans32 on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 08:58:00 from 138.64.8.51

Holy cow Flat. Your getting in some major miles. And at some great paces. Your going to do some PRing this year. Stay strong and injury free bro.

From flatlander on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:08:20 from 75.241.10.100

Mark, thanks, I hope so. Injury bug usually gets me whenever I get going really good. Probably overdue at this point.

From I Just Run on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:47:12 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Flat, I wanted to run about 20 with the weather the way it was, 55 degrees here. Keep up the good work. When is the UVM race?

From SlowJoe on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:43:02 from 131.59.200.82

And it will only get easier below 60, nice run. 7:30 is not out of the question.

From Dan on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 23:30:03 from 24.209.83.20

I am with Joe- certainly not out of the question. You have been quite consistent with your running and I think it's gonna pay off.

From Rye on Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:19:48 from 174.27.65.38

Great mileage this week flat. Keep up the great work. Looks like you are all set for a pr!

From flatlander on Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:14:46 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, June 11, starting to get closer. Actually, this has been a pretty long training stretch, no marathon since the first of the year.

Joe, this morning felt easier in the cooler temperatures. If it holds for tomorrow I might be able to do an interesting run.

Dan, thanks, sure hope so.

Rye, could always use one of those. Has your weather improved yet?

From Rye on Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 18:01:18 from 75.174.90.222

It snowed 2 inches this morning! We are going to see temps in the 60's next week. Looking forward to a fast recovery and get back in it!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.024.000.000.0016.02

50F, 89%, calm and clear.  Extraordinary running weather.  Ran 4 before seminary, then 5 waiting for my daughter to finish, all LHR, then brought her home and went out for the fast miles after 1 warmup and 1 transition:  7:17 (156), 7:18 (158), 7:16 (163) and 7:00 (170), then 1-mile cooldown, didn't want to waste any of this weather.  Overall 16.02 miles in 2:21:34, average pace 8:50 per mile.  The LHR miles were pretty good, most under 9:30.

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From I Just Run on Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 17:33:26 from 166.205.12.125

Wow...Flat, have you always run like this or just since I got on the Blog? Very impressive!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.505.000.000.0015.50

74F, 94%, S 7mph and cloudy, pretty good running weather, other than the temperature, humidity and wind.  The goal was to run 10 at GMP + 1, then 10 at GMP.  They say if you can run 10, then 8, then 2 at 10K pace with last quarter at 3K pace you are ready.  I'm not ready.  First 10 went fine, all within a few seconds, + or -, of 8:30, heart rate held at 153 or below, so I was starting to get my hopes up.  By then I was back at the house.  Stopped for a few seconds to refill my water bottle and wring the sweat out of my hair, realized immediately when I stopped that I was pretty tired and thirsty.  I held the pace at 7:30 pretty well at first, started to get my hopes up but then began to fail rapidly.  I thought for a while I could only make 4, but decided that no matter what I was going to do 5, because that's where the magic is.  Fast miles were 7:32 (159), 7:36 (167) (this is where I lost the possibility of going 10), 7:26 (169), 7:26 (173) and 7:19 (177).  Total run was 15.50 miles in 2:07:19, average pace 8:13 per mile.  I probably could have made this run with yesterday's temperatures, but no excuses.  Six weeks to the marathon, so I'll do two more of these, maybe get 7 or 8 then 10.  At least it won't be much hotter than today, so with a little bit of luck I'll get close to that goal.  For now though, this pace is difficult.

Comments
From Rye on Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:05:34 from 75.174.90.222

You will love the temps come June in Utah. Great mileage this week. I will be looking for good things from you on the 11th!

From Stephen on Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 13:34:53 from 174.52.135.96

Very nice run at that temperature! You are really doing well.

From derhammer on Sun, May 01, 2011 at 17:19:43 from 70.113.125.159

The weather is a real killer, plus the mileage you have been running, good job really.

From SlowJoe on Sun, May 01, 2011 at 23:53:18 from 184.79.24.255

Well, you're not ready if it's 74 degrees and humid, but Utah won't be that miserable. It's an interesting situation, training in the heat for what is hopefully a much cooler marathon. Keep up the good training.

From I Just Run on Mon, May 02, 2011 at 11:33:51 from 67.79.11.242

Keep pounding them out and you'll get there! I think it takes a few weeks for our bodies to get used to this hotter weater and this year it just jumped up really high and quickly.

Does the elevation difference at the Utah marathon have any bearing on performance?

IJR

From flatlander on Mon, May 02, 2011 at 23:26:27 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks all, last year it was low 40s and misting. I can't hope to get that lucky again but almost anything will be an improvement. I checked this out last year, and at the same heart rate I was slower in Houston on a flat course a couple of weeks after UVM than on UVM at altitude. So the very precise scientific rendition is: humidity + heat < altitude + downhill.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.194.000.000.008.19

59F, 72%, N 3 mph.  Typing this for the second time, somehow I lost my entire first post.  I ran all my miles before the seminary run, planning to cut back this week, then one final push if things go well.  My right leg as a whole hasn't felt very good this afternoon, won't know if there is a problem until in the morning.  But no possibility of doing TM hill miles tonight.  Ran 3 at LHR (10:20, 9:46 and 9:46), one transition then 4 at GMP, 7:32 (155), 7:26 (159), 7:28 (163) and 7:33 (164).  This heart rate should have been a little lower given the cool weather, but at least it was lower than several runs recently in warmer temperatures.  Overall 8.19 miles in 1:09:51, average pace 8:32 per mile.  I think the real culprit was the new flat shoes that I ran in today.  They came in the mail and the sole is quite a bit thicker than the old ones, and the shoe feels heavier, only a little bit but a definite difference.  Here are the old and new right shoes:

So I think what I will do is train in the heavier ones and race in the others, that way I get kind of a handicap effect for training.  Really is amazing, though, how manufacturing standards are not that uniform at all in the Amazon jungle (not a website) where these are manufactured.

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From derhammer on Tue, May 03, 2011 at 10:48:45 from 192.156.110.40

I hope the leg holds up. I can definitely see a difference in the shoes. BTW-those look like bowling shoes. :-)

From flatlander on Tue, May 03, 2011 at 12:57:34 from 198.207.244.102

DH, yes, especially the new ones with the thicker soles. I learned just last week that bowling shoes are styled this way to prevent theft, so it looks like my shoes are safe in any environment. If I forgot them somebody would be chasing me down to make sure I leave with them. In Brazil, though, these are considered stylish.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.200.000.000.0016.20

54F, 82%, NNW 10 mph.  Good running weather despite a pretty fresh wind.  Did the seminary run and ran about 5 from the church waiting for my daughter, brought her home and went out for 7 more.  Probably my last seminary run of the school year, back to regular training schedule until September.  Did all LHR work because my right leg had a hollow, raw pain in it yesterday afternoon and evening, top to bottom, felt like a rogue nerve but I have no expertise to diagnose it.  I apparently ran too hard after running hard on Saturday, was worried that I might have overdone it and set myself back.  I was pleased when I got out this morning and everything felt mostly normal.  But still I didn't press the issue, kept it slow.   I'll do some TM tonight if things hold together during the day.  12.05 miles in 1:59:09, average pace 9:46 per mile, flat shoes, felt relaxing to do these miles at a comfortable temperature.

PM: 4 miles hill work on TM, 5.5 to 6.0 mph.

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From SlowJoe on Tue, May 03, 2011 at 12:04:52 from 131.59.200.80

Good call, glad everything seems to be holding together so far.

So on your shoes, do you get to pick the colors or is it like the toy in the cracker jack box and you never know what you're going to get? You have a lot more guts than me, I'm hooked on my nice padded Asics.

From I Just Run on Tue, May 03, 2011 at 16:50:46 from 67.79.11.242

Enjoy the cool weather it will be gone soon. Wouldn't you know it's cool this week when I'm off for recovery. Next week it will probably be 90 degrees at 5 am...!

From flatlander on Wed, May 04, 2011 at 11:22:36 from 76.31.26.153

Joe, you can pick the colors, but I order whatever is on sale, not a good way to be a fashion horse.

Preston, thanks, I was thinking about the same thing this morning, glad things worked out so that I'm running instead of recovering this week.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.165.000.000.0011.16

45F (it's true), 83%, calm and clear.  No seminary run today, in fact I am off for the rest of the school year, the other parent is taking over.  So I exited the front door at 5:30 instead of 4:30, almost getting light already.  The plan was to do 8 and stop but couldn't keep it to that in good conscience, not in this weather, 45 freaking degrees.  I did 3 LHR miles, 10:05, 9:33 and 9:23; 1 transition, 8:16; 5 at GMP, 7:26 (156), 7:23 (161), 7:25 (164), 7:14 (167) and 7:26 (167); then 2 active cooldown, 8:35 (156) and 8:20 (152).  Even though my heart rate wasn't that much lower than for comparable fast miles recently, it stopped climbing; I felt fresh and could have gone further without my tongue hanging out at an awkward angle.  Also encouraging was my heart rate for the cooldown miles, which I took at my old marathon pace.  I looked up my notes on the Richmond Marathon.  Miles 10 and 11 came in at 8:41 (159) and 8:38 (168), both slightly slower than miles 10 and 11 this morning.  Of course I ran miles 1-9 faster today than I did at Richmond, so it is significant that my heart rate was much lower this morning, even though it was 10 degrees cooler on that day (humidity about the same).

One last comment about the nightmare 5K I ran 10 days ago.  I got an e-mail yesterday telling me I had won my age group and will be receiving a trophy in the mail (how about skipping the trophy and sending a gift certificate?).  Even though I ran 3.11 miles that day in 21:18 according to my own watch, not my goal but not bad, I ran what seemed a mile and a half extra to get to the finish line, so I was skeptical.  But I looked them up and here are the official results.  No kidding, I won my age group with a chip time of 30:14.  Not only that, they are declaring the winning time at 22:57.  For a 5K?  We may be a little slow here in Texas with our daily fights to ward off barbeque and TexMex, but I think these results show a different kind of slowness, the above-the-shoulder kind.  I don't see how they can declare a winner with a straight face.

Event: 5K Division: M 50-59
PL No Name Age Pace Chip Time Gun Time
1 766 Mark Thurber 56 9:41/M 30:14 30:16
2 770 Mark Traylor 50 10:53/M 33:57 34:27
3 548 Andre Childress 57 12:55/M 40:17 40:39
4 763 Mike Thomas 50 13:50/M 43:11 48:14
5 755 Rob Sullivan 56 15:37/M 48:44 49:20

OK, I'm done talking about it now.

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From SlowJoe on Wed, May 04, 2011 at 11:03:51 from 131.59.200.80

Just keep it up Flat, and one day you will get that sub-30.

And by the way, nice run, smart to take advantage of the temps like that. Getting to sleep in a little more will hopefully help too.

From I Just Run on Wed, May 04, 2011 at 11:21:41 from 67.79.11.242

Hey...I'm thinking you're an Elite Runner now with that dominating time...! You blew out the competition by over 4 minutes...Amazing!

I'm going to rename you "Flat-Out-Fast..!"

From derhammer on Wed, May 04, 2011 at 16:00:44 from 192.156.110.34

Wow - just think if they would have had a clearly marked course you would have been the winner! You should run it next year though you probably don't want to give those jokers any more money. :-)

From Rye on Wed, May 04, 2011 at 18:57:15 from 75.174.28.200

If you work a little harder you could shave that 15 seconds and get below 30. I guess it is true....you Texans do tell the 'big' stories. Thought that you should go the other way, say below 20...Joe maybe you got it wrong... you should be shooting for 4:05 for the next marathon...nice run flat!

From flatlander on Thu, May 05, 2011 at 10:27:58 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks guys, have been laughing at these comments since they came in. Our running club runs sometimes with the club in this neighborhood that let this race director in. I'm seriously thinking of doing some lobbying so they don't let her come back next year, but I probably won't. Life is too short. I have a makeup 5K this Saturday, should be fun to see what happens.

From I Just Run on Thu, May 05, 2011 at 10:50:38 from 67.79.11.242

I'm thinking if you try really...really hard you might beat your last 5K time :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.055.000.000.0012.05

48F, 94%, calm and clear.  Another picture perfect morning, just beautiful out there.  I was still a little sore from yesterday, my feet are getting used to the new shoes and they are a little heavier, but once I got going I felt good.  I ran 5.5 at LHR, average pace 9:27.  My left groin (the healthy one) started pulling during the LHR miles and I thought I would have to stop, but I changed my stride pattern a little bit and got it to go away.  Then transition for a half mile, then 5 at GMP, 7:45 (154), 7:28 (158), 7:23 (162), 7:23 (165) and 7:26 (166), then 1 cooldown and done.  Felt pretty tired at the end.  I was telling my younger son Austin about the nerve pain I have been getting in my right leg when I drive after running and he immediately diagnosed it as coming from my herniated disk from three years ago, which is exactly right when I think about it.  My back was starting to hurt a little bit today at about mile 10, so back to my lower back stretching exercises, I feel better now.  Overall I ran 12.05 miles in 1:43:28, average pace 8:35.  Good run today.

Purely for scientific purposes, I put my Jingas on Austin's food scale.  First picture is the heavier ones that just came in the mail and which now have about 35 miles on them, second is the ones I have been running in for most of the year, they have about 1100 miles on them (550 per shoe, but you know what I mean), and the third is a new pair which just arrived yesterday (I stockpile them when they go on sale for 30 Pounds Sterling), and which for some reason are the lighter version.  Weight is in ounces:

So race strategy is to run in the old light ones.  I have been told (and I keep telling myself) that these shoe styles are highly fashionable in Brazil.  Too bad I live in Texas, where you can get shot for wearing stuff like this.

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From derhammer on Thu, May 05, 2011 at 10:35:13 from 192.156.110.34

I think this morning may be the last day like it for a while. I can't imagine we get another cold front, but the weather has been strange lately so one never knows.

The shoes: wow - the first pair are almost twice as heavy. My shoes are around 7-8 oz so I am used to that. But I can imagine if I went to 14 oz shoes that would be very noticeable. Those shoes would go over well in Europe, and of course, you can wear those in Austin, but we are not really Texas so I am told. :-) I guess that's why I like it here so much.

From I Just Run on Thu, May 05, 2011 at 11:03:16 from 67.79.11.242

I love "Show and Tell"...!

I hope you don't have outfits to match every pair of shoes...

From SlowJoe on Thu, May 05, 2011 at 14:54:40 from 131.59.200.82

That's quite a difference for supposedly the same shoe. I thought my racing flats (7-8 oz) felt super light but that green pair you have should almost be floating.

I agree with DH, you could definitely get away with those in Austin a lot easier. Not here. Instead of "keep Austin weird" shirts, people here have "keep Abilene boring" shirts and bumper stickers, no kidding.

From I Just Run on Thu, May 05, 2011 at 15:00:04 from 67.79.11.242

Joe,

You didn't mention there were only trucks in Abilene...no cars... :)

From allie on Thu, May 05, 2011 at 22:28:25 from 174.23.197.101

i love these shoes (even if texas doesn't). 4.2 oz is awesome.

From Dan on Thu, May 05, 2011 at 23:40:28 from 24.209.83.20

I'm with Allie on the shoes- wicked cool... lighter than what I wear!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.005.000.000.0012.00

54F, 90%, calm and clear, still holding on to the good weather.  Did the same thing as yesterday but a little faster.  5.5 warmup miles, average pace 9:25 which is my best LHR pace to date.  1/2 transition, then 5 at GMP:  7:28 (157), 7:24 (160), 7:23 (163), 7:22 (166) and 7:23 (169) (heart rate slightly higher than yesterday), then one cooldown.  Total 12.00 miles in 1:42:22, average pace 8:32 per mile. 

One of my many brothers ran a 5K last night.  He doesn't blog, but I told him to let me know as soon as he found out.  I have one of my own in the morning, so I gotta know, y'know.  This particular brother won state in cross-country in high school, but hasn't run much since and he trains like a lazy bum.  He is 10 years younger than me.  We like to keep in touch, we chat like sisters, so naturally we had a nice talk after he got done.  Here are our texts:

Him:  19:30

Me:  Crap

Him:  LOL

Game on. 

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From Dan on Fri, May 06, 2011 at 23:16:38 from 24.209.83.20

Ah Family :)

From I Just Run on Fri, May 06, 2011 at 23:29:37 from 166.205.12.167

Gota Love Um...!

Race: Sprint for Life 5K (3.11 Miles) 00:20:47, Place overall: 27, Place in age division: 1
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.500.003.110.005.61

66F, 84%, SSE 5 mph.  Race day today, dawned bright and clear.  Actually a little cloudy but any time you get to run at 7:30 instead of 4:30 it qualifies as bright and clear.  I ran down to Wade's house and he brought his wife and daughter to the race.  My son and daughter-in-law (Clint and Becky) also ran, they live in the area and met us there.  The race is a fundraiser for ovarian cancer and is associated with the Texas Medical Center, so for once on a Houston 5K we weren't running out of downtown.  This course was also better than the downtown course.

We got there a little early, got our bibs, warmed up a little bit, met up with Clint and Becky and got lined up.  Last year there were only about 600 runners, at least twice that this year.  I could tell when warming up that my groin was going to be a problem.  Wade and I lined up toward the front.  I went out fast, probably a sub-6 pace for the first half mile, then my groin went tight and I pulled up.  Almost stopped, contemplated turning around, but kept going at a jog and the tightness subsided a little bit.  Wade said later he saw me pull up, then speed back up, but I never sped up to the original pace.  Not sure if I could have handled it anyway but would have been fun to find out.  First mile was 6:35, so that is why I think I was booking it at the beginning.  After that I was just trying to find a stride pattern and length that could keep me going.  The course didn't have any sharp turns so it was ideal that way.  Second mile 6:43, so I started out almost identically to my last 5K.  Third mile I held pace, 6:45, which is why I did better this time.  I was plenty beat but never made it into the puke zone because I couldn't accelerate.  I think a 20-minute 5K is approachable for me at this point, but probably wouldn't have made it today even with a healthy groin -- a little worrisome as to whether it will significantly affect UVM preparations.

Stayed around for the awards, got a medal to give to my granddaughter.  First place in the 50-54 group was 17:45, the guy is 53 years old, something to shoot for.  I would have won the 40-44 group, age group awards are very hit and miss on these 5Ks.  But this one was very well organized and a lot of fun.  Plus they measured the course exactly right.  I will run it again next year if I can. 

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From SlowJoe on Sat, May 07, 2011 at 13:17:17 from 184.79.24.255

Congrats on breaking 21 and the AG win -- great race, your next 5K could easily be sub-20. Hope that groin settles down for you...

Always nice to find the course measured correctly too, that can be rare.

From derhammer on Sat, May 07, 2011 at 15:52:30 from 70.124.68.134

Yikes, strong run given the tightness acting up. Way to stay with it and not give up!

From Burt on Sat, May 07, 2011 at 19:12:37 from 72.223.90.79

I just can't believe how fast you're getting. Great job!

From Dan on Sat, May 07, 2011 at 21:57:49 from 24.209.83.20

Great job man- way to push on! Told you that those miles would be there when you needed a withdrawal

From Kelli on Sun, May 08, 2011 at 20:28:26 from 71.219.96.115

Sweet race! That grandpa with the 17:45??? WOW, that is something for all to shoot for, That is incredible. BUT this grandpa (meaning you) did not do too shabby himself!

OK, super excited for UVM, you will have to watch for me out there running backwards (not physically, of course, just backwards on the course). If you can spot me, you get to run with me! Such an incentive (i am being facetious, of course). I just run in whoever I can find. Maybe one day I will actually enter the race. ;o)

From flatlander on Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:54:56 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks so much guys. Kelli, what a nice offer, that would be great! I hope I find you running backwards before somebody else does. The day you actually enter the race we are all doomed.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.020.000.000.009.02

75F, 83%, S 10-18, cloudy but won't rain.  The drought continues, but good running weather.  The goal this morning was to test out my right groin which was in pretty bad shape on Saturday after the race.  Went 9.02 miles all at LHR, 1:31:29, average pace 10:08 per mile.  I was a little surprised that my pace was so slow despite running low miles on Saturday, but probably a combination of heat and injury.  The groin was generally OK, definitely sore and not healed but better than Saturday.  I was ready to stop whenever I got the right neural signals, but it never happened.  The muscle gradually loosened up, to the point that by mile 5 it was almost unnoticeable so long as I stayed in the same rhythm.  Might try a little bit of speed tomorrow.  I think I will try 1K intervals at a little slower than GMP and see how that works.

I've been thinking all weekend about the 53-year old who ran a 17:45 5K, more than 3 minutes faster than me.  So far, every local race in the 5K to 10K range has the best runners in my age group coming in around 6:10 to 6:30 per mile.  Sometimes none of them show up and I win the age group.  Other times they all do and I come in 10th.  But with my 6:41 per mile on Saturday I was getting close to being competitive no matter who shows up.  But every time I think I must be approaching my limit I see another shining example in gray hair and it's back to the drawing board.  This guy ran 5:42 per mile and he was at least 185 pounds, a big guy, his time is definitely a standard I should be shooting for.  My genetics are good but not great and sooner or later they will catch up with me, but I am enjoying the ride while it lasts, so glad I decided to do this.  Plus, just found out I am in SGM with two sisters, two brothers and a brother in law!  What a day.

Comments
From I Just Run on Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:54:48 from 67.79.11.242

Or another thought is that you could move up here near me. The competition doesn't seem nearly as competative :)

From SlowJoe on Mon, May 09, 2011 at 12:02:56 from 131.59.200.80

Hey, lots of good news - the groin sounds like it might be no factor, and congrats on getting into St George. Time to jack up the treadmill so you can practice careening down a mountain.

From Rye on Mon, May 09, 2011 at 14:02:31 from 168.103.139.178

Thats awesome flat. What a great race it will be with family there!

From Mack on Mon, May 09, 2011 at 20:51:58 from 50.39.193.169

Congrats on getting in to St George Flat.

From derhammer on Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:58:42 from 192.156.110.32

Glad to hear the injury sounds minor. St. George sounds great.

It's pretty amazing to see some of the runners at 5K's. 17:45 is smoking fast. My age group winner on Saturday ran a 17:54. I finished 4th while my friend who ran a slower time then me got 2nd in the 35-39 age group - you never know who is going to show up to these things.

From flatlander on Tue, May 10, 2011 at 14:17:19 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, if I did that I would have to race you -- that would be a disaster.

Joe, I know, I know, gotta get back on that thing.

Rye, they are already stoked. We are planning a vacation.

Mack, thanks, hope all is going well with you.

DH, yes, hard to believe. Surprisingly, my time was good enough to win the 40-44 division in this particular race. Age group results are all over the map.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.963.110.000.0012.07

75F, 83%, SE 12-17 mph, cloudy and blustery but no rain.  Pretty good running weather.  Somewhat apprehensively I decided to do 1K intervals at GMP.  Slept in, spent a little extra time switching my watch over to metric and was out the door at 6.  Ran 10K at LHR, average pace 6:01 per km (9:40 per mile), was happy about that pace in the heat.  Then 1 km transition into the first interval and 1km active recovery between intervals.  Really enjoyed my faster interval times; after careful experimentation I have concluded that Ks are faster than Ms and I think we should switch.  Ran the GMP intervals at 4:44 (7:36)(154); 4:39 (7:29)(158); 4:40 (7:30)(160); 4:35 (7:25)(166); and 4:36 (7:28)(167).  Had trouble stretching out my stride on the first one or two intervals but then things loosened up somewhat and was relatively comfortable for the rest of the run.  But now that I have cooled off I am hurting some (mostly the achilles, surprisingly) and may have to stay slow for most of the week.  Plus I need more hill work on the TM, hard to know how to allocate precious resources with only this week and two more before my taper.  Overall 19.43 km (12.07 miles) at 8:57 per mile.

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From SlowJoe on Tue, May 10, 2011 at 14:43:57 from 131.59.200.80

Let's start the movement to switch to the metric system. I'd much rather be at 4:40 pace than 7:30.

From lightitup on Tue, May 10, 2011 at 15:19:52 from 174.31.66.37

You're way ahead of me on the running lingo, but I do have vast experience in the area of Achilles tendinitis (yes they misspell it that way).

Don't get it! Concentric stretches, all the way. Every day. Look it up, great research...OH. And keep running too. You will hear other advice.

All other advice is wrong. :)

From I Just Run on Tue, May 10, 2011 at 15:42:22 from 67.79.11.242

I was thinking about going to the simple slow/fast - short/long descriptions on my reports but then I realized fast is actully slow to most others and my long was actually short to many others....Now I'm really confused!

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From baldnspicy on Tue, May 10, 2011 at 18:22:11 from 72.95.164.253

I'm with Joe. Of course, when you're running as many miles as I am right now, it's all about the same pace either way.

Great job and always an enjoyable read!

From Dan on Wed, May 11, 2011 at 00:47:59 from 24.209.83.20

Good miles, and good advice -you looking forward to the taper? I find them hard even though I see them work...the urge to keep running is there when you have to cut back

From Mack on Wed, May 11, 2011 at 14:15:44 from 50.39.193.169

Nice workout Flat! I haven't been following you for a while. What race are you tapering for?

From Rye on Wed, May 11, 2011 at 15:28:57 from 168.103.139.178

Hopefully they are just phantom pains...Enjoy the taper and don't forget to have some confidence going into the final couple of weeks. You have worked hard.

From flatlander on Wed, May 11, 2011 at 22:37:13 from 76.31.26.153

SJ, that makes two of us on board. Two more and we can start the wave.

E, what are concentric stretches? Pictures please.

IJR, just run.

BNS, I can convert that to Ks if you want.

Dan, I always look forward to the taper until it actually arrives, then I feel like I am wasting time with a race bearing down on me. Turns me into a bundle of nerves.

Mack, going to run UVM again this year. If I miss my goal by 15 minutes again this might be the last time, sure liked going up there and doing the race last year though.

Rye, thanks. I never lack confidence, just talent.

From derhammer on Fri, May 13, 2011 at 17:44:59 from 192.156.110.40

I read that the Hanson's have their runners do a MGP run of 26.2 KM before a marathon - they said it is the mental part of seeing that 26.2 at the end of the run that helps, even though it is KMs. Haven't tried it myself, though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.000.000.000.0014.00

76F, 78%, SSE 13 gusting to 21, cloudy and rainy without the rain part.  Seemed like pretty good running weather though.  Ran Ks again.  16.10 km (10.00 miles) in 1:37:00, LHR, average pace 6:01/km, which is 9:42 per mile, OK for these conditions.  No fast miles today, everything was too iffy.  As a result I felt better during the day and managed to finally get on the treadmill tonight for some hill work, 4 miles at 5.5, 6.0, 6.0 and 6.5 mph; up, down, up, down.  Kind of a complicated workout.

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From Dan on Wed, May 11, 2011 at 22:49:33 from 24.209.83.20

A bit complicated, but I get the 14 miles part! Well done.

From I Just Run on Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:54:00 from 67.79.11.242

All the km's and stuff sounds a lot like gibberish...Where's the good old American Flat I one knew?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.981.240.000.0010.22

75F, 93%, E 7 mph, very muggy this morning.  LHR miles were 9:48 per mile, slower than yesterday.  Had to hurry and get done, but didn't mind because I'm a little leery about piling on too many miles right now anyway.  Ran about 5.9 LHR, then sped up into 2 x 1K, paces were 7:38 and 7:39, groin got tight and had to pull back and restart the second one, but got through it feeling pretty good.  So total of 8.22 this morning in 1:17:12, average pace 9:23 per mile, then did two TM miles, hill work, tonight.  I'm a little worried about finishing my training program for UVM on time, should be running harder this week and next but trying to pay attention to what my legs are telling me, right now they are speaking in a foreign language.  We got rain today, very happy about that, and the air is cooler outside tonight.

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From allie on Thu, May 12, 2011 at 23:35:40 from 174.23.197.101

i think you are being smart -- your body knows better than your plan. your training has been great and it will all come together.

hope to see you at UVM...

From Mack on Fri, May 13, 2011 at 11:34:51 from 50.39.193.169

Nice job Flat. Hope you have a great UVM. Just curious, what training program are you following.

From SlowJoe on Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:35:35 from 131.59.200.82

I had to scale back training for my achilles on the week I was supposed to be peaking for my last one...worked out ok. So I say good call, and hope you enjoy what (I think) will be the last decent Texas running weather this weekend until Fall.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.151.860.000.0010.01

59F, 100%, calm and foggy.  It wasn't really that foggy out there, but that's what the weather report said.  Very nice running weather, obviously.  Ran 9.5K warmup, average pace 9:31 per mile, then 3 x 1K at GMP, 7:29 (156), 7:20 (161) and 7:17 (161), (paces converted to miles), 1K cooldown in between.  Groin has settled down a lot, but still felt too sore to do TM tonight.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.808.000.000.0020.80

59F (70F at end), 50%, NNW 11-18 mph.  Another picture perfect running morning, looks like we will have a couple more of these next week before normal temperatures return.  Went to bed at 9 and set the alarm for 5 but woke up at 4:30, seems I don't need 8 hours any more.  I drove down to the Y and met Wade and the group.  I told Wade I needed to go 8:30 to 9:00 for the 12 miles they were doing, and the whole group responded.  Everybody was feeling good in the dry cool air and running fast.  This is a group that usually does 9:30 pace, today everybody ran together and as a group they averaged 8:40.  I had to peel off for a restroom break, caught up part of the distance but not all.  I am putting my average at 8:35 for the first 12.3.  Wade was keeping time because I was conserving battery life on my Garmin.  They all went to breakfast and I headed back out for the fast miles.  I warmed up for about a half mile then took off.  The course out was into the wind and slightly uphill, so was happy to hit everything in the 7:30s, nothing faster than 7:33 though.  Coming back I was around 7:25 the whole way, 7:15 (182) on the last mile, average 7:31 for the 8.  In some ways it was easier, but without the wind in my face it was hot and it was close to 9:00 by this time anyway.  I had my EFS flask with me to practice taking on calories and electrolytes.  Gave me slight nausea, especially coming back in the heat.  I am used to running hungry and it is more comfortable that way, but I need a little bit in order to make it through the marathon distance, so I have to practice it.  I stopped as soon as I hit 8, the fast miles are not a rounding error.  I knew it was right on the button because my 1-hour clock went off just before I stopped.

This was a big run for me, never seem to hit it but I got it today.  Those last two miles I am putting in the bank, I will need to make a withdrawal at UVM.  Hopefully the teller lines at the Bank of the Mountain Running Gods are not too long that morning.  In two weeks if all goes well I hope to do this run again as a 10/10 instead of 12/8 before the UVM taper, and maybe try to get a little more speed on the last two.  My legs are trashed but my groin gave me no problems today, during the run or afterward, and my achilles is no worse than usual.  So all is well.

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From derhammer on Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:53:21 from 70.113.125.159

Great run! - has to be a big confidence booster. I have tried the EFS stuff - too strong for me. Definitely needs to be taken with water, just like a gel.

From SlowJoe on Sun, May 15, 2011 at 13:48:20 from 184.79.24.255

Great long run, you are clicking on all cylinders at the right time.

From flatlander on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:00:37 from 76.31.26.153

DH, yeah, didn't want to haul water too, so I ran the first 12 only taking EFS. Yuck. After that I took a long drink and then for the last 8 brought a water bottle with about 4 or 5 ounces in it and that worked a little better I must say.

Joe, you're right, something is clicking. There is a tap-tap sound every time I turn a corner to the right. That's the only time I hear it.

From SlowJoe on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:11:41 from 131.59.200.82

Check the CV joint.

From JG on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:19:48 from 74.176.224.159

Great job ... hopefully UVM only has left hand turns! lol Good luck, sounds like you will be ready to rock n roll!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.000.000.000.0016.00

64F, 61%, calm with clouds moving in.  One of the few cool running days left until the fall.  Was trying to decide whether to do a tempo run or 1K intervals, then remembered that last week I didn't do too well running fast on Monday after running hard on Saturday.  So even though I felt fine yesterday and this morning I pulled back and used up the cool morning doing a long LHR run.  I needed one anyway and it looks like I get one more cool morning tomorrow.  Started out slow and stiff and gradually sped up, got several splits in the low 9:30s miles 7 through 10, overall 12.00 miles in 1:57:11, average pace 9:46 per mile, all LHR, good pace for a Monday after.  Got that familiar deep fatigue feeling the last two miles, which signals a good LHR workout. Training for SGM is going to depend on what happens at UVM, but I am thinking that after SGM I will do exclusivly slow running for about 12 weeks before starting my training for Boston.  I probably won't run a January marathon next year, so nothing between SGM and Boston.  Would love to get my LHR pace down to the mid-8s, not sure if that is doable or not but it would be a big step if I could make it happen.  How is that for long-term planning? 

PM 4 TM miles, hill training.

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From I Just Run on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 09:59:19 from 67.79.11.242

And I was just trying to decide what to run tomorrow...My long term planning is about 3 days out :) Hey Flat, what is SGM? Wish I was going to Boston with you!

From Burt on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:06:08 from 72.223.90.79

St. George Marathon.

From flatlander on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:06:12 from 76.31.26.153

Preston, SGM = St. George Marathon. Just got picked in the lottery with 4 siblings and an in-law, should be a blast, plus we have a lot of intra-family trash-talk going. Great fun. Are you sure you can't get into Boston? Isn't your BQ time 3:35? You are at least as fast as me, and right now I am pretty sure I could run a 3:30, which would make you a Friday registrant. I think there are some summer marathons up north with pretty reasonable temperatures. Would be great fun to have you at Boston.

From Burt on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:07:05 from 72.223.90.79

Beat you by 4 seconds Mark.

From flatlander on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:08:06 from 198.207.244.102

You're that guy on the front row with all the answers.

From Burt on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:10:34 from 72.223.90.79

Yeah, that annoying guy that everyone else in the class hates.

From Stephen on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:25:00 from 204.182.3.235

I keep talking to my kids about planning. I tell them that there is a correlation between their level of income and their level of planning. I think it applies no matter how we define success.

From I Just Run on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:29:37 from 67.79.11.242

Yeah my qualifying time is 3:35:59. I missed it by 2;10 at Oklahoma because of my knee issue. I've been trying to find a marathon somewhere up north, in the summer, where I could try again.

:)

From PRE on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 22:08:39 from 99.50.214.225

flatlander -

Hi. I ran 12 today as well. Congrats on getting picked (St. George Marathon lottery). Second year in a row I did not get selected for New York lottery. Which is why I am doing Hartford in October.

Nice to see you have a few races lined up.

From Dan on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 23:14:22 from 24.209.83.20

Good running and yes it is possible. Long terms plans are nice to have, plenty of time to change them I say ;)

From JG on Mon, May 16, 2011 at 23:56:34 from 74.176.224.159

Nice run Flat ... and yes ... that is some serious long term planning, but that is the best way to get good results for marathons!

IJR - If you really don't want to wait, I think there is one chance for you that gives you a far better chance than any other! There are a lot of people on here from Utah that could speak to this a lot better than I can, but Top of Utah in Logan is Sept 17 & has a net downhill of 1,045' & it is gradual, 1 to 2%, so not quad pounding from what I read! Boston reg does not open to 'all' qualified runners until Sept. 19, so if you ran a 3:30, you could even register a day before it opens up to the masses! Just a thought, I am sure Flat would appreciate if you stepped up and got er done! lol

From I Just Run on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:18:15 from 67.79.11.242

Thanks JG,

Wow...You found the perfect marathon for me! I'm trying to think of a reason not to run it but I can't really come up with any excuses except the travel and that shouldn't be a problem. I'm putting it on my calendar and will begin to think serious about it!

Anybody want to go to Logan with me?

IJR

From JG on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:26:44 from 74.176.224.159

If you fly me out there, I'll pace you to a 3:30 ... lol j/k

Flat, really not hijacking your blog, just trying to encourage another participant to join us in Boston '12! :)

From flatlander on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:34:13 from 76.31.26.153

IJR and JG, no worries, blog away. I have never run Top of Utah, but here is what I have heard about it: Top half is fast and somewhat steep, people tend to go out too fast, so it takes some discipline or your quads will be trashed. The bottom half flattens out and the final 10K twists through the streets of Logan. Some people don't like that, others do. Weather on top is always cool, down in the valley it depends on the day, but if you are running 3:30 or faster it shouldn't be too bad even on a hot day. By September, fall has arrived in Logan, so chances are good you will get cool temps. Definitely one you should consider, but make sure there is not some odd rule that results have to be posted on-line before you can register for Boston.

From flatlander on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:42:08 from 76.31.26.153

Stephen, I tell my kids lots of things, all with about equal effect.

PRE, I ran Hartford last year. Loved the people there, but it was my last bad race unfortunately.

Dan, LOL, I change my plans constantly, usually in the middle of a run. That's what's so fun about it.

From I Just Run on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:41:22 from 67.79.11.242

Watch what you say JG...I have a lot of frequent flyer miles...!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.255.000.000.0014.25

53F, 77%, ENE 6 mph.  Crisp and cool weather, felt great, probably the last one.  Ran 6.5 LHR miles at 9.33 per mile, 1/2 mile transition then 5 at GMP:  7:27 (155), 7:31 (158), 7:24 (162), 7:33 (163) and 7:25 (164).  This pace actually felt somewhat sustainable this morning, big assist from the weather acknowledged.  I need to see if I can do 26.2K at this pace within the next week or so, that is another barometer that people talk about.  Total 12.25 miles in 1:45:44, average pace 8:38 per mile.

Woke up this morning with a big bruise, about 8 inches by 3 inces, mid-thigh on the inside, right leg.  No tenderness, just ugly.  My so-called groin pull is actually in the muscle that attaches to the inside of the knee and curves around to the front of my leg at the top.  No idea what it is called or what I did to aggravate it (I dunno, maybe I shouldn't have run a 5K PR on it?), but it hasn't bothered me since about Wednesday or Thursday, no idea why the bruise didn't show up earlier.  Probably a good thing I have no clue.

PM:  2 miles hill work on TM.

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From derhammer on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:36:35 from 192.156.110.39

Ditto on the weather, Flat. Perfect morning, though it was about 10 degrees warmer down there then here.

Strange deal with the bruise. Glad it is not hurting.

From SlowJoe on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:38:39 from 131.59.200.82

Strange about the bruise, no guesses here.

Nice MP run today, I am wistful about the nice mornings being gone until late September.

From I Just Run on Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:56:53 from 67.79.11.242

I think deep bruises (blood) take a while to work to the sruface. Good thing it's not bothering you. No time for injuries now!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.020.003.100.0012.12

67F, 86%, SE 5 mph.  Nice running weather, honestly didn't feel that warm.  Did my regular LHR run:  6.5 miles starting at 10:08 as low as 9:13, average 9:29 per mile.  This is close to a PR for me and not sure why that would be -- yesterday (9:33 per mile) was 3 days from my last fast miles and cool weather.  Today I should have had some residual fatigue from yesterday's fast miles, plus quite a bit warmer.  There is always something unexplainable when it comes to running.  Then I went into a 1/2 mile transition, legs felt surprisingly heavy despite the good LHR miles.  The fast part:  5x1000, jogging out the mile after each repeat.  Mile-equivalent paces (for IJR's benefit) were 7:05 (159), 6:52 (165), 7:02 (165), 6:58 (168) and 6:55 (171), max HR 177.  Overall run was 12.12 miles in 1:47:04, average pace 8:50 per mile.  I like these 1K repeats.  They feel like they are doing the job without killing my legs.

The bruise on my inner thigh has shrunk considerably today.  I have learned that the muscle is called sartorius, a long thin muscle that attaches to the knee and to the hip. (Compliments of my son, who is taking the last exam of his first year of medical school this morning.  He also ran the first marathon in our family.)

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From Burt on Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:58:12 from 72.223.90.79

1k repeats? Very interesting. What a concept.

From I Just Run on Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:09:44 from 67.79.11.242

Thanks Flat for the remedial description. I know what you're saying about the unexplainable when it comes to running. For some unknown reason, yesterday, my left foot decided to act up. During my slow run the top of my foot got really sore, it was like needle pains around one of the tendons. Then the ball of my foot seemed to swell up a little (still is) and my middle toe now feels like it is strained. All of these problems brought on by a slow run...I've got to quit doing those slow runs! It's kinda like an old joke I remember about "the faster you go the better you feel" :)

From derhammer on Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:52:54 from 192.156.110.40

Nice job on the repeats, Flat.

From Kelli on Wed, May 18, 2011 at 14:04:43 from 71.219.96.115

If something isn't hurtin', it ain't workin'! At least that is how runners seem to THINK.

Nice job, I like the 1k repeat idea!

From Rye on Wed, May 18, 2011 at 16:33:58 from 71.209.62.116

Sartorius? Sounds like some creature from the past. Great consistent training for you. Glad your temps are tolerable.

From Stephen on Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:31:58 from 204.182.3.235

Let me know if you want any of our rain.

1326.26 miles in under 5 months. That's a long ways. You should have been a pioneer.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.345.000.000.0012.34

73F, 84%, SE 7 mph.  Getting hot and muggy and no relief in sight, beautiful running weather though.  This run felt hard from the beginning.  LHR miles were 9:38, not bad but not as good as yesterday.  Did 5 miles at GMP and those were increasingly difficult:  7:38 (156), 7:37 (161), 7:27 (166), 7:29 (171) and 7:10 (179), max HR 182 bpm.  The fatigue is building up, but that is OK for this point in the process.  No sign of injury, so not worried, just hope there is a payoff.  No TM miles at night, too tired.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.290.000.000.0010.29

79F, 83%, SSE 14 to 24 mph.  Can't honestly say this is the best running weather I have seen this year.  Hot deserty wind when I went out the front door, knew it was going to be a slog-it-out run.  Decided to do only LHR, 10.29 in 1:42:49, average pace 10:00 per mile.  Legs totally dead, interesting though that I was staying on pace throughout the run, no appreciable heart rate drift.  Undecided about what to do tomorrow, hoping to go fast but playing it by ear, feeling OK right now.

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From derhammer on Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:37:15 from 192.156.110.34

Fortunately the sun is not out, but brutal nonetheless. I am in the same boat about tomorrow, I want to get a solid MGP run in and it could be pretty hard to do.

From SlowJoe on Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:19:36 from 131.59.200.80

You guys seem to both handle it a lot better than me. Way to slog it out today.

From Stephen on Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:27:40 from 174.52.135.96

I think we stole your good weather and you got bad weather back. That's fair isn't it?

From flatlander on Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:34:42 from 76.31.26.153

DH and SJ: Funny thing, the heat doesn't feel so bad this year, maybe some residual effect from running so many miles in it last year? Maybe it will begin to wear on us later though.

Stephen, I hear it is still snowing there? Could that be true?

From Stephen on Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:11:57 from 204.182.3.235

No more snow in Orem, just rain, but the mountains got a lot of new snow last week.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.2112.670.000.0015.88

72F, 84%, E 5mph.  Weather is a little bit relaxed from yesterday.   We left the house at 6:30 this morning for a family trip to Temple (granddaughter's first dance recital), so had to get out the door at 4:00 to do this run.  I warmed up for 1.25 then picked out a loop which I thought was pretty close to two miles and did it 7 times.  My Garmin was out this morning, so I ran according to my cell phone, started the fast miles right as the minute changed, ran completely by feel and finished the 7th loop right as the minutes changed again.  Subtracting 35 seconds for two drink stops (yes, I counted off the seconds), total running time was 1:37:25, or 7:41 per mile. 

I was confused all day about how far I had run, and what my pace was.  According to a Google Earth application I pulled up on the computer before we left for Temple, the loop was 1.97 miles, I won't even write down how fast that is except to say I had a pretty high opinion of my running speed all day.  When we finally got home late Saturday night I had the Garmin working again, so took it out and ran the loop.  1.81 miles, a very different distance.  Based on how I felt when running, the 7:41 pace is about right, however, so I think that is the right number.  Bottom line, 7:30 per mile for UVM is still a very optimistic goal.  I will get a little bump from (i) the downhill course (less so because of altitude), (ii) cooler temperatures, (iii) taper and (iv) slightly lighter shoes.  On the other hand, I have to run more than twice the distance I ran this morning, and I will be running on minimal sleep due to flight schedules.

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From SlowJoe on Sun, May 22, 2011 at 16:03:02 from 184.79.24.255

Nice run...wow, 4am. I think the cooler temperatures will be what gets you there at UVM. It will be interesting, the elevation and downhill may almost cancel each other rout, but you'll have fresh legs and cool temps -- I bet you'll feel like a totally different runner.

From JG on Sun, May 22, 2011 at 18:26:18 from 74.176.224.60

Nice run ... looking good for UVM! 10 -15 sec/mile is nothing when you throw in some downhill & cooler temps ... and a little adrenaline pumping to help you maintain for the distance.

From Dan on Sun, May 22, 2011 at 19:13:02 from 24.209.83.20

I agree- UVM is looking good for you- nice job!

From PRE on Mon, May 23, 2011 at 07:31:42 from 99.50.214.225

Hey flatlander,

I responded to your post at my blog site (little late responding which is why I am telling you here). Also...what is the race you are referring to here(UVM)? Is it an Ultra? When is it?

From lightitup on Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:01:38 from 67.5.108.176

Ultra Violent Manathon? aka careening down the mountain at Utah Valley Marathon

From I Just Run on Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:04:45 from 67.79.11.242

I don't think the sleep thing is going to bother you at all for the UVM. It seems you are conditioning youself well for that part of the run... Getting up at 4:00 am ... Man, I call that dedication...!

From flatlander on Mon, May 23, 2011 at 21:34:41 from 207.88.181.2

SJ, I figured out last year, based on speed at a given heart rate, that altitude combined with cool weather and downhill is slightly faster than level running in the heat and humidity at sea level. I also looked up some pre-UVM workouts from last year and it appears I am closer to goal pace this year. Of course, last year I missed it goal pace by 25 seconds per mile!

JG and Dan, thanks, I sure hope so.

PRE, thanks, I'll go over there and check it. As my ever-helpful sister said, UVM means Utah Valley Marathon. It is a net-downhill course coming down the canyon into Provo, Utah.

E, that sounds hard on the knees.

IJR, didn't think of it that way, but you make a good point. I like the idea of sleep, just don't seem to do it as much as I used to.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.960.003.110.0010.07

59F, 69%, SSW 7 mph.  Wonderful running weather today.  Unfortunately this noteworthy weather is occurring in Anaheim, CA, here for a wind power conference.  Got up very late because of the 2-hour time difference, but it was just getting light, so perfect timing.  Ran 5 at LHR, average about 9:40 per mile, then did 5 x 1K at tempo, finishing off each mile with a jog:  7:21 (159), 7:14 (160), 6:59 (167), 7:03 (166) and 6:48 (174).  Basically ran the streets, a 5-mile loop around Disneyland.  Mostly flat, but some hills around the I-5 overpass, same kind of hills we have in Houston.  Lots of conventioneers out running, all of them slow just like in Texas, felt right at home.  Overall 10.07 miles in 1:30:57, average pace 9:02 per mile.  I am scheduled to fly out Wednesday morning, but there is a 5K race associated with the wind conference that morning, and I am enough of a junkie I might change my flight to run it, even though it has a $50 entry fee.  Hopefully good sense will prevail, but it never has before.

Comments
From Burt on Mon, May 23, 2011 at 21:38:32 from 72.223.90.79

I think you chased off the blog's other flatlander.

Say hi to Mickey.

From SlowJoe on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:44:28 from 184.79.24.255

Hey, great run. That 59 had to feel nice. Good luck on the 5K, I'm assuming you will run it!

From I Just Run on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:58:45 from 67.79.11.242

Hey if you go to Disneyland you'll see the water and light show our company designed it's the night show called "World of Color"...Say hi to Mickey for me too...!

From derhammer on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:35:04 from 192.156.110.40

That's funny, because after the first line I was like "what is he talking about?!" Never pass up an opportunity to race - go for it!

From flatlander on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 13:26:42 from 207.88.181.2

Burt, I hope not. Honestly didn't think anybody else would choose such a lame name. They should set this up so you can't pick somebody else's name.

DH and SJ: Thanks, even cooler this morning. I actually decided not to run the 5K though, oh well.

Preston, you are full of surprise talents. Next you'll be telling me you're an astronaut!

From I Just Run on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 13:29:32 from 67.79.11.242

Ahhhh.... Remember Flat, you can be anyone you want to be on the Blog... :}

From Burt on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 13:40:16 from 206.19.214.144

Yep, last post Sept. 21, 2010.

Nice job on not running today.

From Burt on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 13:40:27 from 206.19.214.144

I mean racing.

From flatlander on Thu, May 26, 2011 at 17:24:51 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, yeah, I'm actually 32 with a full head of hair. I just thought being an old man would be funny.

Burt, hope I'm not responsible.

From I Just Run on Thu, May 26, 2011 at 17:27:45 from 67.79.11.242

Welcome back to the Promised Land ... Wait a minute, it's more like Hell as hot as it is...!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.345.000.000.0010.34

54F, 70%, SW 2 mph.  Could get used to this.  Ran similar route as yesterday with a few variations.  LHR miles were at a slower pace, trying to get the stiffness out of my legs, then ran 5 GMP miles:  7:47 (151), 7:40 (155), 7:33 (160), 7:15 (165) and 7:30 (167).  Need to memorize this pace, legs don't know it well enough yet, which isn't good.  Overall 10.34 miles in 1:32:17, average pace 8:56 per mile.

I surprised myself by deciding not to run the 5K.  Changing flights turned out to be somewhat of a hassle with everybody trying to get out of Dodge tomorrow morning, would have had to pay extra and decided enough is enough.  I'll get to race soon enough.

Comments
From Smooth on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 17:07:14 from 67.2.121.30

WAY to get the miles and runs in while working conference and traveling!

Looks like great weather in Disneyland! :)

Are you ready for UVM?

From Dan on Tue, May 24, 2011 at 19:51:16 from 99.91.114.41

Nice weather, nice run... yeah I'd say you can get used to that.

From flatlander on Thu, May 26, 2011 at 18:27:44 from 198.207.244.102

Smooth, I decided today I am definitely not ready, but certainly looking forward to it. Gonna have fun no matter what!

Dan, it was punishing running in the local soup this morning.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

No running this morning due to early flight.  Got 4 TM miles at night, hill work.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.125.000.000.0010.12

73F, 94%, calm.  Apparently 90% humidity is some sort of a threshold for me, have done pretty well with higher morning temperatures so far this spring, including at least one day at 79F, but this humidity was an eye-opener.  Maybe it was divine punishment for the cool temperatures in California this week.  I made the run, but heart rates were very high.  LHR miles came in only about 10 flat, and MP miles were 7:35 (156), 7:20) 165), 7:33 (168), 7:20 (174) and 7:32 (176), basically felt almost like a 10K, although the legs feel OK today.  Total 10.12 miles in 1:28:34, average 8:45 per mile.  In any event, it's good to be home for a couple of weeks, slept well last night.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Thu, May 26, 2011 at 18:52:18 from 184.79.24.255

The running gods giveth and they taketh away. Everyone must be punished. Nice running as usual on those MP miles in the heat/humidity.

From baldnspicy on Thu, May 26, 2011 at 22:14:08 from 72.77.76.85

I agree with Joe. That's some tough climate! And Joe would know!

From allie on Thu, May 26, 2011 at 23:47:55 from 174.23.197.101

i have only experienced humidity a few times, and i don't enjoy it. sounds pretty brutal to run in 94% humidity, but you got it done. great job.

From Rye on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 00:07:29 from 174.27.71.83

94% humidity.... Is that like running in a warm shower?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.950.003.100.0010.05

64F, 77% and calm at start, 73F, 83%, E 5 mph to finish, must have been a brief cold front come through last night, it was definitely warming up quickly during the run.  It felt hot out there, but the temperature didn't lie, I ran better than yesterday, even though yesterday was off of a day of rest.  Did 4.75 LHR miles at about 9:44 per mile, transitioned for a quarter into 5 x 1K (rest intervals finishing off each mile, very convenient).  Mile-equivalent pacing for each 1000 was:  7:16 (157), 7:10 (161), 7:03 (165), 7:03 (169) and 7:06 (171).  It was hard but it felt good.

Wade and I are going to run a 5K in the morning that I found out in The Woodlands, a large planned community to the north of Houston up I-45.  I wasn't dying to do another short race right now, but I have done one a couple of weeks ahead of most of my last few marathons and it seems to work pretty well.  The real reason, though, was the entry fee:  US$1.00 and no tax.  I am way too cheap to pass that one up.  Best of all, no t-shirts and no pre-race speeches.  Just line up and run like you know what.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 09:43:09 from 184.79.24.255

That's my kind of race, good luck!

From I Just Run on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 09:44:58 from 67.79.11.242

Can't wait to hear what the prizes are for the winners! Maybe a cup of coffee at 7-11?

From Burt on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 09:57:05 from 72.223.90.79

No, I don't know what. What?

From I Just Run on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 09:57:58 from 67.79.11.242

Like "BURT" of course...!

From Burt on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:01:21 from 72.223.90.79

I should have known.

From Stephen on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:27:45 from 204.182.3.235

Flatlander doesn't work for you any more. You need a speedier name. I can think of one, but you probably wouldn't like it.

From I Just Run on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:30:07 from 67.79.11.242

How about Speedlander ... ?

From derhammer on Fri, May 27, 2011 at 14:40:35 from 70.113.125.159

Good luck on the 5k - hopefully they can afford course markers.

From Rye on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:22:36 from 174.27.71.83

Running at its simpliest form! No hype, just do it. Hey, that's a cool slogan, has anybody thought of that one?

From Steam8 on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:07:04 from 166.70.55.77

Good luck on your 5K today! The Woodlands are so beautiful! I lived in Houston for a year. We lived right by the Astrodome! It was an interesting year!

I loved your personal info. Congrats on Boston!

From flatlander on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 13:35:53 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks for the comments guys.

Stephen, come on, spit it out.

DH, no course markers, one water cooler at the end and that was it.

Rye, you are the first, you could be a race director I think.

Steam8, thanks for checking in! My son lives in the Astrodome area, a little sketchy in places down there. Hope you had a good time here (and safe).

Race: Run The Woodlands 5K (3.1 Miles) 00:20:52, Place overall: 7
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.000.003.100.008.10

80F, SSE 9 mph, 87%, sunny at 8:00 a.m.  Wade and I with his daughter Heather traveled to The Woodlands this morning for a 5K.  This was a lovely little race, perfectly executed by a local running store.  They run it twice a month year round.  It is kind of like finding a small out-of-the-way restaurant that nobody else knows about.  We weren't sure what to expect, but the online directions to the starting area at Barbara Bush Elementary School were good and we ended up pulling in 45 minutes ahead of time to a nearly empty parking lot.  Gradually people arrived to the point that when everybody was collected we had 100 runners. 

As I mentioned yesterday, the entry fee for this thing is "one dolla please".  I paid for all three of us and told them to keep the change.  We wondered how they could do timing at that price, forget the shirts, and when we got there we could see that there would be no electronic chips or bib numbers.  They did it by handing out popsicle sticks with numbers on them as you crossed the finish line.  A recorder would write down the time for each stick as it was passed out and then "if you want your name on the internet" you gave them the name that goes with your popsicle stick (apparently you can give them any name you want), and presto, official race results. 

I had a feeling this would be a faster than normal crowd for these parts and it was confirmed when I saw one particular ankle tattoo:  RTRTR, hard core guy.  Another noteworthy entrant appeared to be about 70 years old, taller than me and about 135 pounds max.  His shorts were distressingly short.  I told Wade and Heather that if I ever show up to a race dressed like that they had my permission to stage an intervention.  I hoped like heck he was not faster than me.

Texas is hotter than Hades and this one lived up to our reputation.  My splits were 6:33, 6:43, 6:55 and 6:59 for the stub, not what I would call negative splits.  The distance was spot on, ten thumbs up to these guys.  We ran around the parking lot twice then followed a path through the trees.   Alarmingly I got stuck behind some runners to start, but once we got out of the parking lot it was easier to pass people, and the course stayed on a fairly wide paved trail the whole way.  I passed the old guy in the Daisy Dukes at about 0.5 miles, so after that I was playing with house money.  There was a group of runners ahead of me that were running together, they must have run 6 flat on the first mile, but despite me slowing down I still passed all but one of them in the second mile.  A couple of them came back and passed me in the last half mile.  Sure enough, one of them made a wrong turn right before the finish line and I followed him, kind of a tradition for me.  But it got corrected within 4 or 5 seconds, so no major damage.  Highest heart rate was 186, but I felt like I maxed it out.  No nausea though, so maybe I have a reserve that I didn't find this morning.

I asked the race official what the winning time was and she said 17:45.  She also said the same guy runs this course about a minute faster in cooler weather.  So even though I missed my PR by 5 seconds, I'm blaming this race and every other slow run this summer on the weather.  This fall I will find a different excuse.  There were about 100 runners, so my 7th place finish was not quite as good as my 27th place finish a few weeks ago, but these are faster runners and all things considered I ran a better race.  Fun times in The Woodlands, we are definitely going to do this one again.

PM:  We celebrated my son's 18th birthday tonight, came home on a full stomach and ran 4 TM miles, hill work.  That was fun.

Comments
From I Just Run on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 13:33:43 from 166.205.15.99

So...? The prizes were popsickle sticks...with a number on them...cool..!

From Burt on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 14:05:08 from 206.19.214.144

the popsicle stick thing is exactly how they recorded the times for the Open Mile except this last time they upgraded to cards. Hey, it's Scottsdale.

Remember when you ran London's Run HM and I did the 10k? And I told you I was averaging a 7:15 pace until I found out I was going the wrong way? Then you were bragging on that to your wife and were all impressed? Then over night you surpassed that pace in the blink of an eye? Of course you remember, because I'm never going to let you forget.

From SlowJoe on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 14:13:58 from 184.79.24.255

Nice race in that heat. For comparisons sake, I dropped about 40 seconds between 5K races last year (on the same course) when the temperature dropped just 13 degrees (86 to 73) and the races were just about a month apart. So a 1-minute improvement sounds very reasonable to me, if you ran the same race in ideal temperatures. I'm sure you probably realize all that already, just sayin...nice run!

From Stephen on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 14:16:06 from 174.52.135.96

Nicely done. That is one incredible pace!

From derhammer on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 16:05:38 from 70.113.125.159

Nice job, Flat. Sounds like it was fun.

From allie on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 16:34:11 from 174.23.197.101

nice one dolla race, flat!

From Kelli on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 19:16:58 from 71.219.96.115

Heat will do that to you! But great race!!! Love the entry fee.

From Rye on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 21:33:58 from 168.103.128.41

I hope Daisy Dukes .....well you know what I mean, looked better than the old duffer. By the way, it's a tradition in our house that as the kids get into high school, that their running dad (me)arrives at their school to pick them up, I am styling my pink and black running tights with my shirt tucked in. They hate me for about 3 years. Then for some reason it's funny to them. Forgiveness is bliss. Nice time!

From Burt on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 21:44:47 from 206.19.214.144

Now Rye. Why will you use the word arse on my blog, but not flatlander's?

From SlowJoe on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 23:35:30 from 184.79.24.255

I'm still laughing at "distressingly short" shorts. Flat has a way with words.

From Burt on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 23:42:35 from 206.19.214.144

Of course he does. He's a silver-tongued lawyer.

From JG on Sat, May 28, 2011 at 23:59:04 from 74.190.49.213

Great race in 80 degree heat Flat! I think I would keel over if my HR hit 186!

From flatlander on Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:29:38 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, yup, but they were top-of-the-line popsicle sticks.

Burt, thanks, I had forgotten that. They say you shouldn't look back, but sometimes when progress seems slow it is helpful and humbling to remember where you came from.

Joe, interesting data point, I have to hit low 6s to top out on my local age group crowd, so that is encouraging to think about.

Thanks Burt, Stephen, Allie, Kelli and JG. Your support is most welcome.

Rye, embarrassing your teenagers is one of the few parenting pleasures available at that stage of our lives. I never think twice about it. In fact, I just act normal and it seems to work.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.136.000.000.008.13

79F, 82%, SSE 10-21 mph.  Suprisingly nice weather out there despite the temperature and wind.  I am now two weeks out, so won't be running anything more than 8 for the duration.  Warmed up two miles then took 6 at GMP:  7:41 (152), 7:26 (160), 7:23 (162), 7:32 (168), 7:20 (174) and 7:12 (179).  Overall 8.13 miles in 1:05:45, average pace 8:05, max heart rate 182.  Despite the junky heart rates, I feel good and am looking forward to running a respectable race at UVM.

Afterward I sat down outside to dry off.  It is actually quite nice at these temperatures just at sunrise, so long as no running is involved.  I saw a guy fishing and several different kinds of birds.  A great blue heron fishing along the edge of the lake and 6 or 8 red-wing blackbirds just being busy, couldn't tell that they were accomplishing anything.  These two are old friends from my days as a kid in Bear Lake Valley.  The red-wings have just recently shown up in my neighborhood, very cool.  Also saw mockingbirds eating bugs in the grass and arguing in the trees, two different kinds of swallows darting around like point guards, grackles (yuck) and a circling vulture who had an eye on me.  Three different kinds of airplanes, but I guess I can't count those.  Gotta love the long holiday weekends.

Comments
From JG on Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:06:29 from 74.190.127.138

Great job on GMP miles & nice bird watching!

From Dave S on Mon, May 30, 2011 at 18:16:14 from 4.254.221.20

Nice job on the run! Did you grow up on the Utah or Idaho side? I'm assuming that's the Bear Lake you mean? I always like to see and hear those Red Winged Blackbirds. Always one of the first signs of spring.

From I Just Run on Tue, May 31, 2011 at 00:25:27 from 71.41.149.142

Wait a minute...Are you messing with us? I don't think these two sentences (" 79F, 82%, SSE 10-21 mph. Surprisingly nice weather out there despite the temperature and wind.")should go together in the same run report! Maybe those vultures sense the hallucinations just before death...!

From flatlander on Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:05:33 from 76.31.26.153

JG, yeah, usually there are quite a few ducks around, mostly mallards but some others occasionally. Didn't see any today though.

Dave, yes, my dad had a rock quarry on the east side of the lake, he put the sandstone on several of the churches in Bear Lake Valley. We lived there until about 1968, so a long time ago. I see you live in Preston, I've driven through there more times than I can count, still go up Emmigration Canyon occasinally looking for huckleberries but haven't found any in the last several trips.

IJR, I decided long ago that any day you are out running is by definition great running weather. Some day too soon it will all be over. Funny though, today felt hotter than yesterday. I guess it was just one of those days when everything clicks.

From flatlander on Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:11:08 from 76.31.26.153

Dave, forgot to mention, our house was in Wardboro, which is on the outskirts of Dingle, which is on the outskirts of Montpelier. Idaho side all the way!

From Dave S on Tue, May 31, 2011 at 21:36:35 from 4.254.225.224

Wow! good thing. You know about those Utah folks across the border. Ha Ha. Actually I grew up in Sandy Utah. I've lived hear 16 yrs but still feel like a newcomer sometimes. I do know where Dingle is and also where some of those huckleberry patches are.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.000.000.000.0012.00

77F, 84%, SSE 7 mph.  Not bad weather out there, especially for a slow day, but we need rain.  Ran 8.00 miles in 1:18:57, average pace 9:52, LHR.  The taper continues.

PM 4 TM miles hill work.

Comments
From derhammer on Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:53:57 from 192.156.110.33

It's crazy to think 80 degrees and 80% humidity is not a "bad" day. :-)

From SlowJoe on Tue, May 31, 2011 at 13:28:56 from 131.59.200.80

I hear you on the rain. Looks like all is going well with your taper thus far.

From Dan on Tue, May 31, 2011 at 20:38:07 from 24.209.83.20

Well done, I know tapering can be tough on the mind. 'The taper continues' makes me think of some epic trilogy ala Lord of the Rings style.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.903.100.000.008.00

71F, 95%, ENE 4 mph.  Nice balmy morning, honestly it felt comfortable after the last couple of days.   Was still sweating like a porcine mammal at the end though.  Slept in because school is out, went out late and did my run.  3 miles LHR at 9:33 pace then 5 x 1K at approximately half marathon pace:  7:25 (153), 7:23 (158), 7:23 (163), 7:21 (164) and 7:11 (169).  I jogged out each mile at 8:30 to 9:00 pace.  overall 8.00 miles in 1:08:32, average pace 8:34.  Felt pretty good the whole time, but at these heart rates I ain't gonna hit 7:30 at UVM, no matter how I slice, dice, adjust, extrapolate and pray.  I still think I will run a good race, though.  I can feel my legs getting a little bit stronger now that I am cutting the mileage back.  No new injuries are popping up, the old ones are under control, and I have a great attitude.  As Joe used to say (before his first marathon), what could go wrong?

Comments
From I Just Run on Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 10:42:00 from 67.79.11.242

I don't know how a "porcine mammal" sweats but I do know I could have poured water out of my shoes at the end of my run today! Bad thing is I was starting to get blisters because of all the sweat. I think this heat and humidity is really causing the heart rates to get up there. My HR seems to be running 5 to 10 BPM faster than normal on the same runs.

From derhammer on Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:23:57 from 192.156.110.34

Flat - the "great attitude" is the most important. The mental part of the marathon, as you know, is the most critical. That is what has me scared. I have worked on my mental toughness but it is not where it needs to be.

What is your taper plan mileage wise? I am always insecure - too much mileage, not enough, etc.

From I Just Run on Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:45:03 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Der Hammer & Flat,

I think you guys should try my method of taper... 20 days off, 5 days of hard run and then RACE .... !!!

You know I was thinking about offering up my servies and advise as a running coach, but you guys are too good of friends for me to take advantage of you so the advice is free this time!

Have a happy taper!

From Smooth on Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 11:52:58 from 67.2.107.37

The hay is in the barn!! You will do GREAT at UVM!!!

From JG on Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 12:00:57 from 74.176.220.126

You may not run 7:30's @ UVM, but it looks to me like you are looking strong for a 10 minute + PR ... which is awesome!

From SlowJoe on Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 14:45:16 from 132.3.53.68

Well, you never know what some cool temps, taper and downhill will get ya. Well, I guess you kind of know since you've run it before. You know what I mean. PR for sure though, and probably a big one. Nice runnin'

From Dan on Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 22:37:49 from 24.209.83.20

Agreed on the mental edge. I am still a fan of 90% of running a marathon is mental and the rest is in your head! Yep, the training is set, this is the time to strengthen back. I think you're looking good.

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 13:02:28 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, I would say it goes up at least that much, maybe even more. Thanks for the free coaching tips by the way.

David, I hear you on trying to peg the taper just right. I am trying to do 80% this week, but the main difference is not so many fast miles. Don't know if it will work or not.

Smooth, thanks, hope things work out for you as well at UVM, saw your blog and it looks like you are going through a tough spot. I'm pretty sure you'll be toeing the start line though.

JG, Joe and Dan, thanks, I hope so. The altitude is the wild card though, not sure what it is going to do to me.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

69F, 85% and calm to begin, 76F, 71% and calm at end, rapidly moving to 102F today.  Might as well live in Burt's town.  I thought there would be no time to run today with some work pressures, but insomnia hit so I got up plenty early to get everything done.  Finished up and headed out the door at 6:00 for a LHR run, 8.00 in 1:15:37, average pace 9:27 per mile.  Close to a LHR PR for me, one mile was 9:02 which was a PR, but the heat eventually caught up with me and the last couple of miles were over 9:30.  Legs are definitely a little stronger, even after running 1K repeats yesterday.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 19:27:24 from 184.79.24.255

Nice starting temp anyway. Also nice to see the LHR PR pop up so close to UVM.

From I Just Run on Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 19:37:12 from 166.205.15.43

Hey Flat

I was wondering what your LHR is based on the spreadsheet i sent you. I've been considering 139 my (max) LHR and running to that on a "easy recovery" day.

From Dan on Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 20:58:00 from 24.209.83.20

you still make me smile with those 1K references :) Taper away!

From I Just Run on Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:31:54 from 67.79.11.242

If you lived in Burt's town think of all the fun you could have running with him :-)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.903.100.000.008.00

69F, 89% and calm to start, 82F, 77%, ESE 8 mph to end.  Wind turning to the southeast again so the weather will change by tomorrow I'm sure.  Slept in (7 hours of sleep!) and got out at 6:30, pretty warm by the time I finished.  Did 3 LHR miles, average pace 9:18, followed by 5 x 1000:  7:18 (151), 7:09 (157), 7:10 (160), 7:15 (163) and 7:20 (167), average 7:14 (160).  Wednesday's 5 x 1000 run was: 7:25 (153), 7:23 (158), 7:23 (163), 7:21 (164) and 7:11 (169), average 7:21 (161) so a little better today, taper appears to still be working.  More importantly, I feel better post-run today.

Intended to do some TM hill work last night, but attended my son's high school graduation instead.  I suppose that is more important?  His graduation with 800 of his closest friends bore no resemblance to my own class of 50.  But since we were 75 strong as juniors, the academics must be similar.  I graduated at the end of the hippie era, so political student speeches were the order of the day:  railing at Nixon, the school board and drug laws.  Now everything is sanitized, student speeches are approved in advance, as are prayers.  Valedictory speeches are history, because everybody is a winner now.  And the crowd is patrolled by the sheriff's department -- some beach ball throwers were escorted out to begin their life as criminals.  Kind of miss the old days.  The real party starts afterward, and it can be dangerous.  But for some unknown, unexpected reason my son stayed home, maybe he is turning a corner.

Comments
From Burt on Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 19:30:35 from 206.19.214.144

You have the best stories.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.010.000.000.0010.01

65F, 97%, finishing up at 72F, 87%, calm and clear.  Air was fresh and clear, great day to be running.  Drove with Wade down to the Y and our group wasn't there.  We latched on to another group and ran 10.01 miles in 1:34:28, average pace 9:26 per mile, all LHR until the last 2 or 3, couldn't hold it after that.  We intended to only do 8, but noticed a new paved trail and decided to see where it went, that added an extra couple of miles but the trail was beautiful.  I have heard that you aren't supposed to do more than 8 as you get close to a race if you want a true taper, but hopefully the extra 2 didn't do too much damage.  Time goes very quickly when you have company, a fun run.

I am working on a carb depletion/loading plan this weekend.  There are a lot of theories out there, one of which is that if you change to about a 30 to 40 percent carb intake the first part of the week, then 80% the last couple of days, you get a super-loading effect.  Also, supposedly if you run some sprints (6 or 8, 40 to 80 yards) the day before, you get a similar effect.  Deciding whether to experiment or not.  I also have my sister-in-law's vegetarian pasta recipe, which I ate (the pasta, not the recipe) before the Richmond Marathon.  I am thinking of making it up, freezing it and bringing it on the plane with me to eat when I get to the hotel Friday night.  I think I can get it through security if I bring enough for the TSA guys to share.

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From SlowJoe on Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 12:49:51 from 184.79.24.255

Nice run. I've read about the carb depleting prior to loading too, but haven't felt like trying it yet (although I would love to eat steak for every meal for a few days). Let us know what you end up doing.

Have fun with the "enhanced" pat down by TSA.

From Rye on Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 13:00:30 from 75.174.13.142

My daughter is a vegan...I have tried some of her concotions and I am not sure the TSA dudes would be interested. Joe..."enhanced pat down" sounds interesting..

From derhammer on Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 16:12:04 from 70.113.125.159

I have had great luck with this plan, and so have many runners in my club. The best part is you can eat normally up to the day before, and it has been scientifically proven to work as well. I pretty much drink most of my carbs the day before as well. You are probably familiar with it but thought I would post anyway. Good luck in what ever you choose to do. http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/carbo-loading-managing-your-glycogen-intake-without-overloading-on-glucose-65

Here is some good info about the carbo depletion plan: http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/factsheets/competition_and_training2/carbohydrate_loading

From flatlander on Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 21:27:04 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks guys, have been working on this today. The added complication is that I am going to be in Panama later in the week, flying out on Friday and turning right around and flying to Utah. Not sure what is going to be available in Panama. DH, I read those linke and they are interesting. What drink are you using and is it powder? That might be part of a solution. I got a carb powder today at my son's weird weightlifting powder store, it is nasty sure enough, we'll see how I feel later tonight. I don't want to put on 5 pounds just for the sake of carb loading.

From I Just Run on Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 22:19:13 from 166.205.11.200

I need to work more on my prerace diet. I ate two pieces of pizza yesterday before my 10K today and felt good. I ate a big pasta lunch the fay before the OKC marithon and felt sluggish on racr day. Obviously i don't know much about prerace loading but i am going to follow Der Hammers suggested plan before my next big race.

From I Just Run on Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 22:21:36 from 166.205.11.200

Hey....I just noticed the new blog picture...nice. i see you went to orange, i did too after SlowJoes results wearing orange!

From derhammer on Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 22:52:09 from 70.113.125.159

Flat, I use this stuff. It is completely tasteless and mixes well with anything. You will be able to find it at a good bike/tri shop since it seems to be something that cyclists use. Same company also has a drink that I have not used but 1200 calories in one bottle. Others I know have used it with good results.

http://www.trisports.com/carbo-pro2lb.html

http://www.trisports.com/carbopro1200.html>

Also, Gatorade came out with a PRO series of stuff. There is a PRO Prime that has almost 400 calories in a small bottle and tastes pretty good. I found it at Dicks' Sporting Goods.

From flatlander on Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 07:42:03 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, thanks for the feedback on the picture. Interestingly enough, it isn't showing up on my computer, just the old one. Not sure what the problem is. The orange is what I race every marathon in, that picture is my finish at UVM last year, just so nobody will think I'm fast.

DH, thanks, I'm going to check these out.

From Burt on Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:16:22 from 72.223.90.79

Check this out Preston.

http://burt-mccumber.fastrunningblog.com/blog-2010-London-s-Run-10k-errr-11k-/01-30-2010.html

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 12:38:29 from 184.79.24.255

Flatlander was the original orange-shirter. I remember his old profile picture was so pixelated that the orange shirt was about all you could see.

From Kelli on Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 22:54:05 from 71.219.96.115

I think Pizza and Ice Cream the night before is the key...really!

I have actually done the sprinting thing, last year before a huge marathon PR. I LIKE IT!!! It was enough to get the legs moving, but not too much to be tired!

NOW, bummed I can not run much yet. I really wanted to come down to the race and meet you! Our local 5k/10k/1 miler is that day and while I can not do the 5k myself, all of my kids are signed up and then we watch the parade so it takes all morning. We do it every year, but it is typically later in June. BUMMER!!!!

I will be rooting for you from Herriman!!!!

From flatlander on Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 23:13:19 from 76.31.26.153

I just wanted to post that one to remind myself what I looked like coming in last year at UVM. If I look like that again, hopefully it will be because I ran faster.

DH, thanks for the info on Carbo-pro. Looks like that will be a good solution for me since I'm traveling and it's easy to take powders.

SJ, glad you saw the orange shirt instead of my knobby knees. Burt saw only my knees, he still has nightmares.

Kelli, have fun with your family, I'm sure I'll catch up at some point, maybe SGM? Thanks for all your support.

From Kelli on Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 23:16:08 from 71.219.96.115

Are you running SG? OK, we will have a blogger party! Now we just need to find a house to have it in since we will all be in hotels!

From flatlander on Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 23:21:43 from 76.31.26.153

Yes, I got in this year, very excited to run it again. A blogger party would be a great idea, let's definitely keep that one in mind.

From JG on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 00:36:14 from 74.176.220.126

Nice run Flat! I am terrible on nutrition, so can't give you any advice there! I did a version of DH's liquid carb loading this past Friday & it seemed to work pretty well ... but not sure I would recommend it or plan on making it a ritual! 6 ice cold Yuengling Lagers! :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.020.000.000.006.02

71F, 96% and calm.  Supposedly we had rain last night but if it happened I slept right through it.  Checked all the taper programs I could find and didn't see anything that recommends more than one day of fast running in the final week, so took it easy today, 6.02 miles in 56:49, average pace 9:26 per mile.  Either tomorrow or Wednesday I will do either 3 miles fast or 3 x 1000 fast, still thinking through that.  Then my pre-carb-loading sprint on Thursday or Friday and that is it.

My son broke up with his girlfriend.  It was a long and damaging relationship.  But one of my many personality defects is my love of black humor.  So I have been laughing inside for several days about this sequence involving his ex's memorabelia:

May the blue bucket rest in peace.  Happy first week of summer everybody.

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From Lily on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:24:52 from 67.199.178.210

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

This cracked me up so much. And yeah, don't do much fast running in a taper :)

From JG on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:32:07 from 74.176.220.126

That is hilarious! I will have to remember that gas & plastic make for a great way to soured memorabilia!

Have a good taper week & best of luck next week!

From I Just Run on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:32:27 from 67.79.11.242

It's a wonder you could even run today with all the "drama" going on at your house! Ha ha ... I have a 15 year old boy, I know exactly what you're going through :-)

From Dan on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 15:44:24 from 216.68.180.6

And I have a16yr old daughter, certainly know how the can get... Good choice on the run imo, stay slow

From SlowJoe on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 19:40:39 from 184.79.24.255

How long before they get back together?

Are you serious that this is just the first week of summer?? %$#@!

From seeaprilrun on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 22:25:59 from 174.70.177.86

Nice! I love the play-by-play. That is some killer humidity. Your taper plan sounds solid enough!

From flatlander on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 23:36:26 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks everybody. Life is too easy with this taper, starting to doubt myself but trying to stay strong.

From Dan on Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 23:44:02 from 24.209.83.20

No doubts, no worries, you got this man

From Steam8 on Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 00:56:45 from 166.70.55.77

Tapers are hard. I am always glad that I did it during the race.

The break-up burn made me laugh. I have done that before! ha!

From derhammer on Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 10:39:07 from 192.156.110.34

I did "the burn" once a long time ago, but I used a grill. It didn't erase the memories, though.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.141.860.000.006.00

68F, 78%, calm and clear.  There was rain yesterday and last night, not a lot, but the air was fresh this morning, great running conditions.  Did 3 LHR miles (9:25 average pace), then 3 x 1000 at GMP, jogging out the mile: 7:31 (154), 7:20 (158) and 7:20 (159).  Not super easy but not too much of a stretch either.  Overall 6.00 miles in 52:21, average pace 8:43.  Feeling good, but LHR speed is no longer picking up, one interpretation being that I have tapered long enough.  Probably better to go to the start line slightly tired than slightly out of shape.  Depending on how this race goes, I might go back to a 2-week taper for the next one. 

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From Stephen on Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 10:01:45 from 204.182.3.235

Looking forward to seeing you this weekend. I think you've prepared perfectly for the race of a lifetime. As much as I'd like to see my son beat you, I'm not sure he can. At 24, his age is starting to catch up with him.

From Smooth on Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 10:13:16 from 67.2.98.167

Your training and preparation has been so so so solid!!! Your hard work is gonna pay off very nicely come Sat. Can't wait to hear all about it!

From I Just Run on Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 10:29:55 from 67.79.11.242

I know you're going to do well in the race....Everyone I blog with has broken every PR they were shooting for since I started blogging! The common denominator is ME ... I must be the good luch charm, you don't have anything to worry about :-) Now doesn't that make you feel secure and confident! LOL

From JG on Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 12:11:59 from 74.176.220.126

Good luck Saturday! Your taper looks good, you have run enough to not lose fitness, and rested legs will pay dividends! They are not only resting, they are building back stronger from all your great training ... run with confidence!

From Dan on Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 21:46:16 from 24.209.83.20

I agree, you are physically ready. The mind, keep it sharp. Read some motivation quotes or drag out Hoosiers :)

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 00:11:31 from 200.46.103.228

Stephen, sure hope I see Brian at the start line.

Smooth, best of luck to you on Saturday, I'm sure you'll do great.

IJR, guess it's too late to send me a photo or something I can carry with me down the mountain? Need all the luck I can get.

JG, man, I hope you are right. Nothing to do now but run it.

Dan, Hoosiers! Never made the connection. That is one of the best sports stories ever in its own right, and a great movie as well. Somehow I don't think I am a threat to win this thing though, even though it is the same distance for me as everybody else.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

73F, 93% and calm.  Very nice but it got muggy fast.  Ran 6 at LHR, average pace 9:41.  Heading out on a business trip, back in Houston on Friday then off to Utah.  Taking my carb powders with me for the carb-slamming ceremony tomorrow morning, can't wait.

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From I Just Run on Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 10:13:22 from 67.79.11.242

No binge drinking those carbs now...! Take it easy :-)

Hope you have a good trip!

From Stephen on Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 10:26:10 from 204.182.3.235

"Carb slamming ceremony" Where do lawyers come up with all their jargon?

From Rye on Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 18:43:03 from 75.174.13.142

Ya Stephen, sometimes I hate to even comment on Marks blog. He has such a way with words.I have blog envy. Enjoy the weather out here in the west flat.

From Dan on Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 22:36:31 from 24.209.83.20

Have a good trip! Enjoy the carbs!

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 00:12:22 from 200.46.103.228

Thanks guys. No lawyer jokes, Stephen, remember I already know all the punch lines.

From Steam8 on Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 09:04:42 from 166.70.55.77

You are going to love running here after running in muggy Texas! I don't miss running in Houston at all! The weather looks great for the next week. I hope you have fun here. Better hit some trails too, the mountains are gorgeous!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.000.000.000.501.50

I am in Panama City attending a Central America private power conference.  More importantly, it is 48 hours out from UVM, so I'm not really thinking about power at all.  Today is my carb slam.  I got up at 5:00, went downstairs at 5:30 and asked when the restaurant opened, because I wanted to go directly to the breakfast buffet as soon as I finished.  6:30.  Back to my room and weighed myself.  155, I like these scales, I'll probably come back.  I mixed up my first batch of carb powder, answered some e-mails and went downstairs again at 6:30 and got on a stationary bicycle.  Not really smart to run outside in Central America, so I had my choice of torture machines in the gym.  I picked the bicycle on the theory that I would either injure myself on a treadmill, or I would fall off, or it wouldn't go fast enough for a VO2max workout.  Bikes are supposed to be good cross-training for runners, so I thought maybe that would work.  Nothing like venturing into the unknown 2 days before a marathon, but that is going to be the theme all day.  20 minutes to figure out how the bicycle worked, then 5 minute warmup.  Then 3 minutes all-out, basically as fast as I could go.  Last 30 seconds I threw caution to the wind.  Got a really good lactate burn out of it, which I still have.  I really hope I burned the right muscles.  Then a 5-minute cool down, and sat down and drank the first batch of carbs, 50 grams.   Nasty stuff.

I put on warmup shells and proceeded immediately to the restaurant which by now was open.  Today's menu was fruit plate, yogurt, granola with skim milk and sugar, 1 glass of orange juice, 3 glasses of cranberry juice, bagel with cream cheese, scrambled eggs, 2 servings of beans and hash browns.  As I made trip after trip to the buffet line the staff looked increasingly concerned, I saw one of them quickly checking food reserves.  I am an honored guest but not the only guest.  I'm guessing 200 grams for breakfast.  I need 700+ grams of carbs today, not sure how I am going to make it, only at 300 so far (including the second batch of carb powder I am now gagging down).  I can't eat another bite.  So that is the report from the jungles of Central America.  Can't wait to get to the mountains.

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From I Just Run on Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 11:19:08 from 67.79.11.242

I don't know why but everyone's posts are making me laugh this morning. For some reason I invision you in a crazy feeding frenzy :-)

BTW...Rossy would be proud of your food comsumption descriptions. He describes it as "Trying-To-Go-Out-Of-My-Way-To-Eat-Healthy Challenge:".

Have a great binge...!

From JG on Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 12:18:32 from 74.190.55.151

Happy Eating! Bike is a great way to get the blood flowing in your legs & rest them from pavement pounding! You might want to do an easy 20 minutes tomorrow morning just to loosen the legs up, but I wouldn't do any strenuous pedaling. Travel safe & have a great race Saturday!!

From Dan on Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 21:41:54 from 24.209.83.20

Eating is suppose to be the FUN part of the pre-marathon!! Nice report from Central America, best of travels to the mountains.

From Steam8 on Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 21:42:10 from 166.70.55.77

Made me laugh too! I hate the carb days, I always have to gag the food down and feel sick from being too full. Good Luck! Good Luck!

From allie on Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 22:11:52 from 24.10.191.18

holy smokes you are good at eating. nice job on the carb slam, and best of luck at UVM. we've got some awesome marathon weather waiting for you!

From SlowJoe on Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 17:15:42 from 184.79.24.255

Hope all your travel goes as planned today, good luck tomorrow.

From Kelli on Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 18:56:11 from 71.219.92.225

Jungle vs mountains??? Hmmm.....not sure which sounds like more fun!

Good luck with the race tomorrow! Sorry it did not work out for me to be there cheering people in. It is more important to cheer my little one milers in AND I would have been sad to not be able to keep up with anyone!

From PRE on Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 15:10:37 from 99.50.214.225

Good job with the cross-training and nutrition report. That is something I need to improve upon (nutrition, hydration).

Hoping you do well with the upcoming race. Looking forward to the report.

From flatlander on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:01:39 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks everybody, I'm very slow in replying, kind of like sending out Christmas cards in January, but thanks anyway. The race was OK, not great, back to the grind as soon as I recover, hoping for a better day at St. George. Your support is much appreciated, and may there always be another run for all of us.

Race: Utah Valley Marathon (26.22 Miles) 03:41:46, Place overall: 386, Place in age division: 13
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0026.220.000.0026.22

I think the problem was dehydration, and it was caused by an inability to process liquids or nutrients.  This has happened at all three marathons I have run at this altitude, and to a lesser extent at St. George.  I was able to push through better than those races, but it was the same old battle.  Maybe lack of sleep, maybe too much traveling, maybe too much unusual food this week -- if it was altitude I don't see the connection, because my heart rate was too low today, not too high.

I stayed in Midway last night and my brother drove his son and me to the start line.  Got a little extra sleep that way, but it wasn't much.  I ate a bagel and drank some orange juice, but the bagel felt heavy in my stomach, like it was just sitting there.  I figured it would be fine by the gun, but it turned out to be an omen.  I wandered around for a while, found Smooth and some others, hooked up with Byron and Marci, (brother-in-law and sister-in-law), and was talking to them when the gun went off.  Checked my watch and it was 6:00 straight up.  The logistics on this race have improved a lot, this is now one of the better-run races I am familiar with, definitely attracting fast runners and has the potential to grow exponentially if they want it to.

It's OK to stop reading now, but just for the record, here are my splits (no HR until third mile)

1-5:  8:25, 7:31, 7:37 (165), 7:56 (161), 8:02 (157).  First mile I realized I was too far back in the pack, but didn't mind taking it slow to warm up.  I was into a rhythm by the second mile but had to back off when my heart rate reading started to show, so fourth and fifth miles were intentionally slower.  At this point I realized I had stomach problems, but there were lines at all the PoPs, so I kept going, felt strong otherwise.  I took a drink at all the aid stations until late in the race when I knew it was coming back up.  Also took EFS at miles 5 and 10 but couldn't stomach it after that.

6-10:  7:56 (159), 7:59 (160), 8:47 (162), 8:50 (160), 7:51 (158).  8 and 9 were the hills, pretty much managed to keep my heart rate down but the pace suffered.  Still no available PoPs.  At this point I was still racing according to plan and I thought that even with a 1-minute PoP stop I could still get a good time once we started down the canyon.  Took my last swig of EFS.

11-15:  7:50 (161), 10:18 (157), 8:04 (164), 7:55 (165), 7:57 (165).  Lost 2-1/2 minutes at the PoP just after mile 11, ended up waiting, should have just pushed through to the half, where there were millions of open ones.  Mental error, but it wasn't the story of the day.  By this time I had pushed my heart rate up into the 160-165 range and was still getting sub-8 miles fairly often, but things were happening and I was getting pretty worried.  My legs didn't like the constant downhill, but that wasn’t the story either.  I just wasn't processing liquids.

16-20:  8:18 (165), 8:30 (165), 8:08 (161), 7:58 (161), 8:28 (162).  Was supposed to go to 165-170 on heart rate at this point, but was fighting my stomach pretty badly.  Felt lucky just to maintain low 8s on the downhill parts.

21-26.2:  8:15 (164), 8:34 (161), 8:50 (161) (mile 23 at Richmond was 7:53), 10:03 (155) (I think there was a hill right here), 9:18 (155), 9:08 (157) and 9:11 pace for last .37, overall 26.36 miles at 8:25 pace.  (I showed the course as .14 long, would be interested to see what others' readouts were.  If it was long I know exactly where it happened, most of the miles were exactly on according to my Garmin.)  By this point in time my heart rate was about 20 bpm lower than it would have been for a good race.  Pretty much pure agony in this stretch, I was counting down by the tenths of a mile.  I came very close to giving up and walking it in, but I was pretty sure I would throw up if I stopped so I somehow kept going.  The aqua blue finish line balloons were visible from a ways away, which gave me the mental energy I needed to finish.

There was a woman who appeared to be in my age group that I followed down the canyon, could never get ahead of her without ruining my race plan (not that much was left of it by this point), then she pulled away coming down University, beat me by about 3 minutes.  I found her afterwards and asked her as delicately as I could how old she was, as in "How old are you?"  She was 55 but didn't know how she had done in her age group.  Turns out she broke the 55-59 women's age group record by 23 minutes.  She is from Kansas, but obviously wasn't having altitude problems.  (Actually, I don't know that, she might be a 3:20 marathoner for all I know, but if she is she is probably the fastest runner in her age group in the country.  This is another reason I think it was my stomach more than the altitude.)  On the men's side, the age group record was also broken by a 14-minute margin, somebody ran 3:00 flat.  If I had run close to my projection, in the 3:17 to 3:25 range, I would have finished third, instead it was 13th.  My nephew Brian ran 3:19, which was a 10-minute PR for him.  He is off to medical school, so I'm guessing he won't be running many more marathons for a while.  Good runner.

Feeling slightly beat up this morning, but I survived to run another day.  I still have a Friday registration at Boston, so I'll probably get in anyway.  I have no injuries, and have run for more than a year now with no serious injuries.  I am thankful I can run and stay healthy, good day or bad day.

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From Dan on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:29:56 from 24.209.83.20

Hey good read and I didnt even stop when you said I could :) Good attitude about the race, and you are right about being thankful. I actually thought that's a pretty decent race man, and a great run when you consider the travels you just went through (not to mention race/stomach issues). Good Job!

From I Just Run on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 18:12:04 from 71.41.149.142

Hey Flat..I've been looking and looking for the race report. Sorry it didn't turn out the way you planned, I know about that! Even though I'm "new" to running I can tell you from my experience in roping and competing that the journey to the end is much more important than just the final outcome! You should look back on all of the physical and mental preparation as a victory in itself! One day may make a winner, but many days makes a champion!

Philippians 3:14

I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

I hope it's not illegal to post a scripture on someone else's Blog but I thought it was fitting for the circumstance...Keep pressing on...!

IJR

From JG on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:25:15 from 98.66.194.199

Glad you are feeling upbeat ... maybe not your best race, but a great time & a 20+ minute improvement on the same course last year! Tough to say what the stomach issues may have been, do you ever have them on your long training runs? I try to fuel for long runs the same way I do race day ... which for me is keep it simple ... lots of pasta & water. Introduction of anything new to your system that you are not use to, can cause stomach issues, even if it is a performance boosting, carb loading, or electrolyte drink! Do you ever take EFS on your training runs?

Keep up the great work & See you in Boston! :)

From Dave S on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:51:55 from 4.254.220.238

Sorry you didn't quite meet your goals but I like your good attitude about it. That's still a great time especially having to fight through the stomach issues! Hope you're able to get into Boston.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:58:10 from 184.79.24.255

I saw the results early and based on your 1:48 1st half, figured you had some kind of issue going on - glad to read it wasn't an injury. I think we've all had the water-sloshing-and-not-getting-absorbed issue, but how crappy to get it on a marathon! You fought through it admirably. Kinda cool that you can say you had a bad day and still BQ'd the race - an enviable position, I say!

From lightitup on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 20:53:50 from 67.5.116.91

Low heart rate, indigestion, plenty of water, and low na content of EFS? I'm guessing hypnatremia. And no, I'm not shy. :)

From lightitup on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 20:55:34 from 67.5.116.91

sorry, I misspelled, gasp. Hyponatremia. Now I'm going to bed.

From Burt on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 01:49:52 from 72.223.90.79

I see a 3:41 then I see "I think the problem was..." I just don't get you anymore Mark.

From Stephen on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:24:23 from 204.182.3.235

Thanks for the opportunity to get you and Brian to the start line. It was a great experience for me as a spectator. Hope you had a safe flight back home and that you can recover quickly.

From flatlander on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 19:01:28 from 76.31.26.153

Dan, thanks, I think the travels may have had something to do with it, but not much I can do about it.

IJR, thanks, you are welcome to post anytime you want. There will be better days, as you so aptly point out.

JG, I have done EFS before on training runs but probably don't do it regularly enough. I think I need to make a point of getting more long runs in just so I can get more miles under the hood on this type of stuff. Probably been concentrating on the fast stuff too much.

Dan, thanks, I heard some guys saying that somebody figured out statistically that if you are 3 minutes under you will probably get in to Boston. I'm in that range, luckily, so hoping for the best. I want to run it at least once.

Joe, thanks, it is a real mystery, but I'm feeling pretty good now that Monday is here, just glad I seem to have no injuries. Staying in the game is as valuable as a PR.

E, looking up HYNATREMIA now, be right back.

Burt, speed is like money, nobody ever has enough. Just call me a greedy whatever.

Stephen, thanks, feeling great and made it home OK today.

From Kelli on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:20:20 from 71.219.92.225

Great attitude! I find your reflections interesting, I wonder what it is that is causing issues for you. I am sure, for at least this race, traveling and odd food could have some major affects!

OK, moving on to bigger and better. The altitude is not so high in St George, it is going to be GREAT!!!

From Steam8 on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 02:50:04 from 166.70.55.77

Loved your post! Way to push through it! Some days are good run and others not. It is just hard to know until you get out there. I have had the stomach sloshing and not absorbing anything during my first marathon. That is no fun at all! I was siiiiiick! Altitude might have had something to do with it to since you were traveling before you got here. It was a great read...Great run!

From Rye on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 19:00:25 from 174.27.100.202

Way to push through flat... Sometimes the Running Gods smile on us and sometimes they don't. Running injury free is always good. Is it crazy in Texas with the Mavs sticking to Lebron, Wade, and company? Good luck with the rest of your goals.

From derhammer on Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:15:17 from 65.67.40.73

Hey Flat, sorry to hear the race did not go as planned. Obviously, the result does not reflect what you are capable of.

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:44:21 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks Kelli, believe me I am looking forward to St. George. I just haven't felt badly about this race, though. I left it all out there and am strangely happy with that.

Thanks Steam, love your attitude. A bad stomach is like having sand in your gears. Everything can be working just fine but you still can't go fast.

Rye, thanks. We don't like the Mavs too much here in Houston, but everybody I know was definitely rooting for them. It was a morality play and the good guys won.

David, thanks, trying to resist doing a make-up race. I need to be happy with the fact that I could run a 3:41 on a bad day. Life could be a whole lot worse.

From Smooth on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:56:20 from 67.2.124.123

I second derhammer! You have trained hard and solidly. You have the ability to run the race you've planned! So sorry about the tummy not absorbing fluids! I have heard of runners feeling the fluid sloshing around in their stomach. I have experienced that myself in one of my earlier marathons! when that happens, I would take a salt cap. And by the next aid station I could down water no problem! I usually take Gatorade at every aid station and sips or pour water on myself. Did you notice the color of your urine after the race? Were you able to drink or eat after you crossed the finish?

That lady from Kansas is not the fastest 55 yo in the country, especially not on an aided course like UVM. Christine Kennedy ran a 2:51:40 at age 56 in SG last year! Kennedy is from sea level CA! :)

From Smooth on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:59:35 from 67.2.124.123

Oh! I wanted to say YOU DID AWESOME!!! I would kill to run your time!!! EXCELLENT JOB!!!

From Kelli on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 14:50:10 from 71.219.92.225

Good, you should NEVER feel badly! One can only do what they can do, and it is different every day!

From flatlander on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:07:20 from 76.31.26.153

Smooth, just getting caught up today. Thanks for this helpful input. I used salt tablets early on but didn't like them. I should consider going back to them. I am going to do a lot of long runs this summer and try a lot of different stuff. To answer your question, there was no urine for several hours, even though I could eat and drink to a certain extent. That says a lot about the dehydration I think.

Thanks again Kelli, love your positive attitude.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.140.000.000.003.14

Hello again.

76F, 89%, SSE 4 mph.  Nice running weather this morning, slept in and it was already light when I headed out.  3.14 pi-shaped, LHR miles at 9:49 per mile.  Legs felt normal walking around yesterday so I thought it was time to get out, but they were definitely weak by the third mile.  I'll just come back slow.  It's been 5 days since the marathon, haven't really changed any of my conclusions, just a sub-par effort most likely traceable to an unsettled stomach.  My son said he tried my carb powders and they didn't set well ,with him either.  I'm going to be more diligent this summer about trying different hydration and nutrition strategies, lots of long runs in the heat.  Great.

Comments
From I Just Run on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:07:58 from 67.79.11.242

Welcome back...It's been kinda quite around here, good to hear nothing is hurting! Now, let's get back to work :-)

From Stephen on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:35:56 from 204.182.3.235

Wow! I averaged 9:49/mile with my interval training this morning. But the similarities stop right there. I hope your recovery goes well.

From derhammer on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:19:57 from 65.67.40.73

The one and only time I had orange juice before a workout it went badly. It was too acidic for me and I felt like throwing up the whole time. I haven't had juice before a run since. That was about 3 years ago.

So CarboPro didn't work for you? I love that stuff. I also tried Carbo Pro 1200 for this marathon and it worked equally as well. As you said, experimentation is the key.

From Steam8 on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:53:04 from 166.70.55.77

So glad you are back at it after only 5 days! I've had to experiment quite a bit. I get really sick during full marathons towards the end, but I didn't on my last one.

From SlowJoe on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 20:30:04 from 184.79.24.255

Maybe for the next one you won't have to go to Cental America 2 days beforehand!

From Dan on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 23:28:40 from 24.209.83.20

I'd try all that powder stuff way before your next race to make sure it agrees with you. Welcome back!

From flatlander on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:03:11 from 76.31.26.153

Sorry guys, forgot to reply here, thanks for all your comments.

David, I couldn't get my hands on CarboPro, tried pretty hard but couldn't find anybody who had it. I'll have to order it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.150.000.000.005.15

81F, 82%, S 7 mph.  Pretty good running for 200 yards, then it got hot.  I checked the upcoming weather and it appears that today was an anomaly, should be 75 or below for the foreseeable future.  I ran 5.15 miles at 10:13 per mile, that was my maximum LHR speed, the extra heat slowed me down compared to yesterday I think.  Wasn't particularly uncomfortable at today's speed and distance, but it was hot, no getting around it.  Legs felt OK during the run but today they feel like I ran a full workout, not just 5 warmup miles.  I better be careful.

Comments
From Burt on Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 13:46:55 from 206.19.214.144

81 is hot? Oh.

From I Just Run on Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 17:21:54 from 67.79.11.242

I felt really tired last week after every work-out as if each was a "full workout"...even on the short recovery runs. This heat is like a energy vacuum, it just sucks it out of you.

From Steam8 on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 02:13:22 from 166.70.55.77

You ran a marathon less than a week ago! Your legs need a break! I am usually still hobbling around at one week out! :)

From Stephen on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:29:56 from 174.52.135.96

I agree with Steam8, whoever you are. But the master will do whatever he will do and who can argue with the results?

From flatlander on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:12:12 from 76.31.26.153

Burt, don't be a hero, let us wallow in our misery.

IJR, that could be a cartoon hero, the Heat Vacuum. The more people racing, the faster he goes, leaving everybody else quivering on the sidewalk.

Steam and Stephen, you're right, of course. I have honestly been holding back a lot this week, and I am glad I did, feeling good today.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.610.000.000.007.61

81F, 86%, S 10 mph.  Pretty nice morning out there, the breeze felt good.  Went to the Y and ran with the regular group, but they were dying on the vine in the heat.  We were supposed to go 8 but ended up turning around early and walking parts of it.  7.61 at 9:19 per mile not counting the walking.  I thought I was the guy who was in recovery mode.  At least I didn't go too hard!  Wade wasn't there, so didn't really have anybody to do a regular run with.  Started to complain about my marathon a little bit then shut up when I realized I was making a spectacle of myself.  Of the ones who had run a marathon, I doubt that many were under 4:30.  Wade and I got invited to run with a faster group, so we'll probably do that and see how it goes.  Time to ramp it up a little bit starting Monday, but not too much; I ramped up too fast after the last marathon and might have set myself back.  Temperature is supposed to return to normal next week, I hope that materializes.

Comments
From Smooth on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:00:22 from 67.2.124.123

I seriously don't know how you run in that kind of heat! Not to rub it in, but it was in the high 50s here this morning! :) NICE JOB getting out there!

Here's to better temp and running with Wade next week! :)

From I Just Run on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 16:59:11 from 71.41.149.142

Ha ha... had to laugh when I read about your "spectacle"! Isn't it so funny how relative everything is? We go from one end of the spectrum to the other, from complaining to bragging about ourselves...All in the same sentence! I think the Bible has a great verse about that but I won't post it on your Blog ;-)

From Dan on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 20:47:54 from 24.209.83.20

Invited to the fast group huh? That has to feel good.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 15:55:25 from 184.79.24.255

Yeah I was relieved to see the heat wave may be coming to an end as well. Nice recovering this week, you'll be ready for the faster guys next week.

From flatlander on Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 15:31:24 from 198.207.244.102

Smooth, thanks, you can rub it in if you want, we all know I did the same thing last winter.

IJR, post away.

Dan, we'll see, it's kind of tricky especially for long runs because they are either going too slow or too fast or the wrong distance. But there is always a way.

Joe, glad it ended up there at least, seems worse than ever here.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.000.000.000.008.00

78F, 83%, S 6 mph.  A little cooler.  Ran 8.0 miles at LHR, average pace 10.09 per mile.  Heart rate drift is dramatic after only 3 or 4 miles.

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From I Just Run on Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:31:49 from 67.79.11.242

I know what you mean about the HR drift. Last summer I had really only started running (maybe 15 miles per week and 3 miles at a time) so I really don't have a base to compare to. But now, with the longer miles, I really start to see my HR change after a few miles in this heat!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.490.000.620.008.11

78F, 90%, S 5 mph.  It rained last night so I thought the air would be somewhat fresh.  Instead it was steaming off the pavement.  Started out with 6.5 LHR miles, average pace 10:02.  Even that was deceiving, because I met my neighbor Todd and started running with him at about 4 miles in.  Lost my LHR right there, because he was going just slightly faster than my easy pace.  Good to get caught up, though, he is making a charitable donation to his daughter's school which will get him into the Houston Marathon instead of going through the lottery.  Cool that they let you decide where your money goes.

After Todd veered off I contined and ran a transition 1/2 mile from 6.5 to 7, then busted out my best imitation of a 1K tempo interval.  Counterfeit all the way.  I don't bother with water on runs under 10 miles and I paid today.  I was thirsty at 6.5 and it just got worse.  Started out OK on the interval but quickly disintegrated into a blob on the pavement.  Goal was about 4:03 and I ran it in 4:15, 6:50 mile pace, average heart rate 178, which means my max was probably close to 190.  When I finished I had no choice but to sit down on the curb and feel sorry for myself.  After a few minutes I got up and did the jog of shame back to the house.  Good thing I only wanted to do one because it emptied the tank.  Misery loves company, though.  My daughter is visiting and decided to go for a run after I finished.  She was also complaining bitterly when she got back.  Something about the heat today is lethal.  If you just looked at the thermometer it wouldn't seem so bad, but I think the actual humidity, with the rain evaporating, was higher than the official reading.  At least we got some rain.

Comments
From I Just Run on Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:45:53 from 67.79.11.242

I'm almost embarrassed to say this but I really enjoyed my run on the treadmill today :-) I know just how you feel!

From Burt on Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:52:48 from 206.19.214.144

Sorry for the blobbiness.

From Dan on Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 21:28:07 from 24.209.83.20

I too don't bother with water on runs less than 10ish (unless I am doing hard intervals) and with the humidity - I feel your pain. Good job getting out, you guys have it rough down there.

From allie on Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 22:03:13 from 24.10.191.18

sounds like conditions are pretty brutal right now. way to get the miles in despite having to run through a steam bath.

From seeaprilrun on Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 08:21:50 from 174.70.177.86

Wow way to stick that run out. That kind of humdity is brutal!

From flatlander on Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:49:55 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, you and your TM, have you jimmey-ed it yet?

Thanks Burt, I hurt all day, like I had run a half marathon. Feeling fine this morning, though.

Dan, we love to whine.

Allie, thanks, hope your recovery is going well.

April, it is hotter than it should be, which gives me hope that the rest of the summer will be more normal. Still hot but manageable.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.320.000.000.004.32

82F, 82% S 7 mph to start, 70F, 88%, N 26 at end.  No injury, no worries, the truncated miles are weather-driven, in a good way.  It was the same old story when I stepped out this morning, very hot and very muggy.  Then about a mile and a half in I started hearing loud noises, first a moan and then a roar, in the tops of the trees.  Almost biblical out there in the dark.  Within 10 steps the wind turned and I felt a blast out of the north.  If not cold it was certainly cool.  Weather station is posting 70F and 26 mph, but it is cooler and windier than that out there.  At first it was just the wind, then a few drops at mile 3.  At mile 3.5 I heard some thunder so distant that I thought I was imagining it.  Then everything let loose and I came scurrying in.  Thunder means lightning, which is dangerous, the one weather condition I don't run in.  We may not have mountains here, or any hills for that matter, but south Texas thunderstorms are the best, they shake the ground.  Still raining hard an hour later, hopefully they are getting a good dose in Central Texas.  Too bad really, it was nice and cool out there, but best to live to run another day -- and to do all the other things I have to do in this life.

4.35 LHR in 43:46, average pace 10:08.

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From Huans32 on Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:19:30 from 138.64.8.51

Man duck and cover for sure man. That is a scare situation. Glad I got some mountains around me.

From Stephen on Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:19:33 from 204.182.3.235

Long live the running king! I'm glad you can live to run another day.

From I Just Run on Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:44:50 from 67.79.11.242

Ha ha...The heavy stuff had already passed so I got to run in a light rain...It was GREAT! We got 2.75 inches last night and it's still raining ;-)

The end of your blog reminded me of the end of a novel. Maybe you could write a complete story around it!

From JG on Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 17:24:43 from 74.190.130.251

Cool you are getting some much needed rain ... we just had one of those move in here, luckily I was already back from my run, as it came out of no where here too! Glad you got 4+ in!

From SlowJoe on Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 20:52:47 from 75.109.104.60

Better than no run at all, for sure. That's quite a quick change in conditions - those summer t-storms are definitely violent; we had downed power lines and trees Tuesday morning.

From Dan on Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 23:40:43 from 24.209.83.20

I run between storms too- lightning is one thing to avoid. Good job getting the miles in!

From seeaprilrun on Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:49:02 from 174.70.177.86

I echo your sentiments on running in thunderstorms--the one condition for me that is just a no-go. too dangerous.

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 18:43:16 from 198.207.244.102

Mark, thanks, good thing was it lasted all day, we needed it.

Stephen, don't know about that, but definitely in favor of running another day.

IJR, it would be a pretty sappy novel, I'm afraid, but those are the ones that sell, right?

JG, the good thing was it stayed relatively cool for this mornig, had a good run today.

SJ, we lost reception on our dish (for at least 10 minutes), so I consider Houston a national disaster area for one day.

Dan, we had lightning knock out the street lamp in front of our house once. Basically blew it apart, pretty spectacular.

April, luckily most thunderstorms happen in the afternoon around here.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.840.620.000.008.46

71F, 93%, calm and cloudy.  Felt great out there this morning, the storm has passed but it isn't hot yet.  We got a very good drenching most of the day yesterday, an honest to goodness storm that will go a long way toward alleviating the drought.  Ran 6.5 at LHR, 9:56 per mile, then 0.5 transition followed by 1K at 7:04 pace (168 bpm), followed by a 0.84 cooldown to my front door, 8:01 pace; overall 8.46 miles in 1:19:56, average pace 9:27.  The tempo interval felt much better today, no disorientation at the end, on the other hand my heart rate was 10 bpm lower.  So maybe 7:00 is my tempo pace instead of 6:30 -- at least it was nice dreaming about those faster splits.  Need to find a pace I can do two or three times a week for 5 repeats without trashing my legs.  Last cycle I was running the tempos too slow and ended up with not enough speed on race day.

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From Huans32 on Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 09:31:31 from 138.64.8.51

Great run and in the nicer temps. I had about the same temps and thought it was a bit hot. And here you are running in it thinking its cool.:) What training program are you following??

From I Just Run on Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:01:27 from 67.79.11.242

I had the same 71 degrees and very humid weather today but it did feel nice. I was drenched as usual at the end. What's your milage goal now (after the marathon)? What's your next race?

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 18:47:31 from 198.207.244.102

H32, I am going to try to do as much faster mileage as I can going into St. George, and run slow in between to build up stamina. Trick is figuring out the best mix of fast miles, as in tempos, intervals, sprints, etc.

IJR, good question, hoping to consistently stay over 70 but right now I am having a little trouble maintaining 8 a day. I think it's just hangover from the marathon though. Have you made a decision on TOU? I hope my experience at UVM didn't sour you to the idea, I am not ready to blame it on altitude, at least yet.

From Dan on Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 22:44:30 from 24.209.83.20

Nice job. Figuring out the ideal tempo and running paces is not always easy- hopefully that will maximize your training.

From SlowJoe on Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:38:41 from 132.3.53.68

Always good when you can run without getting disoriented. Something I haven't always been successful at on every run in the past...

From JG on Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 13:24:10 from 74.190.130.251

Excellent run Flat, 7:00 miles are always good & is probably a good tempo pace.

From flatlander on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:27:53 from 76.31.26.153

Dan, I feel like I don't know enough about the higher heart rate zones. Not sure where the maximum benefit is, so just trying to mix it up and experiment.

Joe, I didn't mean to imply that I knew what I was doing. I have been disoriented for the last 10 years.

JG, yeah, it seemed about right for a tempo pace, I was hoping to get a tempo pace this next round closer to 6:30 but that might be a bit premature for where I am.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.000.000.000.0013.00

Missed my run yesterday because of work pressures, some days there is nothing you can do, so a couple of mishaps this week on the miles leaves me quite a bit short.

This morning was 80F, 98%, calm with a very old moon, barely a sliver in the sky.  Wade and I met the "green" group at 4:30 down at the Y and I did 13.00 at a pretty good clip, 8:21 per mile, nothing faster than 8:07 and nothing slower than 8:36.  Average heart rate was 161, max 177.   I'm not sure what we are proving by running at 4:30 in the morning, hardly worth going to bed.  I had to get up at 3:30 just to make sure my GI tract was in order for the run.  There is one runner, Vivien, who needs to run early to meet other commitments, so I think that is why we are all doing it at that time.  One problem is that it hasn't completely cooled off by 4:30.  When we finished it was 75F, a 5 degree drop.

A little bit of competition in this group, unlike the slower group, who seem to thrive on not competing.  I can see both points of view, but it is fun to push and be pushed by other runners once in a while.  Eric is the fastest guy, has a 3:17 marathon under his belt, so at the turnaround he took off.  I was running with Helmut and Viven and sure enough, they chased him.  I had no choice but to go with them, since I was lost and I am afraid of the dark.  Toward the end I peeled off at the bridge and went the long way back in so I could get in a full 13.  The rest of them got about 12.8, in fact Eric faded with stomach issues.  Wade said he was only going to do 8 and turned back early, then ended up doing 11.5, he should have just stayed with us.  I felt strong in the legs but my stomach was bothering me to a certain extent.  I was using the faster pace in the heat to train with EFS, which tastes a lot like GU but not so sticky.  Managed to gag down two swigs, one at mile 4 mile and the second at about mile 9 -- probably 2 ounces altogether.  I figured out that running hard in the heat simulates the end of a marathon for me at 10 o'clock in the morning with the sun up, at least as far as stomach issues go, so now I have something to do this summer.

Time to get back to work next week.

Comments
From seeaprilrun on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:06:17 from 174.70.177.86

Happy 4:30. I was right there with ya about 600 miles away. It wasn't quite as muggy as that 98% yuck!! Good run! Group dynamics are quite fun and can really help pull a long run along that you wouldn't do on your own! That's a sweet pace in those conditions....look like you are setting up for a PR. Marathon this fall?

From I Just Run on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 13:40:49 from 166.205.9.91

Good run in the heat and humidity! Go to be fun running with the group. What is the EFS? I've pretty much started just drinking water during my did...trying to teach my body to use fat for energy.

From derhammer on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 16:50:53 from 70.113.125.159

Afraid of the dark? Come on now, Flat! Nice run - it is good to push it now and then.

From allie on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 17:17:51 from 24.10.191.18

nice running today. how do you like EFS?

From flatlander on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 17:37:09 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks April. Yep, running SGM with my brothers and sisters. Hope it's good weather that day.

IJR, EFS is just a brand name, it is a calorie/electrolytes type drink. Kind of pricey but not too bad if you buy the big bottle.

DH, didn't think I could get that one past you!

Allie, thanks. I don't like EFS but it works. 400 calories (I don't think I can absorb much more) and every electrolyte in the books. I think it delays the bonk by 3 or 4 miles in a marathon. I'm trying to get used to it, didn't process it too well at UVM.

From SlowJoe on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 18:08:10 from 75.109.104.60

Solid running in the heat, Flat. Either push the pace or literally get lost, I like that!

From Smooth on Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 23:54:54 from 67.2.109.45

NICELY done, Flat! WAY to run with the competitive group and assimilate the heat!

From Dan on Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 00:32:44 from 24.209.83.20

Nice run, sorry about work but I certainly know what you mean when it gets in the way and we have to do what we have to do. I may try EFS, but I still like the cliff blocks alot. (GU is ok, just too sticky and I feel like I need water RIGHT AWAY).

From Steam8 on Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 22:10:24 from 166.70.55.77

I hate getting up early to run too...it always means an hour early for me also! haha!! Nice 13!!

From flatlander on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:13:42 from 198.207.244.102

Joe, the heat gives me someting to complain about and it keeps my muscles loose, so not all bad.

Thanks Smooth, is Park City your next race?

Dan, it's good for me, helps me remember my priorities. Other than maintaining my health (which can done with a lot fewer miles), running at my age is not a very important thing. On the other hand, lots of people depend on me having a job.

S8, thanks, hope your summer running is going well.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.040.000.000.0010.04

77F, 90%, S 5 mph.   Felt very hot, heart rate faded badly toward the end.  10.04 miles LHR, average pace 10:33 per mile.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.672.480.000.0010.15

76F, 95%, calm and clear.  Better today, even though it was just as hot.  Ran 5.5 LHR then 5 x 1000 at about a 7:25 pace:  7:20 (154), 7:30 (171), 7:18 (178) and 7:23 (184).  Held up a lot better than last week, but it was not as fast either. 

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From SlowJoe on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 13:16:19 from 132.3.53.68

That humidity looks fun. Nice running, I can't seem to even attempt any speed right now...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.960.000.000.009.96

76F, 94%, calm and clear, the sauna continues.  Ran 9.96 at low heart rate, average pace 10:19 per mile, so better than Monday.  Very fatigued at the end.  Pace at the beginning was about 9:55 with a heart rate in the low 120s, deteriorated to about 10:45 by the end.  I guess a long run in the heat is a good metaphor for getting old or something, gonna have to take more naps.

Comments
From Smooth on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 18:23:22 from 67.2.109.45

I hear ya! naps are good, not just for old people. Sasha put it in the template...so take it!

NICE LHR run in the sauna! :)

From seeaprilrun on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 18:25:34 from 174.70.177.86

It was 94% this morning in my neck of the woods too...it feels easier in it when the sun's not out yet though. Are we swimming or running?

From Kelli on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 23:16:02 from 71.219.92.225

YUCK! How do you run in that???? It was only a bit humid here due to rain and cloud cover and I hated it!

From allie on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 23:36:31 from 24.10.191.18

naps are good. 94% humidity is not. way to get out and run in that stuff...

From Steam8 on Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 23:46:38 from 166.70.55.77

It was pretty humid here today for Utah! I felt like I couldn't breathe! I don't know how you do it! 10 miles is a great run! You've got to feel good that you got it done!!!! :)

From I Just Run on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 00:04:12 from 166.205.15.14

Flat

Don't talk like that about getting old and naps and such! I'm right behind you in age. Let's pretent we're really young and at the beginning of our running career :-) wait, I am but not young :-(

From Dan on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 00:20:07 from 24.209.83.20

I think we should have some sort of anti-humidity gear... Hey nice job and I will take anything that gets me more naps!

From Burt on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 01:05:28 from 72.223.90.79

Nice job on the fatigue.

From Rye on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:10:29 from 174.27.65.237

Good miles this week. You guys are studs over there in Texas. That's just a meltdown waiting to happen.

From Stephen on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:52:56 from 204.182.3.235

If you call them power naps, are you still considered old?

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 15:16:49 from 198.207.244.102

All, thanks for all the nap well wishes. I almost took one.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.184.000.000.0010.18

73F, 90%, calm and clear.  Just a few degrees cooler but it made a difference today.  Ran 6 LHR at 9:58 per mile, then a 4-mile tempo run, splits were 7:17 (160), 7:22 (168), 7:09 (175) and 7:07 (182), average pace 7:14, maximum heart rate 188 bpm.  Overall 8:53 per mile.  I feel good after this run, interesting how much better I feel after running fast.  I think it is an indication that my aerobic fitness has declined through the last couple of training cycles.  What I really need to do is to log some serious LHR miles and do only that for a while, but I plan to wait until after SGM to start something like that.  What is also interesting is how much controversy there is over this.  For every expert who says don't neglect speed work while doing base mileage, there is another who claims that you will damage yourself running fast too often.  All  you can do is experiment with your own body to see what works.

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From SlowJoe on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 13:56:41 from 132.3.53.68

Nice tempo run, that is a good pace for this temperature. I'm going to file a protest that Houston is getting cooler weather than us though. Actually, we might be in H-town the weekend of the 8th-10th. Might be fun to get in a run if you're around, I'll shoot you an email when our plans solidify?

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 15:19:50 from 198.207.244.102

Joe, would be great to get in a run with you. There is a chance I might travel, but for now I am good either Friday or Saturday.

From derhammer on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 15:36:53 from 204.10.241.154

Nice run Flat.

As far as the experts, I think one needs to define "speed" and "base" paces. To me true speed workouts are probably 400m at 95% effort. I don't see you doing much of that. I don't even consider a tempo run at 10k effort as speed - more of a stamina workout. Your aerobic system will still be getting a great stimulus even at this pace. It's when you go anaerobic that the benefit stops.

From everything I have read aerobic base runs should be 10-20% slower than MGP. Though I base mine off of Jack Daniel's VDOT table / McMillan calculator. This may be too restricting though. I still do it - it's how my mind works.

From JG on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 16:54:33 from 74.190.51.252

Great consistent mileage this week Flat ... that is a good recipe for success in the summer heat!

From Dan on Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 22:52:16 from 24.209.83.20

Nice tempo- all I know is I get confused when I read the experts too much. I get even more confused when I try and figure out what really makes my body tick. Good running though.

From Steam8 on Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 11:15:20 from 166.70.55.77

If you figure it all out....let me know. I am slow and feel like crap these days. I was in great shape two months ago before the marathon that I qualified for Boston and now since I have had to recover from injury I can't seem to get back into decent shape. Maybe I need to read more and try some things out!

From I Just Run on Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 13:02:20 from 166.137.141.78

Wow Flat, those were some good fast miles! Way to run...!

I'm with S8 on this issue too. I felt like that a couple of weeks ago. That's when I decided to do my 7 x 7 workout. I think it did the trick because on the days I didn't feel like I wanted to run or didn't feel like I had much energy, 7 was a distance I knew handle. On the days I felt good at the end of the run I felt energized and ready for the next day of 7. On these days it was hard not to run extra but I'm glad I didn't because that just made me want to run more the next day. Each day I just ran what I felt (slow some, fast some and a mix some). Oh well, that's the "I Just Run" philosophy if how to break out of the "crappy day feeling syndrome".

I Just Run

From SlowJoe on Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 16:28:31 from 75.109.104.60

Sounds good Flat, we'll be driving in on Friday so let's try Saturday. Should have more solid plans by Wednesday and I'll send you a message.

From flatlander on Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 17:58:05 from 198.207.244.102

DH, good points. One thing I am lacking is a good feel for realistic MP. The slower I set it, the slower my runs, but if I set it too fast I worry if it is wearing me out without too much improvement. I have always believed that the harder you run without injury the faster you improve. I still kind of do, but I don't really know.

JG, you're right, the main thing is to get out there and stay in the game.

Dan, I don't read too many books, as a result I don't know much.

Steam8, that happened to me after my marathon at theat the first of this year. This time around I came back more slowly and I seem to be doing better, but hard to tell in the heat.

IJR, that looks like a simple but effective approach. Just pick a distance and run it however hard you want. It has certainly been working for you.

Joe, sounds good.

From Steam8 on Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 18:11:09 from 166.70.55.77

True! Hard to tell in the heat! It is a KILLER! I keep feeling like I am going to puke! I don't remember the last time I felt like this after a run! MISERY!

I JUST RUN -- what if 7 miles seems overwhelming and miserable everyday? ha!

From I Just Run on Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 19:59:05 from 166.137.143.32

Steam,

How about 3x7...? Everybody's got to start somewhere :-) I couldn't run a mile a year and a half ago :-)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.040.000.000.0010.04

77F, 90%, calm and clear.  Another day in paradise.  Woke up very early , so nothing to do but run.  Today is an easy day, 10.04 LHR miles at 10:24 average pace, presumably a combination of heat, tired legs and lack of sleep.  Either that or I'm just a bad person.  Finished just as the sun came up.  I have to drive to San Antonio tonight to pick up my daughter at 7:00 in the morning, not sure how I am going to stay awake on the way or get my run in once I arrive.

Comments
From Dan on Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 22:01:57 from 24.209.83.20

I'd vote bad person, but unfortunately I have gotten to know you and that's not it soooo let's go with the paradise weather since I am with ya!

From I Just Run on Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 11:29:59 from 173.24.140.194

Paradise...Hummm...Have you ever thought the heat and humidity could really be affecting you mentally..?

From flatlander on Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 00:40:45 from 76.31.26.153

Dan and Preston, paradise it is. Any day you can run is a good day.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
15.000.000.000.0015.00

I picked up my daughter and some friends from a church camp in San Antonio at 7:00 this morning, so the traditional Saturday morning long run was out the window.  I got back to Houston in the early afternoon and took a nap, to which I am entitled due to my advanced years.  At about 6:30 I thought I might be able to go outside and get 15 in before dinner.  As a precaution I checked the weather channel site for our zip code and it said 98F.  No thank you.  Which is a long way of saying that today was a treadmill day.

I got on the 'mill and ran for a little over two hours before a late dinner.  15.00 miles at 7 mph (8:34 per mile).  Honestly, I don't know how to compare it to street running, other than the excruciating mental aspect, but part of the mental pain was due to watching yet another Astros meltdown, inning by inning, mile by mile.  I was running about 2 machine miles per inning.  My heart rate started out at 134, almost LHR zone, and climbed very slowly throughout the run, finishing at 161.  So you would think this was a very manageable pace, and at first I thought the effort wasn't equivalent to running the same pace outside.  But by the end of the session I was nauseous and practically dead, even though my heart rate was completely under control.  I haven't been running much in this zone right above LHR, so maybe that is part of the problem.  Which is a long way of saying I don't really know how long I ran or how fast I ran it.  Just a whole new experience which I hope I don't have to repeat too often.  Hate those machines.

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From Dan on Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 00:36:59 from 24.209.83.20

Thats a lot of TM miles. I hate them too. Any chance the HR was related to the ball game? I know when Ohio State is losing mine goes through the roof :p

From Smooth on Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 00:47:56 from 67.2.82.242

Sorry for the dreadmill miles!!! sounds like torture...watching the innings!!! ;)

You deserve that nap after chauffering the girls on a hot summer day! :)

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 10:38:51 from 75.109.104.60

That's longer than I've ever lasted on the TM, congrats. I got nauseous just reading about it. Had to laugh about the Astros though. We were huge fans when we lived in Houston but they are making it very tough to be loyal these days.

From I Just Run on Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 18:50:40 from 173.24.140.194

I'm surprised you're heart rate didn't skyrocket to 200 watching the game. You probably could have just sat on the couch and gotten a good cardio workout :-) I often take a nap while running on the treadmill it's so boring!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.250.000.000.0012.25

78F, 80%, SW 4 mph, clear and hot.  I was glad to be out running on this 4th of July morning and thankful to all those who made it possible.  In more places than not there are no runners.  Poverty, hunger and war make it an unaffordable luxury, doesn't hurt me at all to remember that once in a while.

But it was certainly hot.  24 hours ago the forecast for this morning was 71F, last night it was 73F, this morning at 4:30 a.m. it started out much hotter than that, dropped to 75F by the time I finished but it was too late by then.  The goal was to run at an 8-minute pace, so I picked out a lap which I thought was a little over 2 miles and decided to run it 5 times.  My garmin cratered a quarter of a mile in, so I was guessing.  I finished the first lap and I was already melting in the heat.  I had just read some pretty scary stuff on heat exhaustion, so not having access to heart rate data I decided to alternate laps, not too fast on the fast ones and not too slow on the slow ones.  That worked OK.  Finished 5 laps in 102 minutes by my cell phone, 3 fast and 2 slow.  Got home and measured the lap on a Google Earth application, 2.45 miles, so average pace was 8:20 per mile.  I was probably doing the fast ones right at 8:00. 

For hydration, I took a big drink every 2 laps instead of sipping away.  My stomach seemed to like that better.  Also used EFS once every two laps -- my stomach did not like that better, but I kept it down. 

We have another 100 days of this heat, probably I need to find something else to think about.

Happy holiday all.

Comments
From Dan on Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 15:17:35 from 24.209.83.20

Always good to remember that. Wonder why your body prefers gulps to sips? Good run today, happy 4th.

From seeaprilrun on Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 18:55:46 from 174.70.177.86

That sounds tough and oppressive. 100 more days!? I hope not! Way to get it done--determination.

From Rye on Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 10:08:38 from 174.27.65.237

Nice run flat.. Man, it gets in the 90's here for a week and its more than I can stand.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 11:15:22 from 132.3.53.68

Nicely done. I hate when the forecasters give you false hope. If we have 100 more days of this, I quit...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.060.000.000.0012.06

74F, 91%, calm and clear.  Got out a little later than normal, just at daylight, coolest part of the day, but it didn't last long, was 81F by the time I finished.  12.06 miles at 10:18 per mile.  Actually slower than that because I didn't get a readout on the first mile, which is typically slow.  Kept them all under 11 though.  This was a run where I felt better as it progressed, but by the end I was slowing down quite a bit.  I went to the gym with my son yesterday and he showed me some good stuff to work on core.  I did two rounds with light weights.  Not feeling any abdominal soreness today, which is good, but it seemed to have enough effect to make my running easier this morning, like it had loosened me up somehow.

Comments
From seeaprilrun on Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 21:11:28 from 174.70.177.86

only 99 more days...

From Dan on Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 23:30:15 from 24.209.83.20

LOL@ April, well spoken.

Nice run Flat, if the core workout did not loosed you up, try some coffee or something.

From Kelli on Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 23:37:57 from 71.219.92.225

But who is counting????? Could we change that? I need about 199 to be ready. Dang.

That heat stinks, don;t know how you do it. I was reading SHAPE magazine and there was an article written by an actual doctor and he said some people just can not tolerate heat--they get sick, headaches, nausea, dizziness, etc AND are more prone to heat stroke. I AM one of those people. I always felt wimpy, but now a doctor backs me up. I had sever heat stroke when I was like 5, it damaged me.

From Stephen on Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 13:14:25 from 174.52.135.96

Thanks for holding up the standard of dedication. I wouldn't be where I am today without someone like you to chase.

From flatlander on Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 20:30:37 from 198.207.244.102

April, been laughing at that one since you posted it. Really, I am going to stop complaining about the weather.

Thnks Dan, supposed to get core again today but it's already late and I may not make it.

Kelli, I am totally sympathetic, the heat is definitely something you have to respect. Whatever your body is telling you has to be done. For some reason it doesn't seem to bother me too much, but it certainly slows me down.

Stephen, I will be looking over my shoulder from now on.

From Kelli on Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 22:32:01 from 71.219.69.64

Slowing down just makes me more dizzy. I HATE HEAT!

Hey, we had 80% humidity today. Not liking it at all.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.045.000.000.0012.04

74F, 90%, calm.  Pretty good running weather today.  Ran 6 LHR miles, average pace 10.02, followed by 5 at MP:  7:27 (160), 7:22 (168), 7:18 (174), 7:26 (177) and 7:15 (182), maxHR 186, average pace 7:22.  I thought this was faster than last week's 4-mile tempo-type run but I checked and today was slower, not good.  Finished off with a 1-mile cooldown.  Overall 12.04 miles in 1:46:39, average 8:52 per mile.  I think I will wait until August to start back on hills on the treadmill, no sense rushing it.

Comments
From I Just Run on Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 22:36:56 from 173.24.140.194

You may have been slower last week but this is still a good pace for the 5 miles! My times have kinda been all over the place, I think the hot weather has something to do with that.

From Steam8 on Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 00:50:32 from 166.70.55.77

Wow..you are doing great! It may be slower for you but fast for me!

From SlowJoe on Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 11:08:41 from 132.3.53.68

Still a good pace for 5 in that stuff. See what you can do about getting rid of some of that humidity for us.

From flatlander on Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 18:50:17 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, I was thinking the same thing. The heat not only slows you down but maybe creates uneven results?

S8, thanks, I was running a little faster in cooler weather but was hoping I would improve to the point I wasn't slowing down over the summer. So far no luck, but it's OK.

SJ, that one is on the list right after global waming.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.430.000.000.7512.18

74F, 91% and calm.  There was rain downtown yesterday afternoon, but no sign of it at my house, would really like some rain.  Weather was good for running, though.  Started with 10 miles LHR, average pace 9:58 per mile, fastest this week so I was happy about that.  Then I did 2 sets of 3x200, RI 200 then finish out the mile between sets.  Objective was to run these slightly less than 5K speed (6:40).  Converted to a mile pace, the 200s came out like this:  first set 6:26 (159), 6:14 (160), 6:07 (161); second set 6:08 (164), 5:39 (167) and 6:27 (171).  I think the Garmin has measurement problems at these short intervals, would be better to do them on a track with a stopwatch.  200 meters is about .125 miles, and if the Garmin is only taking a reading off the satellite every few seconds, then it can make a big difference if you push the lap button just after the last reading or just before the next one -- that combined with the radius of error (30 feet I think) and you have measurement problems.  Anyway, I think the 5:39 and the last 6:27 are both bogus, they didn't feel much different than the others.  I am pretty sure most of these were in the 6:10 to 6:15 range.  These speeds felt lightning quick but not long enough to create lactate problems.  Interestingly my legs felt very invigorated, though they are questioning me now.  I don't think I could run a 5-minute mile even if I had the endurance for it, it appears that I simply don't have enough fast-twitch muscles.  Anyway, it was fun and probably more valuable than quarter repeats.  I think I'll do something like this every 10 days to 2 weeks, maybe a little more frequently closer to races.

Comments
From I Just Run on Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 14:37:43 from 166.137.142.209

Good run...you're sure pounding out the miles in the heat! I like running faster pace runs but don't do them often enough. I think I run too many medium speed runs (too long and not fast enough).

From Dan on Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 22:23:31 from 24.209.83.20

I do striders like that, I think they help reminding your legs that they can run fast. Nice run in the heat.

From JG on Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 11:55:57 from 98.66.194.235

Nice speed work after putting in 10 miles! Great mileage week for you, congrats!!

From flatlander on Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 18:52:43 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, I don't really understand the science, but I feel like I progress faster if I don't run too many in-between miles.

Dan, I was surprised they weren't very hard, probably needed to run more of them but I thought 6 at that speed was prudent.

JG, thanks, I'm guessing your heat is about like ours, you just don't complain as much.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.040.000.000.0012.04

77F, 89%, calm.  Just a little bit warmer today, which was good.  With the cooler weather yesterday I was afraid that fall was arriving too early.  Ran 12.04 all LHR, 2:00:17 total, average 10:00 per mile.  I had 9:56 at the 10-mile mark, so I was a little faster today than yesterday, even though the overall average was slower.

I'm glad I am not a body builder.  My son does the gym thing every day, he is the master of the gym.  He has muscles in all sorts of non-functional places.  We both started out at about 165 this year.  His goal is to hit 200 and mine is to hit 150.  After I came in from the run this morning I found a small packet on the counter, about the size of a Kool-Aid package, the kind without sugar in it.  It says:

NAPALM

xTreme Pre-Workout Warfare Training Matrix

Plasma-Scorch Muscle Volume Engorgement Technology

Thermobaric Heat Shock Protein Deployment System

Air Strike Adreno-NeuroCore Heat Inducer

Ultra-Intense . . . Battle Raging Energy, No Creatine, No FIllers, No Fluff, No B.S. (Fruit Punch Flavor)

Two things:  I hope I didn't pay for this stuff, but don't really want to know the answer.  And I need the number for the HazMat response unit.  SlowJoe is coming to town tomorrow, I'm sure he is an expert on these battle-tested powders.

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From derhammer on Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 10:34:02 from 192.156.110.34

Ha, that's a good one. And we laugh at advertising from 50 years ago. There is plenty of it today that is just as amusing.

Nice run, BTW! I agree, we don't need that cool weather showing up too early.

From SlowJoe on Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 10:52:40 from 132.3.53.68

I will get EOD out to your place right away; in the meantime you should back off and cordon the area around the "xTreme Pre-Workout Warfare Training Matrix" so no one gets hurt.

From Kelli on Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 14:48:02 from 71.219.69.64

WHAT is the stuff for? Does it create a heart attack while running?

From flatlander on Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 18:55:08 from 76.31.26.153

DH, meant to say how much I enjoyed those old ads you posted this week, really funny.

SJ, thanks, I feel better already.

Kelli, I don't know, and probably. These gym rats are into all kinds of garbage. Some of it really does carry through on the threats, which can create a dangerous situation sometimes.

From Dan on Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 21:34:28 from 24.209.83.20

Napalm... wow... and people think I am weird for eating avocado pie.

Good run flat!

From allie on Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 13:28:12 from 24.10.191.18

napalm eh? i can already see the veins bulging out of your temples. and is that growling i hear? it must work great!

dan -- how about avocado cheesecake. oh, and avocado creme brulee!

From flatlander on Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 23:31:55 from 76.31.26.153

Dan, avocado pie would be considered perfectly normal food in my house.

Allie, I only walked by it, and not that close, so I think I'm safe.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.800.000.000.0016.80

80F, 86%, calm.  A great morning for running, mainly because SlowJoe arrived to save the day.  He is on leave and swinging through Houston with his family for the weekend.  We met at the Y at 5:00 sharp -- Joe came from close to downtown Houston so he would have rolled out sometime before 4:00, amazing feat of running dedication.  The heat was miserable, not a nicer way to put it.  Plus the fast group never showed up today, so we were running with the 9:30/mile crowd, and water re-supply logistics also did not fall into place, so I was improvising finding refills.  We pulled ahead but it was a slow day and I never got going very well.  On the other hand, I got a marathon-style heart rate going, ending up in the low to mid 170s, so maybe it was all for the better we didn't go any faster.  Joe never complained about the turtle pace, but he must have been dying to go faster.  16.80 miles in 2:29:02, average pace 8:52 per mile, not counting all the stops and starts.  The highlight of the run was when I gave the Chevron attendant a soaking wet $20 bill to purchase a 50-cent bottle of water.  She was visibly ill, and wouldn't put the bill in her register.

Comments
From seeaprilrun on Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 23:04:30 from 174.70.177.86

That's hilarious! I'm going to have to remember to do that some time, dig a bill out of my sports top lol! I'm glad you and Joe got to hook up!

From Rye on Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 23:24:25 from 174.27.117.243

Nice run with joe. That's disgusting! Hope that bill doesn't circulate up north were I live! Have a great weekend and another great week of running.

From Burt on Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 01:34:30 from 72.223.90.99

Mark! Mark! It's raining in AZ right now! I can't believe it.

From Burt on Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 01:34:56 from 72.223.90.99

Awesome about the wet bill.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 13:48:22 from 98.201.152.210

That was plenty fast, legs were nice and tired all day. I'm sure I'll be back in town again, maybe we can terrorize some more gas station attendants next time.

From JG on Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 15:43:58 from 98.66.252.84

Wow!! 77 miles ... awesome week Flat! Great that you & Joe could hook up for a 16+ miler ... that is the equivalent to a marathon effort in that weather in my opinion! Nice job, both of you!!

From Stephen on Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:59:24 from 174.52.135.96

Tough run, tough weather, but mostly I feel badly for the service station attendant.

From Smooth on Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 14:34:34 from 67.2.71.188

AWESOME mileage week! GREAT 16+ miler with Joe!

You should've told the girl you don't launder your money! I'm impressed you carry a $20 bill on your run! A credit card or 5 bucks is the most I'd carry! That's cause you're a lawyer and I'm a banker's wife! Ha!

From PRE on Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 22:54:49 from 99.50.214.225

Marathon-style heart rate over 16.8 miles - sounds decent to me!

I have to agree with Burt - I am liking that wet bill scene. My mind did a bit of wandering and I threw some sneezes in there along with the wet bill trying to imagine the attendant - and then I thought of Burt and - let's just say you probably would have gotten a free water if it happened the way I imagined.

From Burt on Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 23:27:00 from 206.19.214.144

Have you ever seen the movie Ready to Rumble? It's a good one.

From flatlander on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 00:17:32 from 76.31.26.153

April, it was like a Simpsons episode or something, can't quite put my finger on it, but certainly memorable.

Rye, I'm pretty sure she threw it away, I think you are safe.

Burt, great news, I guess that means my town isn't burning anymore?

Joe, there is a Shell station across the street, I'm sure we can figure out something.

JG, now that you mention it, people have started talking about a metric marathon, you run 26.2 kilometers instead of miles, comes out to 16 and change.

Stephen, don't let your emotions get the best of you.

Smooth, that is hilarious, I wish I would have thought of that one.

PRE, we are definitely bringing you next time, you have a very active imagination.

Burt again! Nope, I'll look it up though. Does it have a gas station scene?

From Burt on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 01:48:59 from 72.223.88.109

Um, yeah. And after watching it, you'll never be the same again.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.110.000.000.0013.11

74F, 91% and calm.  Nice morning out there, but for some reason it felt just as hot as Saturday, as my mind is starting to play games with me.  Ran 13.11 miles (strangely familiar distance) in 2:12:00, average pace 10.04 per mile.  I got 9:50 on mile 11 compared to about 10:11 the last time, was very excited about that.  Trying to control my emotions, though, it's not like I ran a Trials qualifier.

Comments
From seeaprilrun on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 08:31:53 from 174.70.177.86

In that kind of humidity you must always have wet dollar bills available.

From Huans32 on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:06:47 from 138.64.8.51

LOL yeah but its progress. And seeing that progress is great. Great job on the half mary.:)

From SlowJoe on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:12:50 from 70.183.217.4

Way to keep it on an even keel. Maybe the 20 seconds will translate directly to MP.

From flatlander on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 09:54:32 from 76.31.26.153

April, at the suggestion of Smooth the Banker's Wife, I have started laundering my money. I think it will be accepted more places that way.

Mark, based on this morning's run, that may be all the progress I get for a while.

Joe, thanks for seeing the bright side! The hardest thing about the heat is not the misery, but not knowing whether you are improving or not.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.080.003.100.0010.18

80F, 86%, SW 6 mph.  Weather was OK for 3 or 4 miles, then started to feel really hot, maybe because it was.  I ran 6 LHR miles, 10:01 pace, then planned to run 5 at 7:10, but failed.  Splits were 7:19 (162), 7:14 (171) and 7:24 (176), plus a stub split.  I stopped for water then couldn't get going again, decided to fight another day.  Ran a cooldown mile and called it a day.  Overall 10.18 miles in 1:31:50, average pace 9:01 per mile.

Things are busy around the house.  My wife is taking a Spanish final tonight, she is graduating in about 2 years, after raising 4 children and nearly done with the 5th.  She was talking all weekend about how she bombed a test she took on Thursday.  I came home last night and asked her what she got.  97.  I knew some girls like her in grade school, or at least I knew their names.  They sat on the front row with their hands in the air.  The teacher never looked at me, couldn't see that far back.  Now I'm married to one of them.

Comments
From I Just Run on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:49:05 from 67.79.11.242

Last year, at this time, I was only running 3 or 4 miles per day and I don't think I noticed the heat and humidity. The first few miles seem okay but after 3 or 4 you really start feeling the effects.

BTW...I'm married to one too...that's all I have to say about that :-)

From Smooth on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 22:31:42 from 67.2.87.128

That is a dang good LT run in hot humid condition!

Your wife is cool! :) Tell her hello and congratz from me! :)

Oh, I'll PM you on the Boston hotel in just a sec.

From Steam8 on Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:48:42 from 166.70.55.77

I don't know how all you running Texans run in that heat! You are pumping out the miles! Nice job!

I love your wife....she sounds just like one of my sister when she was finishing nursing school! Perfectionist! I hope you took her out to celebrate! :)

From flatlander on Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 16:02:44 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks everybody. She took her final last night, so pins and needles. Of course she says she failed it, so I'm guessing 93 this time. But she baked cookies for the professor (another front row thing, I would have never thought of that), so I'm betting on an A.

From allie on Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 16:34:28 from 161.38.218.168

that is very hot. good run. no worries about the pace -- it's still good training, and as you said -- you can fight another day.

congrats to your studious wife.

From seeaprilrun on Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 21:04:20 from 174.70.177.86

Congratulations to your wife! I feel the same way in the heat...the effects seem to multiply over time. You are brave to attempt the tempo in it...I just can't bring myself to run fast in it...I wimp out and default to the treadmill.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.480.000.000.0012.48

78F, 87%, SSW 3 mph.  Pretty decent weather, but legs were tired from running hard yesterday.  Ran 12.48 miles in 2:08:09, all LHR, 10:14 per mile.  I feel fine as long as I keep moving.  Sitting at work for extended periods of time is not good.  I get lots of drinks, which works out fine.

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From derhammer on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:53:03 from 192.156.110.33

Nice mileage, I wish I had the patience for those long runs day after day like you do.

From flatlander on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 13:49:01 from 76.31.26.153

DH, thanks, it can get boring at times, but mostly I look forward to them, mainly because I feel good when I am done.

From Smooth on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 13:55:55 from 67.2.104.79

You should've run 12.49 today!

I'm in awe that you crank out these long runs in the heat day after day! GOOD JOB!!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.220.005.000.0014.22

79F, 87%, SSW 4 mph.  Pretty good running weather, didn't bother me as much as it has recently.  I started out with 6 LHR miles, average pace 9:52.  When I hit that on the slow miles, I figured I might have a chance at a re-do of Tuesday's run.  I ran 5 tempo miles as follows:  7:29 (155), 7:10 (167), 7:18 (173), 7:17 (174) and 7:13 (181), average pace 7:17, so still not 7:15 or 7:10, but I decided to take it.  I then ran 3 more miles slightly faster than LHR pace, about 9:15 to 9:30 per mile, decided it felt like the Last 10K Death March (have to practice everything, right?).  All in, 14.22 miles in 2:06:39, average pace 8:54 per mile.  I took one of those last miles around the back lake in our neighborhood, which was a nice break from the road.  These are man-made lakes.  My neighbor is the chief lieutenant at a big equipment dealership.  I told him these are Caterpillar lakes, not lakes that God created.  Now he calls himself the Caterpillar god.  Sigh.

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From Stephen on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 14:05:50 from 204.182.3.237

We had great weather here too. But I missed out because of a sharp pain in my knee.

You had a lot of great miles today.

From seeaprilrun on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 14:32:25 from 174.70.177.86

Wow, great miles and nice tempo. After running through that kind of soup you are going to be amazingly fast come fall temps and some dry air!

From I Just Run on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 16:06:00 from 67.79.11.242

Here's a good article about running in the heat:

http://www.over40runner.com/info/RunningInTheHeat.html

From Kelli on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 16:15:07 from 71.219.75.108

Caterpillar God? I like it. Even the man made stuff is better than asphalt, or so they say! All I have really noticed is how much slower I run on trails (whether they are man made horse trails or not!)

Look at your miles this week!!! And you were giving me flak! And your 5 mile tempo just kicked the trash of my 4 mile tempo. NICE!!! And in the heat to beat.

From SlowJoe on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 21:19:16 from 66.137.82.63

Wow, that's a great tempo in those conditions. Seems like you are improving, gonna be fun when the temps drop.

From flatlander on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 23:41:57 from 76.31.26.153

Stephen, thanks, it was a good day, I take 'em when they come.

IJR and April, thanks for your references today on heat training. It is an interesting topic to be sure.

Kelli, do not be impressed by my miles. They are almost all slow, very different than most runners on the blog. As for lakes, our Caterpillar lakes really aren't bad. They draw birds and fish and they keep things green, quite pretty actually, especially on the slow part of the run.

Joe, I hope so. I usually get a boost when temperatures drop, but it doesn't happen immediately for me, don't know why. I should just forego October marathons and go straight to November, but St. George is too much fun to miss.

From Kelli on Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 23:26:33 from 71.219.99.3

That just shows you are smart (at least in my book!) 90% slow allows you to really kill the speed. I believe in it whole heartedly.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.120.000.000.0013.12

81F, 84%, SSW 10 mph.  No weather commentary today.  Ran 13.12 in 2:15:51, average pace 10:21 per mile, a 30-second drop-off from yesterday.  Possibly my worst run ever, was happy to at least accomplish that.  Actually I was happy to get it in.  Legs were tired and it was a little warmer today, the result isn't surprising.

Public service announcement.  There is a Honda Odyssey minivan parked in my neighborhood with Utah plates, so if anybody is missing one let me know.  It looks like it has seen a kid or two in its time but hasn't been mom-ed out (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mom+my+ride&aq=0), and the lights are not on, so not an emergency, just let me know as soon as you can.

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From SlowJoe on Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 17:10:39 from 66.137.82.63

Worst run ever, how often can you say that? Actually I've been saying it a lot...

Not missing a van, but I will trade you my golf clubs for it.

From seeaprilrun on Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 17:29:51 from 174.70.177.86

Worst run ever? Strong words! You sure toughed it out and got it done! I will offer weather commentary for you: That is brutal heat and HUMIDITY, so impossible to cool off. Great job! I could really use a minivan, too. I don't have golf clubs though. How about my Saturn?

From Dan on Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 20:47:20 from 24.209.83.20

Worst run ever means tomorrow will be better and that is good to look forward too. Humidity sucks the life out of us, but hey just a few more... umm... quite a few more days of this... way to get the run in.

From Dave S on Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:03:15 from 4.254.229.38

After running that many miles in that heat and humidity all week it's not surprising that your energy would take a hit. Nice job getting it done!

From Rye on Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 23:49:01 from 174.27.119.243

Not missing a van. I do have a 1990' Geo with just 175,000 miles on it. Great miles this week. You guys down south are animals running in those conditions.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.020.000.000.0020.02

80F, 83%, SSW 6 mph.  We met at the Y at 4:30 for what was supposed to be a 20-mile run.  Started the run with Wade, who was only going 13.  Somehow the topic of The Woodlands 5K came up.  It is held on the 2nd and 4th Saturday every month, it's the $1 race I ran with Wade in May.  I asked him if today was the 2nd Saturday or 3rd.  He said 2nd.  I said OK I'll run 13 here then drive over there and do a 5K.  So we finished off the 13 at an average pace of 9:25, average heart rate 140 bpm, never over 145.  Wade was suffering in the heat, his heart rate went to 165, usually it is lower than mine.  I thought it was interesting that I could run so long at a heart rate that is 10-12 bpm over my LHR.  Too bad I can't run fast at that rate.  We stopped in at the Exxon station and bought water with wet money again.  Same clerk as last week.  She was prepared with surgical gloves this time.

Then I drove to The Woodlands, got there just before race start at 8:00, empty parking lot.  Today is the 3rd Saturday, somehow that was too difficult to figure out when we were running.  I thought that was a pretty clever way to avoid a 20-miler.

So to punish myself I went back out in the early evening for another 7, 91F to start, cooled a little during the run.  At first I was sweating profusely, but eventually got in the rhythm.  It turned into somewhat of a progressive run:  9:29, 8:07, 8:37, 8:29, 8:04, 7:55 and 7:54.  Average pace 8:22 for this segment.  Mile 2 is a bit faster because I did a piece of it at a 7:30 pace and got my daughter to take a video so I could look at my form.  Supposedly her iPhone takes good video but not this time.  My stride is shorter and quicker than it feels, would like to get a long smooth stride.  Also my arms are flying all over the place, which probably means I have some balance issues.  Have to try it again with a regular video camera, but glad I did this second run.  I don't like running in the evening, but it felt pretty good today for some reason.

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From I Just Run on Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 00:45:31 from 71.41.149.142

Ha ha... I had to laugh at the math error while running. I seem to have that same problem figuring out times and paces while I run. Anyway, about the form, I have been really concentrating on that lately. I've also been working on cadence, keeping my stride rate to 180 or above. Next, I'll be working on stride length with the same form and the same cadence. Nice running today and good week overall! I never feel that good on a second run in the same day.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:01:50 from 66.137.82.63

Gotta love that groupthink thing. Very impressive on run #2, you had everything going against you and churned out some impressive miles. Nice week as well, wow.

From Dan on Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 22:45:23 from 24.209.83.20

Great week and great job. I know what you mean about strides (although I don't want a longer one, I am sure mine could use work).

From Rye on Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 13:17:10 from 71.209.52.51

Holy shnicky! You have reached 1800 miles this year! Nice. Congrats on a fine week of running. Hope to be in your league someday.

From flatlander on Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 13:54:39 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, keep me posted on the stride thing. Really looking for solutions on that.

Joe, thanks, it is too easy to talk me out of my workout I guess.

Dan, it is a little risky doing too much, injuries tend to happen. I'm going to be watching that closely.

Rye, um, other way around I think!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.040.000.000.0012.04

77F, 89%, SW 10 mph.  Pretty good weather this morning, but trying to rain, which makes the air feel muggier than the official humidity reading.  Ran 11 LHR, 10:10 pace.  On the last mile I got my son Austin and his friend to video my form at 7:30 pace, worked much better than the phone camera on Saturday.  Very surprising how slow that pace looks compared to how it feels.  Austin was embarrassed standing out there on the corner with a camera, but that's what teenagers are for.  When we tried to send the video to my e-mail account we discovered it is about 270 MB for 1 minute of film.  Something screwy about that, I know video eats a lot of MBs but not that much.  We have low IT IQs.  Total 12.04 miles in 2:01:47, average pace 10:07 per mile.

Austin, 18, says he is going to do an iron man.  He is a good swimmer and a dedicated gym rat, so I think he might be able to do it.  He gets shin splints all the time which has limited his running, so he is going to have to get around that somehow.  He is leaving for college in a month and thinks doing something like this will keep him out of trouble.  I think he might be right, but I told him no bike until Christmas, when he will have a better feel for how this is going.  I'm guessing he can buy a pretty good used tri-bike from a washed out yuppie somewhere.

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From I Just Run on Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 16:51:50 from 67.79.11.242

When you start looking for a Tri or Raod Bike look into Botecchia. They distribute them out of Houston. I bought one for my daughter and everyone who has looked at it says it was a very good value and quality although not that well known. It's all carbon. We've have it the shop for minor adjustments and the bike pros though it was much more expensive than what we paid.

From PRE on Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 22:02:16 from 99.50.214.225

Nice miles. Are you finding that your pace is slowing due to the heat? Interesting comment from "I Just Run." I have been entertaining an Ultra (50 miles) and a Tri. Not ready for either. But the seed is planted. And regarding bike purchases...well I am not much of a shopper. I was in the store a few weeks ago. My 8 year old son was riding a bike with a front flat tire. So I purchased a bike at a Bike Store. Paid $300.00 for it. But probably overpaid.

From Dan on Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 23:33:48 from 24.209.83.20

Ironman eh, I think I will stick with the movie version. Nice miles, hot too- feeling your pain.

Pre- For a quality bike at a bike shop, that is ok price- it just goes up from there.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:36:08 from 132.3.53.68

I think there is a way to convert the huge file into another compressed format, but I have a low IT IQ as well. Might be a program you can download.

You'll have to update us on the Ironman quest. It's something I want to try a few years down the road...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.040.004.970.0013.01

78F, 83%, calm but getting ready to rain, air not moving at all.  Perfect running weather, couldn't ask for better.  Walked out the front door and broke into a sweat, so no need for a warmup, very convenient.  Ran 4 at LHR, 9:52 per mile, then 8 x 1000, jogging out each mile:  7:22 (155), 7:13 (161), 6:59 (168), 7:03 (172), 7:03 (174), 7:33 (168), 7:05 (174), 7:11 (177), average 7:11 pace for each interval.  Then slogged it out to 13.

Tragedy in our office yesterday.  The copy room guy had a massive heart attack in the middle of the afternoon and never recovered.  He was talking to my secretary and just went down.  Keith had a wife and 2 young kids, humblest guy you will ever meet, about 35 years old and seemingly in good health.  It is different when a young person checks out early, harder to understand.  Everybody is shaken, I hope we do right by his family.

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From SlowJoe on Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:00:23 from 132.3.53.68

I love reading your fake positive mental attitude commments about the weather. Nice repeats today - 8 x 1000 sounds grueling, to say the least.

Sorry to hear about Keith, that news would certainly shake up anyone.

From Dan on Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 23:16:02 from 24.209.83.20

Joe nailed it, at least you did not need a warmup...

That sounds awful about Keith at the office. Makes one appreciate a great many things.

From Rye on Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 09:42:41 from 174.27.76.189

Funny ...... and I thought I had the perfect running weather. Wow... hope that there is comfort for the family. We have had 2 young (38 to 48) guys go down with a heart attack in the past 2 years. Medical people refer to it as the "widow maker"

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.170.000.000.0013.17

75F, 98% and calm.  Thankfully not 100% humidity today.  Got out late due to work issues from the night before, so ran entirely in the daylight starting at 6:30.  I figured it was 85 or 90 by the time I finished, but it was only 79, solar effect on my skin made it seem warmer than it was.  Held LHR until about mile 9 then it disappeared, could have slowed down but didn't have the patience or the time to do that, so finished up at higher than LHR.  13.17 miles in 2:15:31, average pace 10:18 per mile.  Not a good run but it is done.  I'll catch up on the other blogs soon.

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From seeaprilrun on Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 23:18:24 from 205.172.12.229

LoL only 98% instead of 100%. Attitude is everything...doesn't look like this heat is in any rush to go away. Nice job on getting it done.

From Stephen on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:18:00 from 204.182.3.237

I think humidity is a major drag, kind of like running through the water.

From I Just Run on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:26:48 from 166.205.11.240

Ha ha... I had late work too so decided to skip the day all together.

IJR

From JG on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 13:19:08 from 71.57.246.108

Nice long run in the heat! IJR - there is still lots of time left in the day, you don't have to skip it ... running in 100 will make a man out of you, just ask Joe!

From I Just Run on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 15:35:04 from 67.79.11.242

Hey JG...I even saw that Joe took a day off about three months ago!

From Rye on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 19:25:44 from 174.27.76.189

flat you are a well oiled machine! How about a well lubricated machine... some of that could be sweat.

From Dan on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 23:12:50 from 24.209.83.20

It is good to be thankful :) Way to keep at it!

From flatlander on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 23:42:34 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks April, your heat is as bad as ours this summer I think.

Stephen, running through water is exactly what is happening.

IJR, wish I would have thought of that.

JG, so I wonder if Preston ran 100 today. That would put him at the top of the board pretty easily I think.

Rye, makes me sound like one of Arnold Palmer's lawnmowers. Entirely appropriate though.

Dan, any run is a good run, I know that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.820.000.001.2514.07

76F, 95%, calm.  Humidity coming down slowly but surely.  Ran 6 LHR miles, average 10:02, then 10 x 200 as fast as I could run, which wasn't very fast.  Pacing was 6:10, 6:18, 6:20, 6:08, 5:53, 6:04, 6:05, 6:07, 6:11, 5:57, average 6:08, 200 recovery.  Then another 5 or 6 at about 8:50 pace, total 14:07 miles in 2:12:18, average 9:24 per mile, maximum heart rate 182.  I need some speed.

My workplace is somewhat Darwinian.  We have summer interns here now trying to qualify for permanent positions, presumably because there is nothing else to do in the heat.  It all started when an e-mail went around announcing that our building is putting in a free workout facility with lockers and showers.  So one of the summer interns sends out a "reply to all" which says:  "Wow, pretty stoked about this new gym. Just when I thought my deltoids couldn't get any more ripped.  If I join the frim, will you be my workout partner Shaw (by the looks of it, you might need a workout partner)?"  Shaw, in addition to being a potential workout partner, is actually a partner.  He writes back:  "There is a point every summer where a summer associate makes an unwise decision. We set the over/under this year at 4 weeks after the program started. I took the under...looks like I win."

Which ones are the deltoids again?  I'm gonna take this kid for a run.

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From Dan on Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 23:45:07 from 24.209.83.20

hahaha make sure it is an out and back run, so he can feel the burn :)

From allie on Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 00:29:39 from 24.10.191.18

hahaha. great story. nice job on the 200s.

From I Just Run on Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:55:03 from 67.79.11.242

Real life is so ammusing some time ... I laughted so hard!

BTW...I'll trade some speed for some cardio :-)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.250.000.000.0013.25

79F, 88%, S 5 mph.  Felt hot today, maybe because it was.  Mainly though I was hung over from yesterday's run, it took more out of me than I realized.  My legs felt dead and I was getting nowhere trying to run LHR.  Unexpectedly, you need fresh legs to run slow.  So I gave up and sped up and it turned into a progression run.  Felt much better after that.  1st mile was 11:03 (124), last mile 8:22 (161), maxHR 164.  Total 13.25 miles in 2:02:49, average pace 9:16 per mile.  Happy to be done with this one.

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From Smooth on Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:05:57 from 67.2.89.58

I am always in awe of your mileage and purposefulness of those miles. WAY to run the *dead* out of the legs and finish so strong! Your stamina is INCREDIBLE!!! SOLID SOLID SOLID training, in the heat to boot! :) EXCELLENT JOB, Mark!

From SlowJoe on Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:43:27 from 132.3.53.68

I hear ya, I started my week with speedwork and have felt wasted on every run since. Someone should do something about this.

From JG on Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:55:50 from 71.57.246.108

Nice progression run, great miles in the heat!!

From rockness18 on Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 14:30:38 from 75.16.160.226

You're working on both a great week and a great month!

From Dan on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 00:07:00 from 24.209.83.20

Im always happy to be done with a run :)

From flatlander on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 18:50:00 from 76.31.26.153

Smooth, thanks for the kind words. It is intimidating being on this blog with so many good runners, but it makes me work just a little harder I think.

Joe, I was talking to a guy the other day (he coaches sprinters at Rice) and he was trying to tell me I shouldn't be doing anything long and slow. "Old school." So many theories.

JG, thanks, you know all about the heat.

R18, thanks, glad to see your training shaping up so nicely.

Dan, amen to that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.090.000.000.0020.09

80F, 85%, SSE 4 mph to start, 84F at finish.  Came close to not going out today when I saw it was 80 yet again.  Like continuing to go out is enabling behavior -- the running gods see no reason to change the weather if people keep going out.  But I needed my run, so out I went.  The group was meeting at the Y at 5 for 18, got there on time ready to go, none of the fast runners showed.  Just as everybody was leaving I realized I needed to make yet another trip to the facilities.  Locked at the Y, so in my car over to the gas station, started out alone 10 minutes later and that is how it stayed the whole run.  I met the group coming back after I had gone a little less than 6 miles, which means no way did they do 18.  But they were altogether and going even slower than me, so things worked out OK.

I didn't feel good at all this morning, some stomach bug, but when I started running I felt surprisingly good, so decided to do 20, just not that fast.  Probably could have done it faster but by the end of the run I was glad I hadn't.  Had the EFS thing going and lots of water stops.  20.07 miles in 3:06:56, average 9:18 per mile, fastest mile was 8:43 and the slowest 9:38 other than the first 2.  Heart rate started out high 130s and ended up low 160s.  Since I was alone I took some of the off-road routes I used to run when I thought I was going to be a trail runner, was nice running them faster than I used to.

Then we took all our kids and our granddaughters to the circus.  I would say the circus was the preferred activity today.

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From Rye on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 17:57:48 from 75.174.24.133

Animal.

From Kelli on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 18:08:51 from 71.219.99.3

Busy day!!! Nice HOT run. YUCKY. i am impressed you can do that! My husband ran from 10-12:30 today and it was about 89 when he finished. YUCK YUCK YUCK!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 19:49:33 from 75.109.104.60

Wow, I bet there was a little sweat generated today. Grueling day, nice job. I have yet to try 20 in anything close to weather that bad. Very impressive week as well.

From seeaprilrun on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 22:08:54 from 205.172.12.230

Slog on, friend. I saw on the news this pink area of the nation where it was really freaking hot and it had us all covered in Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas. Stinks to be in the hot zone. It can't last forever!

From allie on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 22:14:29 from 24.10.191.18

long run + the circus? i am very impressed. nice job on getting those miles in today despite the heat and the stomach bug.

From Dan on Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 22:58:52 from 24.209.83.20

Impressive. I went out at 2 (long story why I couldn't run at 5 or 6am) - and couldn't make it very far, so hats off to you! Hope you enjoyed the circus.

From Steam8 on Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 18:54:38 from 166.70.55.77

20 with a stomach bug! Way to go grandpa! What a day!

From I Just Run on Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:19:38 from 67.79.11.242

Have you ever thought about doing ultra-marathons? Man, you can crank out the miles...even when you don't feel good. Good long run!

From flatlander on Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:00:40 from 76.31.26.153

Rye, at times I felt like one of those Ringling elephants.

Kelli, I suspect your husband is much tougher than me. He's a cop and I'm a lawyer, we're on different sides of the law, his is the good side.

Joe, I know better, you are one tough hombre.

April, don't they have something called Red Hot Pink Chicks on this blog? Maybe I should join but haven't been invited yet.

Allie, thanks, great to see you back at strength.

Dan, I wouldn't have even tried to go out at 2. I either get out early or it is a world war going on in my brain as to whether I will get out at all. Don't think I have ever run a single mile in the middle of the afternoon, just too much.

S8, maybe I got a protein burst from the bugs in my stomach!

IJR, yeah, once. Then I realized it was dumb to try to run trails consistently around here. There aren't very many, and they are pretty hazardous in the summertime, too many poisonous serpents. So just a road guy for now, maybe some day I'll switch.

From Kelli on Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 19:43:27 from 71.219.99.3

I guess that depends on what kind of lawyer you are!

I agree in the ultras, I bet you would do very well.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.090.000.000.0014.09

78F, 91%, SW 5 mph.  Felt cooler this morning although it wasn't really.  I think the day off did wonders, all LHR today but more importantly I held my heart rate through most of the run, had a 10:06 average going at mile 11.  Altogether 14.09 in 2:23:35, average 10:12 per mile.  I really should back off this week, but I am probably not going to get a 20-miler on Saturday, plus I leaving the following Friday to go backpacking in Wyoming, so I don't want to put in too many easy weeks in a row.  I'll stick with high mileage for a few days at least, especially since I feel pretty good right now.  Happy Monday all.

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From JG on Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:54:30 from 71.57.246.108

Nice solid run to start the week Flat ... what a great way to end the week ... Wyoming is one of the few states I have never ventured to, but look fwd to the day I do!

From Steam8 on Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:34:51 from 166.70.55.77

How nice to have 14 done! I am still in my pjs. Great way to start the week and good time too!

Where in Wyoming are you backpacking? Sounds like so much fun!

From SlowJoe on Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:33:05 from 74.196.65.182

Great Monday Mileage! That'll be a fun trip. I forget now to which part of Wyoming you're headed, but when I went to E WY last year, we had mornings in the 50s.

From Dan on Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 23:04:59 from 24.209.83.20

Solid Monday! Are you staying in WY long? Sounds like a better place to run.

From flatlander on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 13:21:56 from 198.207.244.102

JG, thanks. Wyoming is spectacular.

Steam, going to the southern part of the Windriver Range, about an hour north of Pinedale. We will only pack for about 3 days, then do some other stuff for the rest of the week.

Joe, I think our temperatures should be similar to that, especially at altitude.

Dan, thanks, definitely hoping to get a few runs in.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.115.000.000.0014.11

78F, 90%, SW 4 mph.  It rained heavily yesterday late afternoon, and the air this morning seemed heavier, even though the official humidity reading is not so different from other days recently.  This run felt like running a marthon, complete with muscle cramping afterwards.  I started with 6 at LHR and they went well, average pace 9:49.  Then ran 5 at 7:25 average:  7:27 (157), 7:22 (165), 7:27 (170), 7:28 (173) and 7:19 (178).  To put things in perspective, I did this run at 7:17 10 days ago and planned to run these at 7:10 today, simply could not go any faster.  When I finished the MGP splits I had an overall 8:38 pace going.  I stopped to compose myself, then did 3 more with the objective of staying ahead of the 8:38 guy.  How about 9:38.  Final results were 14.11 miles in 2:06:08, average pace 8:56.  I was beat up enough that I locked my office door at work and took a nap.  Withholding judgement for now, but not happy about today's results.

Comments
From Burt on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 13:29:07 from 206.19.214.144

I'm sorry Mark. I tried not to laugh about you taking a nap in your office, but I just couldn't help it.

From flatlander on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:29:18 from 198.207.244.102

I guess it is kind of funny.

From Smooth on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:31:35 from 67.2.122.145

:) If I ran as many miles as you...my life would be sleep-run-eat-nap-repeat! Who needs work?!!! You need a fridge and a mattress in your office! :)

From I Just Run on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 15:06:20 from 67.79.11.242

I was feeling the same way last week! Sometimes you've just got to catch up. I think this heat and humidity is just not letting the "bad stuff" get out of our bodies!

From Huans32 on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 15:15:58 from 138.64.8.51

LOL 2 days in a row. That is come crazy humidity and some good long miles bro. I did 6.5 miles and needed a nap too.:)

From seeaprilrun on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 18:29:20 from 174.70.177.86

Those conditions are wicked. WICKED. Don't pass judgment...you just can't in this summer heat and humidity. Y'all are really getting some serious syrupy air. Yuck! I'm sure when the cooler, dryer fall air comes you will feel amazing and your paces will drop considerably! It's great to come to your blog and see you doggedly slogging it out day after day!

From allie on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 20:07:21 from 24.10.191.18

i am a fan of naps at work.

From JG on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 23:00:19 from 71.57.246.108

Don't be hard on yourself Flat, those are some strong miles in the H & H ... good job!

From Dan on Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 23:20:53 from 24.209.83.20

All the miles and heat take a toll- you once said we could do a study with all of us running in the heat. I know it wont make you feel better but I have not been able to hit or hold a desired pace in 2 weeks. I have napped a few days, just not at work :)

From SlowJoe on Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:45:07 from 74.196.65.182

These are the dog days right here, I think everyone is having a rough time hacking it. The vacation will probably do you some good too after all this mileage.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.150.000.000.0014.15

79F, 88%, SSW 7 mph.  For some reason it didn't seem as warm today, even though official conditions haven't changed much.  I think the extra wind helped.  Ran 14.15 at LHR, 2:23:02, average pace 10:06.  Best thing was that until mile 10 I had a 9:54 average going, which was a pleasant surprise after yesterday.  After that the heart rate went south, but I didn't sweat it.  Actually, I was sweating quite a bit, but it was a miracle that I could even run today -- yesterday felt like running a marathon.  Even though my times were bad I must have gotten some benefit from it.

Comments
From seeaprilrun on Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 14:33:53 from 174.70.177.86

14 miles a day...day after day! What kind of mileage are you going for?

From flatlander on Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 14:49:57 from 198.207.244.102

Well, they aren't difficult miles for the most part. August is going to be pretty light with vacationing and then St. George will be upon us, so now is the time to make hay despite less than ideal conditions.

From JG on Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 15:47:10 from 71.57.246.108

Wow! 42 miles in 3 days! Great job Flat! I am running my heart out this week & I still can't keep up with you on the mileage board! You should be in good shape for St. George, do you have any good down hills to prep yourself on?

From Kelli on Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:55:11 from 71.219.99.3

HOLY COW!!! Some serious running this week. You really should try a 50k, you would LOVE it!!!

From flatlander on Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:23:01 from 76.31.26.153

JG, you are way too kind, I am not a fast runner yet. I have a treadmill that I can do downhill miles on by propping up the back, but I am waiting until August to start on that aspect. Hope it works, the running gods have not provided any hills in Houston.

Kelli, thanks, I dunno about a 50K. I ran 30 miles once and it wasn't too fun. Someday if I live in the mountains I will try a trail 50K for sure. That would be fun once I got acclimated to the altitude and got better at running on rough terrain.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.1512.400.000.0014.55

80F, 85%, S 5 mph.  There was a cloud with textbook lightning in it to the south about mile 6 of the run this morning, just as the sun was coming up.  Kind of pretty, thought it would cut the run short but no such luck, the cloud was dissipated by the next lap, probably melted in the heat.  The plan today was to warm up a couple of miles then try to do 12 at 8:00, just to mix it up a little.  I had second thoughts when I saw the temperature.  The forecast for every morning in the last 10 days has been between 74 and 76, but actual has never been below 78.  Sure enough, got up to 80F this morning and was about to bag the whole idea and switch to something reasonable, but decided what the heck, I ain't skeerd.  

Then the Garmin cratered on my way out the door.  It just didn't hold its charge, though it seems fine now.  But I knew exactly where the 2-mile mark was, so I ran to that, checked the time on my cell phone, and then did a little less than 4 laps on a 5K plus a little bit loop.  I tried to guess at an 8-minute speed and as things turned out I was pretty close.  Mapped out the loop on a Google Map application when I got back, and turns out I ran 12.40 miles in 100 minutes net, after subtracting out 3 water breaks (counted the seconds, they were about 15 seconds apiece), so about 8:04 per mile.  I'm calling it MP miles more because of the effort than the speed.  Then jogged home the remaining bit.  Pretty happy with this run.  I recall running a time trial half marathon at about 7:58 pace last August or so, temperature about 66F if I recall, although I can't seem to find the blog entry.  I am pretty sure it happend, though, and I think today was a better run, maybe quite a bit better, just don't know quite how to measure the heat factor.

We love to complain about the heat down here, but it really isn't too bad once you get used to it.  On the other hand, if you stay out too long you might need a doctor:

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From derhammer on Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:57:53 from 192.156.110.34

Looks like we may get a bit of relief this weekend.

From Steam8 on Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:43:55 from 166.70.55.77

Ahaha! Love it!

I can't believe you are already done with 14.55 nice work!

From I Just Run on Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 13:22:01 from 67.79.11.242

I like my Garmin but it acts a little funny every once in a while too. I wear a second watch for the time and as a back-up if needed. I can't carry my cell phone because of all the sweat. I've actually ruined two I-Phones getting them so wet so I quit :-( The funny thing about the corn joke is that it's been so hot and dry here that the corn wasn't able to produce. The stalks are about two feet high. I think your run sounds like a good one...!

From Dave S on Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 14:46:51 from 4.254.224.192

Nice run. That's got to be tough in the heat and after running 14 miles a day all week.

From SlowJoe on Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 15:11:45 from 75.109.104.60

Really good run, my legs would not be working at all after 3 14-milers.

From Dan on Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 23:59:07 from 24.209.83.20

Nice run, even better effort!

From Stephen on Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:22:00 from 204.182.3.237

Lightening, broken garmin, extra heat, humidity... What does it take to discourage you?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.080.000.000.0014.08

77F, 94%, N 3 mph.  Very tired legs whole run, but got through it.  14.08 LHR miles in 2:27:00, average pace 10:27 per mile, heart rate was no longer controllable after mile 11.  Right about then I stopped at the golf course water station on the return trip and they had taken the coolers back to the shed for re-filling.  So I ran the last 6 miles with no water.  Interesting experiment, not particularly distressing, but my sweat rate dropped and my heart rate climbed faster.  If I had had to run 10 that way it would have been a problem, but no problem this morning.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.370.000.000.008.37

77F, 94%, ESE 1 mph.  Met Wade at the Y and we ran for a while with the group, but we both had to get back early so we turned around after 4 and headed back.  There was a distant bolt of lightning just as the group started off, but everybody soldiered on.  So did I, even though it is against my rules.  At the turnaround it started to rain heavily and the air freshened up quite a bit.  Lightning never got close to us.  We were already soaked so the wet part of it didn't matter.  We ran 8.37 miles in 1:18:53, average pace 9:26 per mile, average heart rate 135, at times dropping down into LHR range.  MaxHR was 145.  In other words, the slow slog yesterday, painful as it was, allowed my legs to recover.  They have recovered even more today due to the low miles.  Spent the rest of the day getting ready for our backpacking trip coming up on Friday, more painful than running.

Comments
From I Just Run on Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 01:46:23 from 166.205.12.205

I tried to figure out what you were saying in your report...I read it three times but every time I read the word "rain" I just lost my concentration and forgot everything else you wrote...sorry!

From SlowJoe on Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 19:52:05 from 75.109.104.60

Hopefully that was just what the Dr ordered after all those 14-milers.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.120.000.000.0010.12

76F, 89%, WSW 4 mph, pretty good running weather for this time of year.  After an easy Saturday my LHR pace was better today, ran 10.12 miles at 10:09 minutes per mile -- not particularly fast, but my heart rate was considerably under normal LHR range for most of the run -- legs feel like they are getting stronger from being on a taper, even though I'm not really tapering from anything, just taking a bit of a break this week.  My older son (Clint) joined me for 6 miles (4 through 9), he is staying at the house because his wife, his sisters and his mother are all partying in Las Vegas.  Hope they all make it home with no arrests.  Clint and I stopped once to talk to my neighbor Todd also out running, so it was a nice relaxing run.

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From Smooth on Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 00:50:52 from 67.2.116.101

So nice to have your son run with you! So the wives are in Vegas...who's doing the cooking? :)

From flatlander on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 12:24:36 from 198.207.244.102

I mixed up some pasta on Saturday (pretty amateur effort actually), and we ate it every meal. No salad, no vegetables, no dessert.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.210.003.100.0010.31

79F, 82%, WSW 5 mph.  Hard to say if today was better than yesterday, but humidity was a bit lower and I think it made up for the higher temperature.  Ran 5 LHR miles at 9:44 per mile, which included one split at 9:19, the fastest I have run at these temperatures.  Then I did 5 x 1000, goal was 7:00 and I got 7:02.  7:16 (159), 7:00 (163), 6:54 (168), 6:57 (172) and 6:59 (175).  MaxHR 183.  This is starting to be my favorite workout.  It is easy and seems like I am getting some good out of it.  I concentrated on trying to keep my strike long and smooth and that added speed.  Probably should be running these at about 6:50 at this point, but need to keep thinking baby steps. 

During August it will be difficult to maintain a consistent running schedule.  We are leaving Friday to go backpacking in Wyoming and won't be back for 10 days, although a lot of that is driving and doing vacation-y things other than backpacking.  Then I have an outpatient procedure, then a quick trip to Peru, then back to Utah to climb King's Peak with Wade.  I should be well rested up by the time September arrives, just not any faster.

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From Smooth on Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 00:53:12 from 67.2.116.101

NICE run in that humidity. How come Houston is 79 while Dallas is 109?

sounds like lots of fun stuffs planned for Aug. Enjoy! :)

From SlowJoe on Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 13:48:35 from 132.3.53.68

I'm gonna have to try that one, seems reasonable yet tough. Nice run. Enjoy getting away from TX in August so much.

From I Just Run on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 05:14:43 from 166.137.142.233

Uh...Oh... "Outpatient", do I hear another SlowJoe type story comings? Where's April when I need her?

From flatlander on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 12:28:48 from 198.207.244.102

Smooth, 79 is the low for Houston (because that is the time of day I run). Hopefully, 109 is the high for Dallas. It is hitting 105 hear in the middle of the afternoon, hottest I remember.

Joe, it's a good way to run in the heat, I think. But best method is getting out of the heat. Even better is getting out of the heat and not running.

Preston, somehow I knew that one wouldn't make it past you. No details will be provided until we get closer to the event. Suffice it to say it starts out with a bottle of liquid the night before that does strange things to one's GI tract.

From I Just Run on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 12:42:42 from 166.137.143.33

Oh... Nooo... The dreaded probe... :+(

I never trust them when they say "you won't feel a thing...or remember anything". For some reason I just don't trust doctors that much (kinda like lawyers)... ;+)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.305.000.000.0010.30

80F, 85%, SSW 6 mph.  Pretty warm but not too bad.  Ran 5 at LHR, average pace 10:22, really feeling the repeats from yesterday.  Then ran 5 at GMP, 7:42 (155), 7:28 (162), 7:33 (167), 7:28 (176), 7:25 (179), average pace 7:31 so not too bad.  Amazing how fast my heart rate climbed at that speed and temperature.  Overall 10.30 miles in 1:31:59, 8:56 per mile, maxHR 182.

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From Burt on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 12:13:51 from 206.19.214.144

So overall I guess you could say it was not too bad?

From flatlander on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 12:29:57 from 198.207.244.102

That's what happens when I write them too fast.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.710.004.350.0010.06

77F, 90% and calm.  Felt a little cooler despite higher humidity.  Started out with 3 LHR, 9:47 per mile, then 7 x 1000 at tempo pace:  7:12 (152), 6:44 (161), 6:57 (165), 6:40 (171, 6:47 (176), 6:58 (177) and 7:07 (177), average 6:55.  MaxHR was showing 193, but that is not accurate, 182 was the highest I saw.  Overall 10.06 miles in 1:24:32, average pace 8:24.  As usual, finished out each interval by jogging to the end of the mile.  I felt strong through 5, then I was dragging by the time I got to 6 and 7, the sun was out by then and they were probably a little ambitious.  This is 3 fast days in a row, not sure I'll do it again tomorrow.  But it's August now, time to ramp it up for St. George.

Comments
From Huans32 on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 12:46:37 from 138.64.8.51

Great miles man. And alot of really fast ones.

From JG on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 13:07:01 from 71.57.246.108

Great intervals Flat ... enjoy your Wyoming trip! I know it is not centered on running, but maybe you can get in a few downhill training runs, which would pay big dividends for St. George ... considering your options for doing those are so limited in TX!

From Dan on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 23:06:14 from 24.209.83.20

Nice intervals, I know what you mean, marathon is right around the corner... and I don't feel ready.

From I Just Run on Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 23:32:24 from 166.137.143.33

All this talk about marathons is sure making me want to run!

From SlowJoe on Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 11:32:55 from 132.3.53.68

Impressive running in the soup. I agree with JG, launch yourself down some hills if you get the time.

From flatlander on Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 14:06:50 from 76.31.26.153

Mark, thanks, hope they do some good.

JG, definitely will. I think bears provide a good opportunity for speedwork.

Dan, you will be ready, you are a good runner.

IJR, patience is a virtue. But you already know that, you are being very patient.

Thanks Joe, I'll honk as we blast through Abilene. I hear that DPS lets you go whatever speed you want around there?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.185.000.000.0010.18

80F, 87% and calm, ramping up the heat a little but I can handle it.  Actually, I knew from the beginning that today's run wouldn't be as good, heart rate started out high and it never lies.  Well, sometimes it actually lies, but not today.  Did 5 LHR miles at 10:05, then 5 MP miles at 7:39 average:  7:44 (157), 7:34 (167), 7:38 (172), 7:38 (178) and 7:45 (182).  Sorry folks, that's all I had today.  Funny thing is my legs feel great, not sure why.

Off to the mountains, but it will take two days of driving to get there.  Not much running for a week.

Comments
From allie on Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 14:55:52 from 24.10.191.18

have fun in the mountains!

From Steam8 on Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 19:42:18 from 166.70.55.77

WOW! 10 miles every day this week? Nice work! Which mtns you headed for? Utah mtns?

From Smooth on Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 00:52:01 from 67.2.98.112

the mountains is cooler! WAY to survive all those days of running mega miles in mucho heat and humidity!

From PRE on Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 19:57:19 from 99.50.214.225

Hi Flatlander,

Those are some great mile splits!

Is it true that Cypress TX is only about 23 miles from the Woodlands, TX. I have family in the Woodlands.

Was that TX Marathon you ran near the Woodlands - the Marathon where they gave the huge medal?

From seeaprilrun on Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 20:07:31 from 174.70.177.86

That's a sweet tempo in the heat after speedwork yesterday. Have fun in the mountains!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

I have been backpacking in the Wind River range in western Wyoming with my sons Clint and Austin and my son-in-law Scott.  We had a good time, but no matter how many miles I have logged this year, it is hard to carry a full pack into the mountains.  Elevation was between 9500 and 11000 for the whole time.  We probably walked 30 miles altogether, and much of the trail was very steep and rough.  But it was an adventure that was worth it.  I got a few pictures.  For anybody who is knowledgeable, we entered at Elkhart Park, hiked to Seneca Lake, camped, day-hiked into Titcomb Basin and some surrounding peaks, then back out.  Short but strenuous.

Here we are at the beginning, hopeful looks in our innocent faces.

This is some of the country we hiked through.  Reminded us of Mordor.

Austin and Scott climbed a mountain, I had my limits and went with Clint back to camp to make a fire.  We were much relieved when they returned before dark.  Even with an almost full moon this is pretty rough country to be hiking in at night..

When we got back to the parking lot at the trailhead, Austin knocked off about 30 pushups before taking his pack off.  I have video of it but don't know how to post it without getting a red X.  But after he finished I had to try.

At the end everybody was accounted for, despite making several "Red Cross" donations to the local mosquito population.

We also toured Jackson Hole, Grand Tetons and Yellowstone, had a great time despite driving nearly 3800 miles.

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From Dan on Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 23:38:31 from 24.209.83.20

Wow that is quite the adventure, breath taking views! Smart move going back to start the fire, leave the mountain climbing to others is my motto. You know if you step it up a tad you can hit 3800 miles for the year...

From Smooth on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 00:02:58 from 67.2.107.143

WOW!!! What a fun adventure! thanks for sharing the spectacular pictures, yah including the pushups one! That is sone serious vertical climb especially for a flatlander! :)

From Burt on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 00:29:48 from 72.223.91.148

Awesome.

From Stephen on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:12:14 from 204.182.3.236

Looks like the backpack won, but I can't tell who's underneath.

From flatlander on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 23:10:26 from 76.31.26.153

Dan, dang it, now I'm going to have to do it. Amazing the totally opposite advice you get on piling on the miles. Was just going through Runners World today and in the same issue one guy is saying it does no good to log more than 45 miles per week and another guy is saying the more the better, as long as you run them slow. Actually, I don't have enough days left this year to hit that one, with race tapering and everything.

Smooth, thanks. I hope it did some good, my legs feel trashed today.

Burt, you should come with us sometime, you would really love a trip like this.

Stephen, it's me, I guarantee it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.650.000.000.0010.65

42F, Jackson Hole, Wyoming.  Ran 10.65 miles from the motel.  Found a route alongside a national wildlife refuge where the elk winter.  Left the heart monitor at home since it was meaningless at this altitude (6200').  Started at 10:30 pace and ended at an 8:22 pace.  Had to get back early for the day's activities or I would have run all day.  This was a beautiful run, but should have brought my gloves.  Here is a cell-phone picture of the Tetons looking west across the refuge, just catching the morning sun.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

42F, Jackson Hole, Wyoming.  Ran 4 with Austin and called it a day.  Off to Tetons and Yellowstone, then back to Texas.  We should go on trips like this more often.

Comments
From I Just Run on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:27:25 from 67.79.11.242

We went to Yellowstone a couple of years ago. I'm really looking forward to going back! I know you had a great time. Oh...welcome back to HOT Texas, I see that you made it from your comments on other blogs.

From JG on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:10:14 from 71.57.246.108

Sounds like a great vacation ... those kind of trips always make me ponder where I am currently living ... and then I remember I have parental responsibilities! lol

From Dave S on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 18:56:15 from 4.254.223.232

Sounds like a great trip. I like that run you took around the backside of the refuge yesterday. I run and biked that route quite a few times. Every year my wife's work pays for us to stay at the Snow King in Jackson for a couple of nights while she attends some workshops and that's my favorite route out there. Those early mornings can be chilly. A lot of times in September there is frost in the mornings.

From SlowJoe on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 20:22:17 from 75.109.104.60

Hey, sounds like it was a great trip, thanks for posting all the pictures. I'd love to do something like that one of these days. Welcome back!

From flatlander on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 23:13:35 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, it was a joy this morning, I'm tellin' ya.

JG, for just a short drive out west you too can climb a mountain into the thin air and donate blood.

Dave, thanks for mentioning that. I forgot how close you live to this area. Really love Jackson Hole, there is a lot to do there.

SJ, we need to have a bloggers' backpacking trip. They are pretty fun, strenuous but different than running.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.183.000.000.0010.18

79F, 95%, SSW 5 mph.  Wonder why it felt so hot today.  This run was slow from the beginning and only got worse.  LHR miles were 10:12 pace, then couldn't finish off 5 MP miles, had to stop at 3, 7:35, 7:44 and 7:51.  I did the marathon death march for the last 2, mid-9s, but heart rate never came back down, stayed at 170.  Very disconcerting.  Tempted to blame it on backpacking, but I ran twice in Jackson Hole immediately after backpacking and felt better than today.  I am thinking I lost conditioning by basically taking the week off, even though it was an active week.  Just have to wait and see what happens tomorrow.

Comments
From seeaprilrun on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 23:21:20 from 174.70.177.86

It may just be a fluke--an off day. And those conditions are horrible. We have gotten a little break in Kansas, it is pretty much over now but it was nice cool week(as in under 100 degrees and even down into the 60s in the early morning!). I hope y'all get a break soon too.

From allie on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 23:28:10 from 24.10.191.18

i agree with april -- some days are just like that. i doubt you lost much with the backpacking last week. hope that humidity dies down soon...

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.060.000.000.0010.06

73F, 95% and calm.  A little cooler than yesterday, and a little better through first 5 miles.  After that it was still very slow, total of 10.06 in 1:43:25, LHR pace of 10:17 per mile.  Trying to be patient.  Met a neighbor out walking her dog, a very athletic German Shepherd.  She wondered where I have been and I told her Wyoming, trying to get used to the heat again.  She had been in Europe for two weeks and boarded her dog at a local air conditioned kennel.  She said her dog was now having trouble getting used to the morning 5-mile walk -- so maybe there is hope for me.

Comments
From Rye on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:00:54 from 71.209.20.54

Hard to adjust to that heat???? Probably had to wear your winter coat during the mornings. Wait.... you don't even own a coat.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:19:46 from 132.3.53.68

Hopefully you don't have to start the entire re-acclimatization process over again. Hopefully summer ends one day.

From seeaprilrun on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 18:03:30 from 174.70.177.86

Of course there is hope! Glad things were at least a little better today.

From Kelli on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 20:57:25 from 71.219.67.82

Hey, if there is hope for the dog....

Here is to cooler weather magically tomorrow. We can always pray for it, right?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.953.100.000.0010.05

75F, 94% and calm.  Pretty good running weather today, relatively speaking.  Ran 5 LHR miles, average pace 10:14, but it wasn't really that bad, ran them at super low heart rate.  Then 5 x 1K at a fairly relaxed pace:  7:29 (154), 7:24 (159), 7:15 (166), 7:11 (72) and 7:16 (176).  Legs felt better today, but there has definitely been something going on.  Maybe residual fatigue from hiking, maybe I gained too much weight on vacation, maybe it's just too dang hot here.  But I'm gonna be fine.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 13:30:33 from 132.3.53.68

I bet it's a combination of those things, plus getting re-conditioned for Houston's summer misery. Good call pulling back the reins on today's run (and thanks for the 1k repeat idea, which I stole today).

From I Just Run on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 00:14:39 from 71.41.149.142

TOO DANG HOT ... That's all I have to say....!

From Steam8 on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 03:25:10 from 166.70.55.77

You are running that fast and complaining that it is too hot! BOO! I don't know how you could gain weight running 10 a day! You have been pumping out the fast miles....heat or no heat!

From Stephen on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:40:44 from 204.182.3.236

Relaxed pace for you is speed of light for me.

From JG on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:26:54 from 71.92.34.153

Nice running this week Flat! My guess it is re-acclimation to the heat!!

From Rye on Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:50:25 from 174.27.124.98

Anytime you go camping your diet goes to heck. I deal with stomache issues for days due to the garbage that I eat after camping. Nice run today!

From flatlander on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 18:03:27 from 198.207.244.102

Joe, no problem on the 1K repeats -- I stole it from a Japanese guy.

IJR, amen brother.

S8, thanks for the encouragement. You already know this, but two things are an art form in Texas, heat and complaining. In the summer we are in our element!

Stephen, not that much faster, you will catch up soon.

JG, I think that must be it. Still haven't weighed myself.

Rye, you might be on to something. The freeze-dried food followed by several days of gorging on beef was not a Julia Childs recipe for good dietary behavior.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

Inside on TM.  Work prevented getting outside this morning, so did 6 on TM at noon.  Started out at 5.5 mph and ended at 10 mph, uphill and downhill, 3% incline each way.  (Not to worry, the 10 mph was downhill all the way and lasted less than a quarter.)  Legs actually felt pretty good, we'll see if it translates into better running tomorrow.  I didn't try to watch TV on this session and it seemed to actually help the boredom.  Could it be that my brain is more interesting?  Probably not.

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From I Just Run on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:07:59 from 67.79.11.242

Yes... your brain is more interesting than the "crap" that's on TV these days...!

Does your treadmill actually ramp down for a downhill run? Mine only goes flat and up.

From SlowJoe on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:11:14 from 132.3.53.68

At least on a TM you can mix it up a bit for a good change of pace. I like letting my brain drift from topic to topic (without music or TV) although I wouldn't call it "interesting" either.

From Dan on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 16:00:05 from 72.49.112.127

I hear ya on the work getting in the way... I hate treadmills, but the TV is nice.

From flatlander on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 18:07:00 from 198.207.244.102

Preston, I dunno, they tried to graph my brain waves once and they weren't very wavy. As to the TM, I just prop the back up.

Joe, I might be back on it this weekend. With 500 cable channels you would think I could find something interesting.

Dan, I hate it how I have to make a living, so inconvenient.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.430.000.000.0017.43

80F, 80%, WSW 4 mph.  A little bit better running weather with slightly lower humidity.  I can't do a full long run tomorrow so decided to try today.  The goal was to warm up for 1 mile and run 19 at 8:00 per mile.  Happy to report that the warm-up mile was successful.

I picked out a 3.17 mile loop close to my hosue, set down 3 water bottles and decided to run it 6 times if possible.  I also carried a 6-oz flask of EFS.  Once I started in, I could tell by the feel of things that 8:00 was too ambitious.  So I tried to stick to an 8:20 pace for the duration.  I mostly succeeded, but by the time I finished 4 laps things were lagging.  I had an 8:19 average for 4 but finished 5 (plus a little to get to 16 miles flat) with an 8:22 average.  By then the sun was way up, I was almost out of water, and my sweat rate had diminished, so I called it quits.  Was also gagging on the EFS, but I'm getting better at it.  Despite falling short this was a pretty good run.  No bonk, and no regrets for stoppping early.  I have another high altitude adventure planned for Saturday a week, so my next shot at this run is in two weeks.

If I could get 6 laps at 8:00 per mile in the heat I think that would set me up for a good race in St. George.  The last time I did St. George, 2 years ago, I got about 1:20 per mile boost over my best 20-mile time in the heat.  On the other hand, that was for a 5-hour marathon (11:23 per mile versus 12:40 training) -- I don't expect to improve anywhere close to that much this time around, but 0:30 per mile would be fantastic if it actually happened.

It is now late afternoon and I can still feel the endorphins from this run, even though my legs ache and my right achilles is complaining.  I think it was a good thing to do, although nobody I know recommends doing 20-mile time trials on a regular basis.  Maybe I will feel worse when I hit 19 or 20, but for now I am happy.

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From seeaprilrun on Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 18:05:09 from 174.70.177.86

Wow this looks great! 20% less humidity and you took off! Great job!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:11:33 from 75.109.104.60

Good solid running in miserable conditions. Can't risk going too long without enough water, probably a good call.

From Rye on Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 21:39:02 from 174.27.104.121

I remember a run out here in Idaho with the temps in the 90's and we ran out of water and we still had six miles to get back to town. (country roads) I would have slammed down just about any kind of beverage that day. Not good when the little green men come out.

From Rye on Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 21:40:15 from 174.27.104.121

What's your high altitude adventure?

From Dan on Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 23:52:17 from 24.209.83.20

Nice run, and if you had that kind of result at St George before, I see no reason why you couldn't do even better knowing the course. I am going to have to fly out there and run that someday.

From JG on Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:27:18 from 66.168.206.98

Awesome run in 80 degree heat Flat! 50-60 degrees in St. George with low humidity will feel like heaven! Good job!

From I Just Run on Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:25:03 from 67.79.11.242

Good call in stoping when your body said to... I'm guilty of ignoring what my body is saying and pressing through and you see where it's gotten me.

From flatlander on Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 14:59:09 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks everybody. I ran again this morning after a long weekend, will post soon.

Rye, going to run/climb Kings Peak in Utah this weekend with my friend Wade. He just summited Elbert in Colorado yesterday, wants to get all 50 (substituting D.C. for Alaska), thought I would get in on one of them.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.235.000.000.0010.23

77F, 90%, SSW 4 mph.  Pretty normal running weather.  We set an all-time record yesterday with 22 straight 100+ days, 35 in all.  Usually the humidity modulates the temperature to the low 90s but it has gotten away from us this year.

Saturday I went to San Marcos to help my daughter move, then celebrated my wife's birthday that night back in Houston, so no running at all.  Monday, well, that was my "procedure", which went off without a hitch.  But that stuff they have you drink will give you nightmares.  Much worse than the procedure itself.  Funny thing, though, the monitor was showing high blood pressure, have never had that before.  It was 106/60 in the dentist's chair only a week ago, but the systolic was over 150 yesterday when I woke up.

So I spent yesterday sleeping and getting the anesthesia out of my system, felt pretty normal when I woke up this morning.  My LHR pace was about right for this temperature/humidity combination, 10:11 per mile.  Then decided there was no reason to take it easy, so I ran 5 at 7:30 per mile:  7:41 (158), 7:35 (166), 7:27 (174), 7:22 (179) and 7:25 (186), average 7:30.  Total 10.13 miles in 1:30:42, average 8:52/mile.  Despite the high heart rate, I felt pretty good while running so I kept the foot on the gas and finished hard.  That is the longest non-injury break I have had in a while.

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From Smooth on Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 17:21:07 from 174.27.193.15

NO reason to take it easy after such an eventful weekend?!!! You're incredible! Those are some speedy miles! NICELY done!

From I Just Run on Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 17:56:10 from 67.79.11.242

Hey...I saw you in San Marcos on Saturday and waved and waved and you ignored me! What's up...? I though we were blog buddies... :)

You know I live right outside of San Marcos..

From Dan on Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 22:23:58 from 24.209.83.20

Flat- I have to agree with smooth! You are a tough customer.

From allie on Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 22:38:19 from 24.10.191.18

nice job! that's a great run after everything you did over the past few days.

From flatlander on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:24:18 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks Smooth, we're all just trying to keep up with you, which is a hopeless task.

IJR, I was probably shopping in the outlet mall for my wife's birthday -- no time for friends! Took my daughter and watched her systematically try out every purse in the store, with three clerks at her beck and call. Man, I got a good deal, though, and my wife was impressed that I picked out the perfect purse!

Dan, no way, I am slowing down, pretty sure. Hate to admit it, won't know for sure until the weather cools down and I get a read on where I am at.

Allie, thanks, really great to see you running so well right now.

From I Just Run on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:44:31 from 67.79.11.242

All I have to say is that "I HATE THE OUTLET MALL" way to many people....!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.950.003.100.0010.05

80F, 85%, SW 3 mph.  I felt no wind out there, felt very humid even though the RH reading was lower than yesterday.  Ran 10.05 miles in 1:32:07, average pace 9:10 per mile.  Started again with 5 LHR, average pace 10:20 (not good), followed by 5 x 1000 at tempo pace:  7:13 (166), 7:05 (172), 6:49 (178), 7:00 (183) and 6:56 (185), average 7:01, maxHR 192 in the last interval, just 1 bpm below the highest I have recorded, which was in a 5-mile race at 77F last Thanksgiving day.  Just went back and read that entry again, conditions and HR readouts were almost identical to this morning, except no sun, no race and no Kate -- so not that identical.  I was running faster today, but they were intervals, not a sustained push.  Off to Peru today for meetings in the morning, then to Utah on Friday for the Kings Peak adventure on Saturday.  Don't know if I will run again before Saturday.

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From SlowJoe on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:42:52 from 132.3.53.68

Whew, that humidity is brutal at 80 degrees; I could almost feel the sweltering effect from here.

Have a nice trip!

From Stephen on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:46:54 from 204.182.3.236

When you said August was a traveling month, you weren't kidding. I'm impressed with your mileage even with the traveling.

From I Just Run on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:13:21 from 67.79.11.242

You seem to have been running a lot of interval stuff lately. You know I peaked my HR yesterday while biking. It seems similar to your HR peak. I've noticed when I bike my HR takes huge swings from high to low (as I pedal hard and as I pedal lightly). It can swing from 110 to 175 in just a couple of minutes. Maybe it's like you running your intervals...slow, fast, slow, fast..? I'm not sure what we can do with this tidbit of information...but it's and interesting comparison.

Hope you have a successful trip!

From Dan on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:38:53 from 24.209.83.20

Tough running, feel for you. Be safe travelling!

From Kelli on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 22:42:05 from 71.219.67.82

Peru and then Utah....that is quite the change! Have fun on King's Peak, watch out for bears or moose or mountain lions or squirrels....whatever runs rampant there!

Great workout. I just do not know about all of that HR stuff, it would be interesting to be able to see it and look back on it like you do.

From Steam8 on Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 21:13:09 from 166.70.55.77

Sounds like a fun week! It is pretty HOT here right now... nothing you aren't used to though!

From baldnspicy on Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 23:00:56 from 87.225.253.174

I've been tracking my HR as well, but I don't know what to make of it. I figure my Garmin tracks it so I might as well capture the data and see if it makes sense over time.

I have noticed that my HR is higher for a certain pace now during my recovery. I expect it to go down over time showing better fitness.

That's some high HR though. I haven't gotten over 178. I think I just wimp out before it goes any higher. :-)

From Kelli on Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 19:23:11 from 71.219.67.82

I have reached 190+ in SPIN class (the only time I take my hear rate!) Apparently I better not work so hard, but I keep thinking if I spin faster class will be over!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
28.100.000.000.0028.10

45F, High Uintahs Wilderness Area.  This was our assault on Kings Peak, the highest point in Utah.  Wade is in a club of guys that do this for every state.  Utah is his 24th state or something like that.  He climbed Elbert in Colorado on Monday, and after we were done today he said Kings Peak is more difficult due to the length and condition of the trail, even though it is a thousand feet lower.  I returned from Peru Friday morning at 6:30, got home at 7:30, packed and left for the airport at 9:30.  I stuffed everything I needed for the weekend into my backpack, Wade picked me up at the airport in SLC and we camped at the Henry's Fork trailhead on Friday night after buying some last-minute supplies in Evanston, Wyoming.  We woke up early, broke camp, ate a cold breakfast and hit the trail at 6:17, first light. 

The goal was to do the 28-mile round trip in 10 hours.  Wade had a lunch bet with some work colleagues that he could make it that fast, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't the reason he had to buy lunch.  We didn't see anybody until we got to Dollar Lake, which is about the halfway point, then there were lots of people on the trail after that.  The normal schedule is to hike in, camp and then do the assault as a day hike from a closer distance, then pack out -- a 3-day trip.  No such luxuries for us, but we got lots of compliments for our foolhardiness, especially when they found out we were sea-level rats.

After Dollar Lake is Gunsight Pass, following which you have a choice to climb a ridge and go straight across to Anderson Pass, or do the more sensible thing and drop back down into a basin that eventually goes to Mirror Lake (I think) and then back up to Anderson Pass.  We went into the basin and back up.  Just below Anderson Pass a lone hiker came across the ridge and said the shortcut wasn't too bad at all.  He was Matt, the only guy all day we saw who was faster than us -- more about the girl side of things later.  From Anderson Pass we headed up the ridge to the summit, actually about 5 of them, it stairsteps and each one looks like the top as you are coming up.  Worse, there isn't a trail, it is just a boulder scramble, and it lasts almost a mile.  The view from the top was magnificent, of course, we could see 4 basins surrounding the peak.  Matt was waiting for us up there and had us take his picture because he forgot his camera.  (I would post pictures but I left my camera cord and can't download photos yet.)  I have never been over 13,000 feet before, the summit is over 13,500, so at least one PR this year.  Wade and I were both getting altitude headaches, but they were under control.  I did lose my appetite once we cleared 12,000 feet, though.  Despite it all, we still got to the summit in 5:17, so we figured we would make it up on the way down.

Wrong, it took longer to get off the summit back to Anderson Pass than to climb up.  Below Anderson Pass I twisted my ankle badly, about 12 miles from the parking lot.  Insult to injury, I twisted it because I stepped wrong on a clump of grass.  I could tell when it happened that it was bad, but no choice, had to keep going or call a helicopter.  Even though I didn't twist it on a rock, I blame it on my jello legs from coming down.  Then to make up time we took the cut-off across the ridge.  It was OK until we had to come off the ridge into Gunsight.  Those rocks are loose, some of them large, and I was not in good enough shape to be coming down a rocky slope.  At one point I started a rockslide and almost went down with it.  Needless to say, I am not recommending the cut-off, frankly I think it is dangerous.  Then weather moved in and we found ourselves in a hailstorm.  After Gunsight the hailstorm turned into a thunderstorm, and the lightning was hitting within a couple of hundred yards of us, a couple of the strikes even closer.  But there was no place to hide, so we kept going and hoped for the best.  Altogether the storm lasted about 2 hours, which in my experience is very uncharacteristic for summer monsoons in western mountains.

Below Dollar Lake Wade started to get very tired, and I wasn't feeling too good either.  We stopped to refill water and he and I both ate, which turned out to be the only thing wrong with him.  About 4 miles from the trailhead a couple of women came jogging past us.  They said they had been all the way to the top, although we couldn't figure out how they had done it since we didn't see them heading up.  We think maybe they started after us and had dropped down into the basin on the way up while we were taking the cutoff on our return trip.  But Wade and I were unable to jog along these rocky trails at this altitude.  We are just flatlanders -- we would need trail shoes, trail skills and trail training to be able to jog this thing.  Apparently the record is in the 5-hour range.

The trip down took almost 7 hours, so about 12 hours total.  Wade graciously didn't blame it on my ankle, he said he wouldn't have been able to make 10 hours anyway.  We were both relieved to be back safely.  I am putting this down as a long run because, believe it or not, we were wearing heart rate monitors and the whole trip was in the LHR range. 

My ankle today is very sore, to the pont it could interrupt SGM preparations.  On the good side, my quads are the sorest they have ever been, including after any downhill marathon,.  That means I got some very good downhill training which hopefully will carry over to October 1.  Honestly, I can't go down stairs today without grasping a handrail.

Back to the heat in the morning.  Houston set an all-time record high on Saturday.  Apparently some weatherman is predicting that the ridge of high pressure is supposed to move off in two weeks.  Two weeks?  That sort of a forecast has no science to it, about as useful as saying temperatures will drop by Christmas.  Hate to say it, but we need a big, slow-moving tropical storm to get us out of this rut.  But I got out of the heat for one memorable day at least.

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From Burt on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 01:18:17 from 72.223.91.148

Wow Flatty my boy. What an adventure! Glad you lived to tell the tale. Would you do it again?

From flatlander on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 01:37:58 from 75.196.231.56

Never

From SlowJoe on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:12:30 from 132.3.53.68

Wow, that story had everything. Sounds like a nerve-wracking but ultimately successful journey. Don't blame you for not wanting to do it again though.

From Stephen on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:53:15 from 204.182.3.236

Even though you told me most of this, I enjoyed the narrative better. Maybe you can be a writer when you get old.

From I Just Run on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:01:29 from 67.79.11.242

I thought I was reading a Lewis and Clark adventrue...With the Indian girls and everything :-) Sorry about the ankle, let's hope it heals very quickly!

From Dave S on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 14:36:56 from 4.253.99.186

Sounds like quite an adventure. Sounds like a good workout to prepare for the St George downhills. Hopefully the ankle won't interfere to much.

From Byron on Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 16:58:05 from 128.187.97.2

I would have slowed you guys down, but at least I could have offered some comic relief. (that is, if you think guiding in the rescue helicopter is humorous). Next time!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.390.000.000.006.39

63F, 94%, ESE 6 mph.  Unfortunately, those are Utah temperatures.  Actually, I was surprised at how warm it is here, but even at 94% humidity the air feels cooler here because at altitude it doesn't hold as much water per unit, if that makes sense.  Got up very early and ran with my brother -- I have been sleeping in his house and eating his food all weekend.  He blogs on here as Stephen.  That's because his name is Stephen.  He needs a tag-line for his blog, right now it says "This message goes at top of blog."  His is probably better than mine, now that I think about it.  Mine makes me sound old, and I am definitely never going to be old.

We ran out to Main Street  from Stephen's house in Orem, up to 1600 North, over to 400 East, down to Center Street, back to State Street, back to 1600 North and home.  Total of 6.39 miles at 9:56 per mile, LHR and old (there's that word again), heavy shoes, still wet from Saturday's adventure.  Pretty good run under the circumstances.

I was just happy to be in the game this morning.  Ankle was very sore when I woke up, but did fine running after I got it warmed up a little bit.  Was talking to my son Clint last night and he said current medical learning for sprains is to work the heck out of it, stay on it as much as you can.  If you don't show bruising it is probably going to be OK, especially if it is on the outside of the foot, which mine is.  I probably did myself a favor on Satuday by walking out on it instead of sitting down and having a good cry, even though it was painful.  Bigger problem right now is my quads, glutes and calves.  It is two days later and I still hurt everywhere, still can't go down a flight of stairs even though I can run, worse than any marathon I can recall.  But I am actually happy about that, it means I probably did myself some good.  Back to Houston today, might get in some TM miles tonight.

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From Rye on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 15:34:42 from 70.58.163.66

You are a traveling man! Hoped you enjoyed the west.

From Kelli on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 19:53:53 from 71.219.67.82

I agree on the ankle sprain, they seem to go away the more you keep at it!

Loving the weather here I bet! I was a bit confused when I saw that on YOUR blog! How long are you here?

From Dan on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 23:35:25 from 24.209.83.20

Man you do travel a lot. Sorry about the pains throughout, hope it passes. I am an expert on humidity lol - if the temp gets below 65 it affects you much less than just 5 to 10 degrees hotter (I despise the 70 degree 100% days, yet the 60 degree 100% are fine - still somewhat wet, but good). Hey good run and be well.

From allie on Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 23:51:48 from 24.10.191.18

hey, you were in utah! cool. i'm glad your ankle was ok for the run. hope you made it back to houston safely.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:47:03 from 132.3.53.68

Forget the humidity - the air feels cooler there because it IS cooler there! Welcome back, hope it was a nice trip.

Not that you need confirmation (your son is a doctor right?) but I noticed the same thing with sprained ankes -- working it out, doing ankle circles, writing the alphabet with your toe, etc. seems to help a lot.

From I Just Run on Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:58:32 from 67.79.11.242

First...I thought you were a lawyer not a scientist...I'm confused. Now I also learn your son is a doctor...I thought he was still in high school...? Oh well, as Burt says, you can be anyone you want to be on the Blog...:-) Maybe your brother should be Ryan Hall!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.712.490.000.0010.20

76F, 82%, calm.  Ran OK again today, 10.20 miles at overall 9:04 pace, including 4 at 7:40:  7:41 (158), 7:38 (167), 7:40 (174) and 7:42 (179), maxHR 179.  Legs are still tired though.

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From allie on Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:33:40 from 161.38.218.168

that's a great run for tired legs. nice job.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.350.003.730.0010.08

73F, 97%, WSW 2 mph, essentially calm.  Should be some rain in a couple of days, but not much cooling predicted, still hitting triple digits every day.  We'll take what we can get.  I feel overtrained right now, which is strange because I have done several weeks in a row at less than 70 miles.  Getting slower instead of faster, not a good time for this to happen.  But trying not to worry, and at least I am progressing well this week in recovering from Saturday.  Ran 4 LHR miles at about 10:10 per mile, then 6 x 1000 at HM pace:  7:12 (154), 7:16 (161), 7:18 (165), 7:16 (168), 7:11 (174) and 7:12 (174), maxHR 184, overall pace 8:57 for 10.08 miles (1:30:14).

Here are some photos from Saturday's frolic.  Kings Peak is a stark place.

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From Burt on Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:00:58 from 206.19.214.144

Awesome pictures. Glad you're able to run.

From Steam8 on Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 19:41:42 from 166.70.55.77

Oh...love the pics! Looks like quite a scramble to the top. What fun!

From Dan on Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 21:00:26 from 24.209.83.20

Nice pics, good run

From SlowJoe on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 10:43:32 from 132.3.53.68

I've been in a rut the last week or 2 as well - cooler weather is on its way...

Thanks for posting the pictures, looks like a lot of fun.. as long as you don't sprain your ankle or get struck by lightning.

From derhammer on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 11:34:15 from 192.156.110.34

Wow - gorgeous up there. I used to live in Colorado Springs - I miss seeing the mountains every day.

From seeaprilrun on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 11:39:00 from 174.70.177.86

Stark but gorgeous scenery! Way to do speedwork although you're not feeling it. I will send some good running feelings your way!

From I Just Run on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 15:10:26 from 67.79.11.242

Thanks for sharing the pictures ... God's creation is amazing...!

From allie on Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 19:17:04 from 24.10.191.18

great pics!

From flatlander on Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 22:30:33 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks everybody. I'm really glad I did the climb, but that's it, once is enough.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.215.000.000.0010.21

77F, 84%, WNW 2 mph.  Slightly cooler but didn't it didn't really feel like it.  Didn't run yesterday due to work pressures, and I was short on sleep this morning.  Got out at about 6:20 after doing the seminary run.  Was going to run short but once I got into it, stopping early to get to other duties didn't seem so important -- running puts things in perspective they say.  Started with 5 LHR miles, average pace 10:11, then 5 at GMP:  7:26 (160), 7:34 (168), 7:22 (173), 7:33 (177) and 7:29 (182), average pace 7:29 and maxHR 186, much better than earlier this week.  Total 10.20 miles in 1:30:16, average 8:50 per mile.  Legs felt good, finally, after resting a day, we'll see how they feel in the morning for the long run.

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From JG on Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 23:14:36 from 66.168.207.228

Nice 10 miler in the heat & humidty! Awesome pace for the 5 faster miles in those conditions ... great workout!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.150.000.000.0020.15

77F, 71%, NNW 5 mph.  Definitely better weather today, just having the wind from the north was a nice touch I thought.  Tuesday morning is forecast at 59F, but I'll believe it when I see it.  Two weeks ago I tried to do 19 miles at 8:00 per mile and ended up with16 at 8:22.  At the time I thought if I could go to 8:10 and then 8:00, I would be setting myself up for a good race in St. George.  So that meant today's goal was 8:10 for 19 miles.  Two weeks ago it was 80F and 80%, so today was better weather, but still a bona fide run in the heat.

I took EFS and set out two water bottles, then warmed up for 1.15 miles with the clock off.  Took one last drink, turned on my Garmin and set off on my 5K lap.  I stopped briefly after each lap to take a drink, and EFS every other lap, 6 laps in all.  I started out at 8:29, but overall the first three laps were a breeze, even hit some sub-8s on some of the splits.  I kept my heart rate at or under 160 through the first 10 miles.  Right at the beginning of my fourth lap the lap counter on my Garmin filled up, so I had to stand there in the dark (alone) and figure out how to clear it.  By the end of the fourth lap I was feeling it, but my heart rate was still under 170, and I was still able to hit 8 flat whenever I wanted to.  I hit 8:00 for miles 17, 18 and 19, and overall pace was 8:08 (maxHR 181), so I beat my goal by 2 seconds and I beat my previous run by 14 seconds, so I was happy about this one.  When I got to 19 miles I stopped, not one step further, and walked it in.  In two weeks I plan to try it again and see if I can beat 8.  If I can do that, I think I will have a realistic chance of getting a 3:30 at St. George even if temps are higher than average like they were last year.

After this marathon I am going to switch to something besides EFS.  I like the fact that I get calories, electrolytes and amino acids out of it, but I don't like the taste and my stomach is not a fan either.  I am getting through my runs on it, but somebody ought to figure out something that does the same thing and is a little more pleasant.

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From Rye on Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 11:37:10 from 70.58.163.66

Nice run flat! Seems like you are right were you need to be for STGM.

From derhammer on Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 11:48:37 from 70.113.125.159

Nice run! I hate when the lap counter fills up - always at the worse moment, too.

I found EFS too syrupy for my tastes. Like you said, it seems to have great ingredients, but if it tastes bad it kind of defeats the purpose.

Looks like you are ready for the marathon!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 12:36:22 from 75.109.104.60

Yep, that is still certifiably hot, so very nice run. Looking good for St George.

Have you ever tried the powder mix Gatorade instead of the bottled? Instead of high-fructose corn syrup, the carbs come from regular sugar. My wife can tolerate the powder, but not the bottled.

From seeaprilrun on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 00:58:11 from 205.172.12.230

Good run and ended well! The cooler temps are helping, and SG will surely be cooler! I thin your 3:30 will be easily attainable.

From allie on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 01:16:27 from 24.10.191.18

great run today. have you ever tried emergen-c?

From flatlander on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 08:06:30 from 76.31.26.153

Rye, thanks, I hope so, but still gotta run the race, until then it means nothing.

DH, what are you using these days? I recall you mentioning something.

Joe, I have heard that as well. I would have to carry a hand-held to make it work, and re-mix halfway through, but it might be worth it.

April, thanks. BTW, it is really encouraging how you have St. George lined up in your gunsights right now.

Allie, that looks like it tastes good and has all the electrolytes and other supplements you need. Do you supplement it with something else for fuel/calories?

From derhammer on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 10:17:31 from 70.113.125.159

Hey Flat,

For my Iowa marathon I went back to GU (Roctane) and the Power Bar gels. On long runs I will have one or two of either. I found that taking with water and swishing it around before swallowing helps break it down faster and it goes down easier.

From allie on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 11:05:56 from 24.10.191.18

normally i just mix it with a little water and it's fine. last year for a marathon i added some honey so that if offered more fuel. i consider myself to have one of the most sensitive stomachs on the planet, and this combination has never given me trouble.

Race: Be the One 5K (3.14 Miles) 00:21:45, Place overall: 14, Place in age division: 3
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.500.003.140.009.64

80F, 60%, NNW 25 mph.  Gusty and dry.  Decided late last night to do a 5K today, thinking there would be races spread all over town on a holiday.  There was one, in far southwest Houston, an hour from my house.  But it started late, which was good because I got a full night's sleep, and bad because, well, it didn't start until late.  I arrived at about 7:00, registered, got my bib and chip and visited the PoP, at which time I had a half hour left.  I decided I had time to run the course, so I left the starting area and jogged about 3.4 at a 10-minute pace.  They already had the aid station set up and about 5 guys offered me water as I went through it.  They must have thought I was winning.  I got back to the start line just before the gun.  With all the weight I have lost my elbows are a little sharper, so I wedged in up close to the front, the horn sounded and we were off.

The course was out and back, wind at our backs going out and a distinct downhill tilt.  Which meant just the reverse coming back.  Since I ran hard on Saturday, my plan was to do the first mile in 7 flat then crank it up.  As a result I was getting passed right and left the first quarter, but it turns out almost everybody overestimated what they could do in the heat and dry wind.  It was like I was the only guy who had been running in it all summer.  The first mile came in at 6:47 -- good thing I didn't go out fast.  I cranked it up right on schedule, and the second mile came in at 6:54.  So I cranked it up again, and the third mile came in at 7:12.  I am such a good runner.  In my defense, a 25 mph wind is a very strong headwind, and the uphill tilt coming back was no picnic, even though it was probably less than 1% overall. 

This race was a tale of the old and the young.  I had the hardest time passing a 5-7 year old girl, finally got her at the 1-mile mark and congratulated her.  She ignored me.  Then at the turnaround I saw her again, ahead of me.  I suspected fraud, but there were no shortcuts unless she got in a vehicle.  That one bugged me all the way in.  Then at about mile 2 I caught a 9-year old boy who was really fighting.  He surged past me after I passed him, but he was crying out loud with the pain.  Kids don't know that pain is OK.  I hit the accelerator and passed him for the last time and congratulated him.  He ignored me.  In the process I passed the only two old guys I saw, one at mile 1.25 and the other at mile 1.75, and made it stick on both of them.  My age division was 50-59, so I figured I had that one sewed up.  Final conquest was a beefy guy running shirtless who looked like he might be past 40.  I thought it was worth it to try to catch him, finally got him at 2.7 and he congratulated me.  I ignored him.  There was a series of tight turns at the finish and I could see that some of the folks I had passed were making a last surge, so I turned it on and finished the last .14 at a 6:24 pace.  I was a little surprised at how smooth it felt and realized I should have turned it on for probably the last 3 quarters.  I might race again on Saturday and see if I can make that happen.

I collected my breath, got a water bottle and went out and ran the course for the third time at about a 9:20 pace, finally started catching walkers at mile 2.  There was a lady on the race staff standing near the end of the course who saw me come through for the third time.  I think she wanted to charge me extra.  Also, I got the last cup of water at the aid station just as they were taking it down.  So first and last, something biblical about that.

Just as I came in they started a 1K race and a few minutes later I saw 2 twin girls, age 5-7, come in together.  The same ones.  They ran both races and they are fast.  Still not sure if one of them beat me.

The course measures 3.14, pretty close as far as these types of races go, but at my speed that is 13 seconds slow.  Didn't matter today though.  As a result of running the course again I think I missed the announcements, but I finally found the posted results and it was interesting.  I didn't place in the 50-59 group because I got third masters, first time I have ever placed in that category.  I never saw the older guys ahead of me, thought I had caught them all, but the first masters runner was 59 and the second 48, if the results are accurate.  I finished officially at 21:46 if I recall correctly, about 1 minute slower than my PR, but finished 14th overall which was in the 97th percentile, my highest finish.  The winning time was about 17:30, slow even for Houston, so the weather nailed everybody.

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From allie on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 13:11:57 from 24.10.191.18

nice race today! sounds like the course and the conditions were pretty tough. good job putting your newly sharpened elbows to good use. i loved your biblical tale of the old, the young and the beefy.

From seeaprilrun on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 13:24:28 from 174.70.177.86

Wow, what an interesting smorgasboard of people. It sounds like you ran very smart and a 25mph headwind is a pace killer for sure. I didn't realize you were losing weight--you looked to be already mighty slim when I met you! Have a good one next week!

From Dave S on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 13:59:36 from 4.254.219.165

Nice job! Loved the report.

From Burt on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 16:09:04 from 72.223.91.148

Twins! Haha!

I'm glad I'm not the only one that writes incredibly long reports for 5ks :)

From Kelli on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 16:28:34 from 71.219.67.175

Holy cow, those are some fast kids out there! I would have love to have seen the speedy youngsters!

Good job to the old geezer, too. Great race time, uphill and wind in the face on the way back does not sound pleasant.

From Rye on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 17:30:24 from 75.174.15.219

Nice report flat. Headwinds are just plain nasty. I was thinking with those sharp elbows, maybe now would be the time to take up some basketball.

From I Just Run on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 17:38:40 from 166.205.13.178

I bet that twin thing was really messing with your head :-) good race considering the conditions. It's got to make you feel confident that you can improve that PR in good conditions!

From SlowJoe on Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 18:15:02 from 75.109.104.60

Hilarious report! I can relate to "cranking it up" in my mind yet still slowing down. Brutal conditions for sure -- doesn't get much worse, and your high percentile says you did well given the conditions; sorry that cold front did not arrive in time to help out.

From Mack on Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 02:59:26 from 50.39.193.169

Great report Flat! It made me laugh. Way to show some serious speed. Very inspirational.

From JG on Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 10:39:13 from 66.168.207.228

Awesome report & race ... congrats on placing in Masters! WooHoo!!

From flatlander on Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 23:38:26 from 70.248.243.198

Thanks Allie, the elbows are pencil thin.

April, haven't lost a ton of weight since the first of the year, but maybe a little. That is the fastest way to get faster.

Thanks Dave, racing always makes me like running more.

Burt, I never use 1 word when 10 will do.

Thanks Kelli, I looked at the official results and it turns out the girls weren't twins, but they looked identical to me. The one I managed to pass was 9, the other one was 11 and she won the female open category. The boy I passed was also 9.

IJR, I might try again Saturday, unless my legs are trashed all week.

Joe, it was kind of a pathetic effort really, but I am sticking with the weather excuse.

Thanks Mack and JG, it was a lot of fun, really glad I did it.

From Smooth on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 00:56:28 from 174.27.216.165

GREAT race report! AWESOME race! Love the biblical reference to the first and the last, the young and old and the beefy. CONGRATZ 3rd master! :)

From Claudio on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 15:58:16 from 216.99.185.50

I enjoyed reading your race report. Congratulations for top-3 masters and speedy time given the weather conditions!

From ACorn on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 17:56:53 from 68.66.168.22

Awesome race report! I got a good laugh, thanks.

From flatlander on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 17:08:33 from 198.207.244.102

Smooth, Claudio and Acorn, thanks so much, glad you liked the report! To make up for the length, one of these days I'll do a 2-line marathon report.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.380.000.000.0010.38

57F, 56% and calm.  The cool, dry weather finally arrived, it should last most of the week then back to regular temps next week, but so far only predicting average, not 10 degrees over like it has been.  I was beat up from Saturday and Monday, so I took it easy despite the good weather.  Ran 10.38 LHR miles in 1:42:57, average pace 9:55 per mile.  Very hard to get a good rhythm at first, but eventually I did.  There was no heart rate drift until the last mile, when my pace dropped by about 15 seconds.

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From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 11:31:14 from 67.79.11.242

So now I'm thinking I like 65 to 70 degree weather...I'm starting to get really picky in my old age :-)

From Rye on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 15:14:02 from 70.58.163.66

57 is hard to beat. How many LHR miles do you run during a typical week of training?

From flatlander on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 17:51:45 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, I'm sure you've already tried it, but do gloves help? That condition sounds difficult to compensate for.

Rye, most of my miles are LHR, I try to run either fast or slow, not much in between with the exception of some long runs with a group.

From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 18:42:23 from 67.79.11.242

Yes, I have running mittens and all sorts of insulated running gear. I just went to the store and bought $ 150 worth of biking gear (arm sleeves, toe mittens, gloves, leg sleeves). My wife is going to be realllly happy!

From flatlander on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 17:09:54 from 198.207.244.102

IJR, that is some serious bling. We need a photo of you wearing everything at the same time.

From I Just Run on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 17:48:50 from 166.205.12.217

Hey...Even if you can't run or bike fast you can always look good! Ha ha... I'll post a biking picture since I'm basically only a biker now!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.330.003.730.0010.06

59F, 64%, ENE 5 mph.  The superior weather continues.  Got up late and ran 10.06 miles in 1:27:10, average pace 8:40 per mile.  Started with 4 LHR miles at 9:39, then 6 x 1000:  7:30 (155), 7:19 (159), 6:58 (164), 6:45 (170), 6:52 (171) and 6:49 (174), active recovery out to the full mile after each interval.  Heart rate-wise I should have been able to go faster but legs were having none of it.  Still trying to think through that, but I think the answer is even while in the middle of a workout cycle with muscle tissue damage repairing each day but not completely, heart rate doesn't track that.  It just tracks overall conditioning.  Not sure how to take advantage of that though.

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From I Just Run on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 12:14:00 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Flat...You had some good fast miles there! My legs have been sore for three weeks now (thighs and hamstring area). It's like a band around my upper legs about 8" wide. I'm thinking the same thing as you on the muscle tissue damage. I know that my legs are getting bigger/fatter in that area.

From flatlander on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 17:12:24 from 198.207.244.102

Those are the biking muscles, right?

From I Just Run on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 17:45:18 from 166.205.12.217

I think...? I hope...!

From Sue on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 17:54:52 from 63.248.41.148

Hey I just moved from Houston! Sugarland. I couldn't find many runners to go with but I must have been looking in the wrong places. Keep up the good work!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.368.000.000.0012.36

57F, 69%, N 4 mph.  More sterling running weather.  Was only going to do 4 fast today but when I got outside I realized I needed to take better advantage of this weather.  I promised myself I wouldn't go faster than 7:30, glad I was able to accomplish that.  Started out with 4 LHR, average 9:39 per mile, then 8 at GMP:  7:47 (149), 7:44 (154), 7:39 (156), 7:25 (161), 7:39 (163), 7:42 (164), 7:21 (169) and 7:22 (173), average 7:38 per mile.  I think I have figured out the heart rate thing.  Training in the heat lowers your overall heart rate for the same speed, because your body gets more efficient at cooling while sending blood to the legs at the same time, but it doesn't improve leg strength at a faster than normal pace -- that comes only through running faster (and maybe longer), which is hard to do in the heat.  So when I start running in cooler weather I have plenty of heart rate reserve (173 out of 193 on a pretty fast last mile) but not enough leg strength to take advantage of it yet.  So I am smugly sitting on my new theory until a different one comes along.

I smelled smoke this morning.  One of the Texas wildfires is within 20 or 30 miles north of my house.  The due north wind brought the smoke right into the neighborhood.  We need a hurricane.  Yep, I said it.

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From SlowJoe on Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 17:41:47 from 75.109.104.60

I am kind of a Pfitzinger disciple now, so you'll have to pardon me, but I thought you might like this article if you haven't seen it already:

http://pfitzinger.com/labreports/heartrate.shtml

If I could piggyback on your theory (and nerd out a little), I think we run kinda dehydrated in the summer; I don't think either one of us probably brought even close to the correct amount of fluids for a 2-3 hr run when we ran together awhile back. My thought is that your overall MHR is lower in the heat (perceived effort higher) and try as we might, we can never achieve max (or even normal) cold weather HRs. Then we get dehydrated and get an artificially higher HR, adding to the misery.

Nice job out there today, you nailed 3:20 MP. Hopefully you'll get nailed with a hurricane too!

From Dan on Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 10:41:21 from 208.54.35.157

Nice run Flat. The fires have no chance of going your way I hope. I am in FL now at dads, I will see what I can do about your requested hurricane.

From JG on Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 11:21:33 from 66.168.207.228

Great run Flat, good job taking advantage of the cooler temps. I don't have any scientific analysis to add, I just know I am always amazed at how much easier things get when it gets cooler! Those summer heat runs are always brutal and hard to read too much into the whole pace/effort thing, but they definitely pay off! Hard to believe St. George is only 3 weeks away, I bet you are starting to get excited! I will pray for rain & change of wind direction!

From I Just Run on Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 13:01:09 from 67.79.11.242

I was confused and felt completly inadequate about running after reading you and Joe's entries today. Maybe I'm not smart enought to be a runner or maybe I need to stick to my "I Just Run" theory :-)

What I can contribute is --- Good Run!

From Dave S on Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 16:10:08 from 4.253.99.23

Nice run! Looking good for St George. Hopefully we'll get some nice cool weather down there [at least in the morning].

From Burt on Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 03:02:40 from 72.223.91.148

Have you ever have those unexplainable high rate runs where it your pace isn't any different than normal. I have a theory that just might explain that. Next time it happens ask yourself if you had to go #2. I think the heart works double time to supply blood to the sphincter.

Race: UNCF 5K (3.2 Miles) 00:21:49, Place overall: 3
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.400.003.200.009.60

70F, 84% and calm.  The heat has pretty much returned.  My firm decided to be a sponsor of a fundraiser for UNCF (United Negro College Fund), Elizabeth, one of my partners, is on the board.  I wanted another 5K today anyway, kind of a do-over from Monday, but it was more of the same.  Actually a little better.  If I get credit for the whole distance I ran, I got 6:48 per mile, and my PR at this distance is 6:41.  So 7 seconds per mile slower, even though conditions at that race were pretty comparable.  Ran the course once to warm up and once to cool down, pretty boring by the third time around.

I finished third, but I am not sure how many runners there were.  At least 80 but I think more like 150.  Two younger guys beat me but I had third place all to myself, next guy in was a minute slower.  Pretty slow 5K, not sure why I am still slow after running pretty hard all summer.

Missed yesterday because of work, at the office from 6:00 a.m. until midnight, hoping to get a little better running in this coming week, it will be my last chance before a short 2-week taper for SGM.

Went to the Texas/BYU game in Austin this evening.  BYU won the first half handily, after that it was a nightmare.  At least I got a good photo.  This is the definition of a nose-bleed seat, even though it wasn't priced like it:

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From allie on Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 01:06:31 from 24.10.191.18

nice race, flat! and cool picture. hook 'em horns! (sorry...)

From Mack on Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 03:14:56 from 50.39.193.169

Nice job on the third pace finish! All of that consistent hard work you put in sure shows on race day.

Cool picture. Still looks pretty good for nosebleed. I it on TV. Close game but Texas' defense sure got stingy in the second half.

From lightitup on Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 04:11:32 from 67.5.103.78

Just checking in to say good job. Good job. You are a very impressive, older than me, person.

From JG on Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 22:53:51 from 71.59.27.33

Great job, those conditions def take a toll on you running speedy miles. Hope you have a strong last week of full tilt prep for St George

From ACorn on Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 23:12:04 from 24.2.76.146

Solid race! I'm also impressed by the 18 hours at the office, you deserve a medal for both.

From Rye on Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 01:16:29 from 174.27.123.67

Wow! What an interesting weekend that you experienced. Is your football interest like most Texans? By the way, third place is awesome. Great job! Hey, what's up with Burt being ahead of you? Is that one of Burt's photoshop pics?

From SlowJoe on Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:45:34 from 132.3.53.68

Nice race, congrats on 3rd - it's definitely still a little warm out there.

The BYU game stressed me out; I think it's gonna be another long rebuilding year for my Longhorns again. Cool that you got to see BYU play close to home though.

From Dan on Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 19:08:01 from 208.54.7.134

Hey congrats on the race! Nice pic, love college football :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.110.000.000.0010.11

70F, 90% and calm.  Pretty good weather.  I was struggling over the weekend with the ankle I sprained climbing Kings Peak a couple of weeks ago, so I decided not to run hard today, plenty of that on Saturday and otherwise last week.  Went 10.11 miles in 1:40:01, average 9:54 per LHR mile.  My heart rate held through almost 9 miles before it finally started drifting and slowed me down.  Basically I was stiff and sore but otherwise in pretty good shape today.  Every car I saw this morning gave me a wide berth, this is a pretty good neighborhood to run in, even in the dark.  At least if I finish before school.  If I'm running late I encounter teenagers awaking too late from their pampered slumber, 15 minutes late for first period and not caring who is in their way.  Those guys are dangerous.

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From Steam8 on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 13:14:43 from 166.70.55.77

I haven't been on in a while. Wow...You are still pumping out the miles every day. Are you running St. George?

From Mack on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:17:03 from 50.39.193.169

Nice job Flat. Funny how running regularly helps you tune in to the nuances of a neighborhood.

As one who is in the midst of raising a house full of teenagers I couldn't help but chuckle at your choice of words: "pampered slumber." You sound like someone who knows...

From flatlander on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:51:11 from 198.207.244.102

S8, yep, are you? Would be great to meet you, I think at one time Kelli mentioned everybody getting together for Saturday night, but I don't know if that is still happening.

Mack, I always know when somebody new ventures out. I try not to stare too hard and make them uncomfortable. The thing I can't figure out about teenagers sleeping is, if it is a physical necessity, why couldn't I do it when I was one of them? My kids keep referring to the Alamo and the Pleistocene age, some maybe we really have evolved?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.313.730.000.0010.04

76F, 87%, SSW 7 mph.  Back to normal running conditions, so might as well do the same old workout.  Ran 4 LHR miles, pace 9:53, then 6 x 1K progressively faster:  8:02 (149), 7:31 (158), 7:22 (161), 7:09 (165), 7:04 (171 and 7:01 (175), average 7:22, maxHR 181.

Just a cell phone picture, but when I was running this morning, right after my 4th split, several large birds settled onto a rooftop right in front of me.  They are turkey vultures, 15 of them.  I obviously need to improve my running form, but at least I got a new slogan for my blog.

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From ACorn on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 16:16:46 from 68.66.168.22

That's a cool pic, whenever I see vultures I think of the Disney film, The Jungle Book.

Solid run!

From Dan on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 19:48:41 from 208.54.85.145

Nice run, is that Burt's house they are on?

From allie on Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 21:28:17 from 24.10.191.18

so...what's inside that house? time to investigate.

From flatlander on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:00:44 from 198.207.244.102

ACorn, thanks, these guys seemed much more serious though.

Dan, thanks. You might be right. He has never invited me over, so it could be.

Allie, very good, seriously I hadn't thought of that. Vultures can smell one part per billion or something like that. Reminds me of Rear Window, that old Hitchcock movie where the fu fu dog found the body buried under the flowers in the common area. The birds weren't out there this morning though -- good thing, I was ready to call 911 after reading your comment.

From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:19:38 from 67.79.11.242

There's these two vultures sitting on a fence, see, and one vulture says to the other, "Patience hell - I'm going to go kill something."

From Rye on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:44:45 from 70.58.163.66

I like it! Kind of creepy though. Have you watched the movie Birds lately?

From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 14:43:54 from 67.79.11.242

I think I was about 10 when I saw that movie. I didn't sleep well for months after watching it :-(

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.940.001.240.0010.18

77F, 91%, SW 8 mph.  We will break our record high for today by about 6 degrees, these temperatures are astonishing.  I ran 10.18 miles in 1:37:26, average 9:34 per mile.  Started with 6 LHR miles, average 9:52, then did 10 x 200 sprints, except the sprints weren't very fast.  I picked a straight stretch in the back of my neighborhood that was .13 miles long and sprinted down then returned at a slog.  Slowest was 6:34 pace and the fastest 5:52, most in the low 6s, maxHR 179.  A little discouraging that my legs won't go any faster, I felt like I was flying, I was sure I was running in the low 5s, but couldn't see my watch well enough until I got back to the house.  But at least I have identified why I am not fast.  I'm certain it's because I'm slow.  I run at a high percentage of VO2max compared to most runners I know, but that pace so far isn't producing much speed.  I have started working on this and am getting some outside advice, but it was astounding to me that one of my sprints was only a little faster than my 5K pace, and slower than I had planned to be running 5Ks by the end of the year.  I will be paying much more attention to this going forward.

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From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:29:32 from 67.79.11.242

I'm sure tired of this heat...I'm sure you are too!

Regarding your comment on speed, I think Derhammer's comment/excert from yesterday may be a help..It said:

"Namely, there really isn't that much difference in training between someone training for a mile or someone training for a marathon. Specifically, all phases of training need to be addressed in order to improve all facets of conditioning - long runs, progressive runs, intervals, and mileage. Leave any one of these out you will never reach your full potential."

It makes a lot of sense to me... :-)

From ACorn on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 14:05:12 from 68.66.168.22

Nice workout, you've run a couple of 5ks in the last couple of weeks and been putting in solid mileage. You may still be recovering.

To get a real accurate assessment of your current ability, I would say to take an easy day or two and then run/race a mile at the track or on as flat a stretch of road as possible. That'll give you a baseline idea of how hard you should be running some track repeats and intervals during your runs to increase your speed.

From JG on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 14:29:08 from 71.59.27.33

Good running Flat! I think speed has a lot to do with form. It was just last fall I started concentrating on this and becoming more a midfoot/forefoot striker, increasing my forward lean, shortening my stride and increasing my cadence! All these things are easier said than done, and take lots of practice, but I am convinced they helped my speed more than anything. I am much faster in all shorter distances, and this came from improving my form, not my fitness level. I have been a competitive athlete my whole life, and most of it I was not running efficiently! This is true of most people.

From Smooth on Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 16:59:31 from 174.27.201.64

Your mileage and speed workout are AWESOME!!! Good points from what everyone has mentioned.

NICE work as always!

From Huans32 on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:08:01 from 138.64.8.51

Wow still way hot down there. Lets hope that SGM will be nice and cool this year. I am sure if its hot again. You will do awesome. As for me I will roast in the heat again.

From flatlander on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 09:22:06 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, yes, David is the wise one. I was thinking about that same comment while I was running today. I believe it too.

AC, I really hope that is part of it. I know a day or two makes a big difference for me if I am tired. I also taper off really fast and if I'm not careful I get out of shape just tapering. Always interesting.

JG, I totally agree about form. I am getting advice on this because I can't figure out how to fix my form by myself.

Smooth, you're right, there is always somebody on this blog who has really good information about whatever comes up. Hang in there with your renovation mess!

Mark, I really am due for a better marathon. If St. George is hot again I'll probably just slit my throat and get it over with.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.195.000.000.3010.49

77F, 71% and calm.  Didn't feel less humid but maybe it was.  I ran 5 LHR miles at 9:50 pace, then 5 at GMP:  7:41 (152), 7:42 (157), 7:38 (160), 7:36 (164) and 7:37 (168).  Then I jogged for a bit and sprinted in to the house (not sure how fast) because I am carb-loading today in preparation for Saturday's long run, kind of a dry run for St. George.  It didn't work too well for the Utah Valley Marathon, ended up with GI distress which was probably connected to that.  So I'm trying again with a different powder (Carbo Pro).  If this doesn't work I'll stick with pasta for the real deal.  Got to get 700 grams of carbs today, only about 200 for breakfast so a long way to go.  Overall 10.49 miles in 1:31:01, average pace 8:41 per mile.  Have a good day all y'all running types.

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From SlowJoe on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:09:54 from 132.3.53.68

That is a lot of carbs. Good luck, hope the new stuff works out for you -- would be nice to see you run a marathon to your current potential.

From I Just Run on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:19:51 from 67.79.11.242

Will you be able go up a couple of days before St George to get acclimated to the altitude?

From derhammer on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:23:31 from 192.156.110.39

Carbo Pro will work like a charm. Try to get up 3 hours prior and drink some more, but nothing 1-2 hours before the run or else you will get you insulin spiking and you don't want that.

From Rye on Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 18:14:08 from 75.174.18.241

Do you have a minor in exercise science?

From JG on Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:21:16 from 71.59.27.33

Flat, there is a chance that Boston will fill up today (Friday), have you registered yet?

From flatlander on Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:26:43 from 76.31.26.153

Joe, I know, felt slightly nauseous, but got it all down by the end of the day and ran well this morning.

IJR, nope, going up the day before. But my son tells me it does no good anyway unless you can stay for two weeks.

DH, thanks, I will do that. No GI issues this morning, so far so good. SGM will work well for a drink 3 hours ahead of time, because you have to get up about then to make the bus.

Rye, nope, just a nerd, plus I stayed in Holiday Inn last night.

JG, I got registered, so if there is space I am in. The first time I tried they told me I wasn't fast enough, then I realized it didn't open until 10 Eastern.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.080.000.000.0010.08

71F, 70%, E 8 mph.  I am not kidding, it felt chilly this morning before I got going.  But the results from the carb loading and slightly lower temperatures were significant.  I wasn't going to run at, so as to fully check out the carb-loading effects, then decided that was dumb, the race isn't tomorrow.  I started out about the same as usual for a LHR run, then sped up and kept my heart rate down.  Mile 8 was 9:29, and mile 10 was 9:43.  Almost no heart rate drift until the last half mile.  Overall I ran 10.08 miles in 1:37:42, 9:42 per mile, all LHR.  Very little sweat, the difference was really quite dramatic.  Interesting if it carries over to tomorrow.

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From JG on Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:50:55 from 71.59.27.33

I have a great excel pace calculator for St. George that calculates splits based on a weighted elevation factor, you put in your target finish time & it calculates all the splits for you. I can e-mail it to you if you would like, I found it very helpful.

From Kelli on Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:58:21 from 71.219.67.175

You are so technical in your running, it still confuses me. BUT, I am sure you understand it, you are a bit wiser. ;o)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.1519.000.000.0020.15

73F, 93%, ESE 3 mph.  Time to taper.  Ran my third hard 19-miler.  First one was 4 weeks ago, when I had to stop at 16 miles and got 8:22 overall, 163 average heart rate.  Temperature then was 80F/80%.  But it helped me set a goal of 19 at 8 flat, in two easy steps, on the theory that if I could get that pace in hot humid conditions I could do 20 or 30 seconds better if it is drier and cooler in St. George.  So two weeks ago was step 1, goal of 8:10 and I got 8:08, conditions were 77F/71%, 160 average heart rate, probably a little too easy.  After yesterday's run I was pretty sure I could hit 8:00 today and it worked out well.  I got 7:56 in high humidity conditions, average heart rate 162, so 26 seconds per mile better than 4 weeks ago at basically the same heart rate.  Temperature was a little lower than the other two runs but I think the higher humidity balanced it out.

Today was a dress rehearsal.  I did my carb-loading two days ago, using CarboPro as a nutritional supplement.  On the advice of the wise Derhammer, I got up at 2 a.m. and drank another 12 ounces of the stuff.  For a minute I thought I wouldn't be able to go back to sleep but the next thing I knew my 5 a.m. alarm went off and I was out the door at 5:30 with 7 solid hours of sleep under my belt.  I used EFS for the run, which I will do for St. George.  I switched from vanilla to wild berry, but frankly it wasn't much better.

Warmed up for 1.15 miles with the watch off, set down two water bottles and I was off for 6 laps of about 5K each.  My heart rate climbed quickly for the first 5 miles then held steady at 160 for the next 4 or 5.  Then it climbed quickly again and I was pretty much hanging on. I had nausea setting in from the heat the last quarter of the run.  I wouldn't have been able to finish a marathon at this speed, but I did average 7:50 for my last 6 miles, including 7:45 and 7:45 to finish it off.  Overall 19.0 miles in 2:30:51, average pace 7:56 per mile, maxHR 182.

Good luck to everybody running a real race today.

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From Stephen on Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 21:00:39 from 174.52.133.66

Nice dress rehearsal. I think you are in for the run of your life in two weeks.

From I Just Run on Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 22:27:40 from 166.205.14.141

This run is the confidence you need to know you can achieve your goal at SG. It's got to feel good...!

From seeaprilrun on Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 22:30:14 from 205.172.12.229

Great long run, sub-8 at that. Sounds like you will easily manage faster in cooler, dryer, air with some downhill.

From Mack on Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 01:39:29 from 50.39.193.169

Cant wait to read your st george report. You are going to feel so strong and fast in that dry cool air.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:53:50 from 75.109.104.60

Congrats on the great run in not-so-great Houston humidity. To quote Close Encounters of the Third Kind, "this means something!"

Have a nice taper.

From derhammer on Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:28:04 from 70.113.125.159

Nice job, Flat. I agree, the heat yesterday was not any fun, for sure. Looks like we will get some cool mornings again by the end of the week. Glad that the Carbo Pro worked out.

From JG on Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 15:51:25 from 71.59.27.33

Awesome long run Flat! Things look good for Boston too, slots remain so registration will reopen to all registrants, Monday ... I am not sure, but I think that means that all who already submitted will get approved as soon as times are confirmed.

I am excited to see how you do at St. George, looks very promising! :)

From Dan on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 18:42:55 from 24.209.83.20

Seriously good run and workout. You are looking good! I'm gonna have to try this carb load some day!

From flatlander on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:25:43 from 198.207.244.102

Stephen, I'll be running for my life all right.

IJR, it certainly feels good, but not counting on anything.

April, thanks, it will be interesting to see if St. George is faster than UVM.

Mack, that's what I keep telling myself.

SJ, I was actually glad the weather hadn't broken yet, so I could get an apples to apples cross check.

DH, definitely can't take that many carbs the day before the race, but a 2-day cushion seemed OK. I'm going to HEB to find some more high-glycemic regular food so I don't have to drink so much Carbo Pro. I think about 4 servings of Carbo Pro should be about right.

JG, I got in!

Dan, Thanks, I'm always looking for an angle, but this one seems pretty good.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.120.000.000.008.12

67F, 94% and raining.  Actually there was a bit of lightning as well, but I broke my rule and tiptoed around the neighborhood, with my neck bent at wierd angles watching the western horizon.  No close strikes so I kept going, justifying it on the basis that I was only running a little.  4.12 LHR miles at 10:03 per mile, definitely still feeling Saturday's run.  In the evening, propped up the back of my treadmill all the way to 4% and did 4 LHR downhill miles.  I haven't been doing much downhill except for backpacking and mountain climbing, which isn't nothing, but I need extra to get through SGM.  Also climbed stairs at work, which was easier than climbing King's Peak.  I should do this whenever I am coming back to the office, which is almost always at least twice a day, sometimes more.  Our firm occupies 9 floors, so that is a pretty good workout.

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From derhammer on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:51:09 from 192.156.110.34

I would have run in the rain, too, since it is such a rare event around here.

Wow - only 10 days to St. George!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.020.003.000.008.02

69F, 94%, heavy fog.  Love these new weather patterns.  Ran 4.02 in 31:19, average pace 7:48 per mile.  Warmed up 1 mile then did 3 tempo miles, 7:05, 6:51 and 6:54, which equates to a 21:30 5K pace.   There was a stray dog wandering around, large enough to cause problems.  He approached barking aggressively, but I tried to stay calm, stopped my watch and stood there until he came up.  He licked my hand and left, never saw the owner.  Maybe there is a lesson in there somewhere for us lawyers.  Never mind, not going there.  Hoping to get more TM miles tonight.

PM:  Got 4 downhill miles on TM

Comments
From SlowJoe on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:17:50 from 132.3.53.68

Nice tempo today. You never know what you're gonna get with loose dogs...

From seeaprilrun on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:47:04 from 68.103.248.97

Great speedy miles! I have learned my lesson about stopping running around dogs. I at least slow to a walk and try to stay cool. There was a time when I was using a lot of mace but that was right after I had been bitten by a dog on a run.

From I Just Run on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:49:54 from 67.79.11.242

The dog licked you....? Are you sure he knew you were a Lawyer...?

From Mack on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:06:57 from 50.39.193.169

I almost always carry pepper spray. Maybe I'm a little paranoid, but it makes me feel protected. Not only from dogs but some of the people I encounter as well...

From JG on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 15:01:59 from 71.59.27.33

Great run Flat! I am a loving dog owner ... but big stray dogs petrify me when no owner is around! I have been really lucky never to encounter one ... I will have to remember that advice, as I think my gut instinct would be to run like hack ... as if I could out run a big dog! lol

Glad he was friendly in the end, and a huge congrats on getting into Boston.

IJR & SJ ... I am planning on doing Boston in 2013 too and know you guys will be there ... keep up what you guys are doing!! Everyone's progress is so amazing and admirable on here!

From Rye on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 19:43:50 from 174.27.71.115

Okay, IJR I am still laughing. If that dog, and I love dogs, new that flat is a lawyer, not sure how much of Mark would be left. Better start carrying some spray!

From Dan on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 22:44:09 from 24.209.83.20

Nice job Flat, your training seems real crisp so close to your marathon, I honestly think that will translate well. Good thing you are not a mail man.

From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:51:44 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Rye,

I'm thinking about taking my comment off of Flat's blog. I may have hurt his feeling :-( but you know, I have lots of lawyer friends. I've got Flat and...uh..umm..uh..well there's Flat and I'm sure some otheres!

From flatlander on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:39:41 from 198.207.244.102

Sorry for the "no reply", guys. I am slammed at work, not sure when I am coming up for air. I'll catch up on all the lawyer jokes when I get back and mete out punishment accordingly. In the meantime, blog away.

From Rye on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 13:01:11 from 70.58.163.66

I don't know about the rest of you, I'm not buying into the work thing. He needs a couple of days of prep time for his rebuttal.

From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 13:05:45 from 67.79.11.242

Since this whole conversation started about a dog I thought this joke was appropriate:

A lawyer's dog, running about unleashed, b-lines for the local butcher shop and steals a roast off the counter. The butcher goes to the lawyer's office and asks, "if a dog, running unleashed, steals a piece of meat from my store, do I have a right to demand payment for the meat from the dog's owner?"

"Absolutely," the lawyer responded.

The butcher immediately shot back, "Good! You owe me $7.99 for the roast your dog stole from me this morning."

The lawyer, without a word, writes the butcher a check for $7.99. A few days later, the butcher, browsing through his mail, finds an envelope from the lawyer.

The contents reads "Consultation: $25.00."

From flatlander on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 13:24:25 from 198.207.244.102

Oh boy, here we go. My only comment is that is one cheap lawyer. You should hire him immediately.

From seeaprilrun on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 15:52:25 from 68.103.248.97

Geez flat I didn't know you where a lawyer. I'm not hatin' though, because my sister in Houston(whom you met) is a lawyer as well!

From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 16:12:16 from 67.79.11.242

See Flat, I knew I knew more lawyers...now I know April's sister...well kinda...I think that counts :-)

From JG on Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:45:41 from 71.59.27.33

A patient goes to see a surgeon about having a heart transplant. The surgeon says: "I'll give you a choice: you can either have the heart of 25-year-old marathon runner or a 60-year-old lawyer. Which do you want?"

The patient answers, "Easy - let me have the lawyer's."

The surgeon, dumbfounded, says, "Why would you pick the heart of a 60-year-old lawyer over a 25-year-old marathon runner?"

The patient replies, "I want one that's never been used."

From flatlander on Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 19:35:20 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks for the comic relief everybody. They came at a good time.

From I Just Run on Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 19:47:29 from 166.205.15.240

Hey Flat,

Sorry for the joking at your expense. You can come to my blog anytime and make jokes about an old, bald, smart alec and ill just take it. :-)

From Dan on Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 19:56:48 from 24.209.83.20

Wait... did I miss any jokes?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.000.000.000.004.00

No running this morning, work is suffocating me.  Got home late and forced myself to run 4 downhill TM miles, 8:00 pace.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
1.130.003.000.004.13

67F, 99%, WNW 1 mph, essentially calm.  Ran 1 mile warmup then 3 tempo:  7:21 (157), 7:09 (165) and 6:47 (171).  These are hard, it will be a while before I can run significant distances at these paces.

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From SlowJoe on Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 23:18:51 from 75.109.104.60

Hope work slows down for you. Way to keep some consistency despite it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.080.000.000.008.08

69F, 78%, NNW 3 mph.  The lower humidity made it feel much cooler than yesterday, but my legs are not in good shape.  Was too sore to do TM downhill miles last night.  My foot still hurts from the Kings Peak ankle sprain (I hope that's all it is), probably going to have to cut back the last week and lose a little conditioning to make it good enough to run St. George in a week.  Ran 8.08 miles at very low heart rate, average pace 10:11 per mile.  Wade and I are going to run a 5K in the morning.  I fully understand that that behavior is inconsistent with the rest of this blog entry.

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From Stephen on Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:44:11 from 204.182.3.236

Hopefully your ankle will be strong in 8 days and counting down. I'm still wheezing with my cough.

From Kelli on Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:53:32 from 71.219.67.175

OH, crud. I hope the ankle feels ok for next week!!! Everyone MUST feel good for St George, it is the BEST race.

Have fun with the 5k. Do not trip on anything. ;o)

Oh, and I am so glad to see your cooler weather.

From I Just Run on Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:40:27 from 67.79.11.242

Ha...ha... Don't we all sound a little "Heckle and Jeckle"ish on the blog sometimes? I think running does something weird to our brains :-)

From Steam8 on Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:49:23 from 166.70.55.77

I hope the ankle will just heal on its own! I wish I was going to be able to see you in St. George! Dang foot! I will watch to see your post. I am still debating on if I will go down to watch my nephew run it....it all depends on my husbands mood and if he can stomach more of my running talk and time that will take away from him. ha! If I can make it, you will hear me screaming for you! :)

From flatlander on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 13:34:31 from 76.31.26.153

Stephen, I'm thinking it will be OK. It bothered me once today then it went away. Hopefully the same for your cough.

Kelli, nothing between here at SGM at this point. Are the bloggers still partying on Saturday night?

Preston, we hang out with each other because everyone else thinks we are crazy.

Steam, if you are there just yell at me when I come in. I will be dressed exactly like my picture. But please excuse me if I have to barf before I come over and say hi.

From Kelli on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 19:53:55 from 71.219.67.175

Hmmm....if there is a party, I was not invited apparently.

Race: Run the Woodlands 5K (3.1 Miles) 00:20:54, Place overall: 7
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.730.003.100.008.83

70F to start, not sure of the humidity but it was 87% when I left the house.  Wade and I drove out to the Woodlands to run this one dollar race they hold twice a month.  They give the money away to various charities, since the sponsor running store absorbs all the overhead.  Wade and I decided we need to start giving more than one dollar.

We ran the course once to warm up, then everybody lined up just as one last guy was driving in to the parking lot.  The starter asked us if we wanted to wait and the vote was a very loud no.  We waited anyway.  My plan was to start out at 6:45 then see if I could go faster from there.  I got pretty close to that but still missed my PR by 7 seconds.  I figured no big deal, it was hotter today, but I looked it up and the last time I ran this race in May I got 20:52, 2 seconds faster than today -- and 10 degrees hotter back then, that was an 80F morning.   What the heck?!  I seem to have added zero speed this summer, really don't know what is wrong.  Wade and I were talking about it and we decided that the 3-mile warmup might be a little much, even at slow speed it probably takes some of the stamina out of us, especially when it is still a little warm.  But no matter how you slice it I am not getting faster right now.  Still having plenty of fun though, passed several pretty good runners about halfway through the race and none of them caught back up.

Splits were 6:52 (165), 6:48 (180), 6:39 (184) and 6:13 (185), maxHR 192, gun time 20:55, Garmin time 20:54, probably had a little too much left in the tank at the end.  I can tell because I didn't want to puke.  I got 7th place, same as last time.  Interestingly, the winning time was slower than last time, about 18 flat.  Even more interesting, 4th place was taken by a 60-year old woman who broke 20 minutes.  I saw her drive off in a Jeep Wrangler painted Desert Storm tan, maybe I should get one.  I love it how runners never bother to fit in.  Anyway, I can't blame my time on my age, which is a good feeling actually, there is still hope. 

Once more around the course to cool down.

Comments
From Rye on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 13:42:26 from 174.27.78.215

I still say Congrats! For what its worth, Jeff Shadley, who is in a league all to himself, warms up between a mile to 2 before he races. Still a good time! Maybe you need a small dog snapping at your ankle to break that barrier. You'll do great next weekend. Trust your training.

From Smooth on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 14:27:34 from 174.27.201.64

should've asked that 60 year old lady what she ate for breakfast and if she ran 3 mile warm up and how much over the dollar she paid and where she got that paint job on her Wrangler! :) :) :) LOL!!!

Love your report and GREAT race! Only 2 seconds slower than in May is pretty dang good!!!! CONGRATZ!!!! Very well done!!! :)

From Smooth on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 14:31:45 from 174.27.201.64

Oh, those are AWESOME splits, you got faster and faster and leaving something in the tank!!!! something is wrong with not wanting to puke in a 5 K.!!! that's why I stay away from 5....I don't want to puke and nor suffocate! :)

From SlowJoe on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 15:39:41 from 75.109.104.60

Nice running. Maybe a bit left in the tank based on your progression of splits. All I can say is don't give in to the circling buzzards! Improvements come in spurts so I do believe it's just a waiting game until you jump to the next level. Fall weather might help too, if you ever get it. Good race today.

From ACorn on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 16:19:09 from 24.2.76.146

Still a solid race. The speed will come.

From JG on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 18:28:43 from 71.59.27.33

Great progressive splits Flat! I do think the 3 mile warmup takes off 10 seconds, so consider it a PR with an asterisk! :) I love doing a 5k the weel before marathon, I think things are looking good for you. Nice job today, and nicer to step up the donation to a.good cause, methinks you will be rewarded at Mile 20 next week!

From seeaprilrun on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 21:36:12 from 205.172.12.229

I wouldn't put too much stock into the 2 seconds. You have been training some pretty high mileage as well--it's hard to race a 5k well when doing marathon training. I think you are still set for a marathon PR.

From Mack on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 22:40:29 from 50.39.193.169

Great race Flat. Enjoyed the report. I wonder what the world record in the 5k is for women 60-65. I could be wrong, but I'll bet she's close!

From Mack on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 22:48:20 from 50.39.193.169

Here is the answer to my question:

Bernadine Portenski Age 60 18:51.13 She is from Wellington NZ

From I Just Run on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 23:54:07 from 71.41.149.142

Good run Flat. I'm believing, since this was just a weekend fun run for you, that mentally you weren't really siked to really push your PR. Put up 20-30 dollars in a "real" race and I bet the outcome would be much different! Hello Mr. PR...!

From Burt on Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 01:06:12 from 72.223.91.148

Did you get that old lady's number for me?

From derhammer on Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 13:09:07 from 70.113.125.159

Nice race, Flat.

From Dan on Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 22:04:55 from 24.209.83.20

Nice race flat and nice report. I too think you are set up nice for your marathon. I 110% agree that it is nice that runners don't even bother trying to fit in!

From baldnspicy on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 16:23:09 from 72.77.67.247

Hey, I say it's still an awesome race! Way to go, Flat!

From allie on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 23:20:54 from 24.10.191.18

i agree that it is difficult to build speed on high mileage marathon training. i think you did great -- that's a solid time, and coming within 2 seconds is very consistent. way to go.

jeep woman...ha! she sounds awesome.

From Dave S on Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 09:24:20 from 4.228.192.27

Great job! That fast finish and still having something left in the tank looks like a good sign for St George Saturday.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.070.000.000.006.07

76F, 92%, SE 4 mph.  6.07 LHR miles in 1:01:51, average pace 10:11.  Nothing was working very well today.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2.133.000.000.005.13

74F, 86%, SW 5 mph.  Weather felt about the same, but ran a few MP miles, trying to keep from getting stale.  Tapers are hard to get right, but I think I might be tapering too much.  Started with 2 warmup miles then 3 at GMP:  7:46 (158), 7:18 (168) and 7:22 (174).  The second two were easier than the first, but in nowise could this be considered a true marathon pace, at least in these conditions.  If my heart beats like this on Saturday it will be a long day.

I did see an armadillo though.  It's the National Rodent of Texas.  It actually ran alongside for awhile, but it soon became apparent that I was the faster mammal.  It suddenly occurred to me that there might be domestication possibilities here.  Beats a one pound fu fu dog that can outrun me.

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From I Just Run on Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 16:55:48 from 67.79.11.242

An armadillo as a pet would be cool... But for some reason I'm thinking that a person with a pet armadillo would have a lot of tattoos. I'm not envisioning you that way :-)

From Rye on Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 00:21:15 from 75.174.14.230

A few years back, I had pneumonia and a marathon two weeks away. Didn't run one week at all and the second week I ran just once for 5 miles. I managed to run a fair marathon. I finished the last 10k in 42 minutes. I think I saved too much for the second half. Had plenty left in the tank. It's a guessing game.

IJR..... I have an armadillo and no tats...... Can't believe that you stereotyped me! By the way his name is Art.

From SlowJoe on Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:31:19 from 132.3.53.68

I have seen only a couple armadillos that were not already roadkill, impressive sighting!

Not sure how scientific the taper is, but my guess is you're doing it about right. Only a few days to the race!

From I Just Run on Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:33:26 from 67.79.11.242

Do you know how blind and dumb an armadillo is? I don't know how they every survive as a species.

From Kelli on Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 18:32:39 from 71.219.67.175

One pound, huh? That is a tiny dog!!!!

GOOD LUCK THIS WEEKEND! I hope I run in to you somewhere at some point...regardless, have fun!!! You will be prepared for the heat I fear we are going to have.

From Rye on Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 19:44:16 from 174.27.114.198

Have a great race this weekend!

From SlowJoe on Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:04:58 from 132.3.53.68

Good luck tomorrow - this is the one!

From I Just Run on Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:12:50 from 67.79.11.242

Whoo...Hoo Do Good Tomorrow...! I'm excited to hear the results!

From Steam8 on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 10:31:47 from 166.70.55.77

Waiting to see how you do today! I wish I was running St. George with ya'll! :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.000.000.000.000.00

Up all night working, no running today.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
3.250.000.000.003.25

Spokane, Washington, 3.25 miles in my sister's neighborhood, about a 9-minute pace.  Finished with sprints up a hill then began carb loading.  Saw some geese in formation, fall has arrived up north.

Race: St. George Marathon (26.2 Miles) 03:30:35, Place overall: 792, Place in age division: 25
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0026.200.000.0026.20

57F at start, 81F at finish (low humidity and 7 mph wind from the west).  I almost gave up today because of the heat.  I seriously considered running it as a training run, but I'm glad I didn't.  I got a 9-minute PR but don't know how I placed in my age group or overall.  All I know, from a paper posting at the finish line, is that it took about 3:15 to place in the top 10 in the 55-59 group.  Totally amazes me how many fast runners enter this race.  Other than professional elites, this race has some of the fastest runners around.  For my own humble effort, after carefully considering the coming heat, I decided to shoot for a 3:30 finish (close to an 8 minute flat pace), which turned out to be about right.

My brother and I stayed at a hotel that had its own shuttle, so we walked to the office at 5:00 and got on.  This happy situation was worth almost two extra hours of sleep, I got 6 hours overall, which was badly needed due to some very busy work and travel this week.  I got up at 4:00, did my doo-ty, ate a bagel (no orange juice, big mistake last race) and got on the bus.  At the start line we went through the PoP lines twice, finishing the second time just at the gun.  I crowded in at what looked like the right spot and we were off.

Splits are as follows (as usual, no HR information until about mile 4):

1.  8:28 -- very crowded at the start, nothing to do but wait it out, but the spot I had was about right so I didn't lose much time.  In fact, this is probably the pace I would have picked to warm up up anyway.

2.  8:05 -- starting to thin out a little.  I felt good and was taking advantage of the early downhill.

3.  7:31 -- taking a little too much advantage.  Don't cheat this course or you will pay.  Took a drink at the end of the split.  I walked through every aid station that I didn't bypass and I never noticed much of an effect on my overall splits for a particular mile.  My strategy on aid stations was to walk at every other one and take a big drink.  I stopped more often in the last 10K, and at Veyo I stopped at both mile 7 and mile 9.

4.  7:44 (161) -- heart rate a little higher than I wanted.  This was the story all day, but I decided to stick with my plan.  I relaxed whenever I could and still maintain my pace, but I didn't worry too much if it went high.  Felt like I needed to make one more potty stop, but from UVM experience I knew it was best to wait until later in the race when facilities are more available.  Today it turned out to be a non-issue, never had to stop.  I heard they were encouraging (ordering?) runners of both genders to stay out of the bushes.  Apparently the tarantulas are mating.  I missed doing my part for reducing the local population when I narrowly missed stepping on one in the middle of the road.  Unfortunately, though, I was unable to contribute to the no bushes decision, and it was widely ignored anyway, at least by the male side of things.

5.  8:04 (160) -- a little bit of uphill here but no worries.  Heart rate seems under control.  Took my first swig of EFS.  Yuck, that stuff has got to go.

6.  7:45 (160) -- Nice downhill for a couple of miles here.  Still feeling so good that I toyed briefly with reducing my goal to a 7:45 pace, but had the good sense to stick with my plan.  Experience is a wonderful thing.

7.  7:43 (159) -- Last of the early downhill.  Veyo looming large in the foreground.

8.  9:00 (164) -- At least I kept my heart rate in range, but this one stunk.  This long hill to the half mark was where my heart rate got away from me.

9.  8:37 (165) -- More uphill.  Veyo ends but the course keeps going up at a more moderate grade.

10.  8:19 (164) -- I decided to push the pace some even though it was uphill.  Started to get the timing back down.

11.  8:26 (168) -- A steeper uphill, just kept trudging up the hill, I knew it would end soon.  Really helpful to have run this course once before.

12.  8:08 (167) -- Finally leveling out a little, but by now my overall pace was 8:07 or so.  3:30 wasn't looking too good, even though I knew there was a reason for the slower times.  Would have been nice if my heart rate was under 165.

13.  7:58 (165) -- Forgot to look, but extrapolating to the split for the half, looks like it came in right at 1:47 (3:34 pace), but the uphill was over other than a couple of minor hills. 

14.  7:51 (168) -- I had been pushing the pace since about mile 11 and from this point until late in the race I was able to take advantage of the downhill, ignore the pain and get some good splits..

15.  7:29 (168) -- Best split since early on, I think this is where the 6% downhill grade was, according to the yellow sign.

16.  7:10 (166) -- More steep downhill.  I knew it would cost me after the race, maybe before, but I kept going hard.  Missed a mister somewhere in here, you had to pick between misting or tangents.  I did the right thing.

17.  7:28 (173) -- Leveled out some but I kept the gas pedal down.  Paid for it with a high heart rate.  I was starting to realize that I wouldn't be able to maintain this pace until the end, but got the overall pace down to about 7:57 somewhere around here.

18.  7:34 (171) -- ditto, not too many fast splits after this one.

19.  8:12 (175) -- Last significant hill, I think.  Heart was protesting but kept beating.  The carnage on the road was starting to get pretty bad, even though the runners I was running with were all good runners.  From this point on I was battling the heat, but felt fortunate to be within a long 10K of the end, it seemed almost doable.

20.  7:50 (165) -- Last remaining steep downhill if my memory is correct.

21.  7:35 (165) -- Finishing up the downhill.  By now I am counting down the miles.  I am starting to calculate whether I can keep the pace up or whether I will have to give up on the 3:30.  After each mile I added not only the .22 but my Garmin overage (about .09) to calculate how much time I had. 

22.  8:27 (162) -- Decided to slow down so I could finish.  This probably cost me the 3:30 but I was happy that a slowdown didn't amount to any more than this.  I concentrated, tried not to think too far ahead.  Someone was wearing a t-shirt that quoted the Apostle Paul, saying to run the race patiently.  I found it inspiring and it kept me going.  No need to run too fast.

23.  8:14 (168) -- Got a little bit of focus back.  Hurting though, really hurting by now.  My stomach was starting to protest and I wondered if I would throw up.  By now I was stopping at all water stations and pouring as many cups on my head as they would give me.

24.  7:49 (169) -- I was very encouraged by this split, but I couldn't do the math well enough to see if I was on pace.  (See mile 21)

25.  8:21 (172) -- Not too bad, but I am heart-rate constrained at this point.  I remember many of these twists and turns from 2009, and I was glad I could keep going, even though it hurt.  The result today was quite different.  My pace wasn't very even at this point though.  I would speed up, get queasy, slow down, and repeat.

26.  8:22 (173) -- Almost done, but I remembered how long the finishing chute is.  Don't know if they changed it but when I turned the corner it didn't seem too bad.  I knew I was going to miss 3:30 by a little but I didn't care too much

26.2  8:10 (178) -- No finishing kick today, but the heart rate indicates I was working hard enough.  When I stopped I must have looked pretty bad.  Some extremely kind volunteers walked me through the mister, but took my word for it when I told them I would be OK.  I wasn't really but I knew there were a lot of other runners worse off than me.  I think it was funny that the map of the runners area shows the finish line sequence as timing mat, misters, medals and ambulance.  I made my way over to the fence inside the runners area and emptied my stomach.  Volume-wise it equated to about the last 3 water stops, meaning I probably didn't need to stop during the last few miles other than to pour water on my head.  Nobody even noticed my little moment.

I stumbled around, not feeling like eating anything, but I forced myself to eat part of a popsicle.  When I finally gained a little bit of lucidity I found my drop bag with the cell phone in it, looked up the temperature on the blackberry and sat down to put on my compression socks.  Took about 45 minutes between cramping and phone calls.  Was talking to my sister when a particularly bad one hit, I'm afraid I screamed in her ear.

I ran the very best race I could have run today.  The fatigue in the last 10K was deep and thorough, it is possible this one will be a lifetime PR for me.  I can feel the years creeping in.  If that turns out to be true I will have to decide what shape my running will take going forward, not sure I would want to keep running at this intensity if I am not improving.

As for the heat, I think the effect on runners is exponential depending on their capabilities.  Although I haven't seen any finishing times, I am guessing the fastest times aren't too far off historical averages.  I think it affects the elites the least because they are out there the shortest length of time, the temperature really hasn't climbed much by 9:15, at least not to dangerous levels -- plus the elites are the best atheletes of course and I think that superior conditions contributes to one's ability to withstand heat stress.  But the 4-hour runners I know seem to have bad days.  I was kind of on the cusp because I didn't have to deal with significant heat until the last 10K, which was almost manageable.  The second thing is that I was able to run today with an average heart rate of 168, which is 87% of my maxHR -- this is a new data point to think about and digest.  It is probably the statistic I am happiest about.

Although I had hoped to do better, I was happy to be able to manage today's circumstances and improve my time.  Congratulations to all who ran today in these difficult conditions, in particular the ones further back in the pack who had to deal with very high temperatures just as they reached their extremeties.

If it isn't too rude, I would like to add a personal note about this week.  I attended my uncle's funeral on Thursday in Spokane, Washington.  He lived a long and full life but was ready to exit it, by his own declaration.  The stake president (for Mormons, a stake is a broad general area comprised of several congregations, somewhat analagous to a Catholic diocese) spoke at the funeral.  He said that at funerals we tend to gloss over the failings of the deceased and emphasize the good, which is entirely appropriate.  But in this case there was no need -- with the possible exception of an incident involving a family of raccoons, a backyard tree and a 2x4 board, there was nothing to omit from my uncle's obituary.  His two younger brothers, one of whom is my father, were also in attendance.  It occurred to me that this trio of men are the finest I have known, I am honored to be a part of their family.

Sorry for the "marathon" race report.

Comments
From Andrea on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 18:56:18 from 67.177.21.60

Great race report! Sounds like you had good race, despite the warm temperatures. Congrats!

From allie on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 19:01:40 from 24.10.191.18

way to go, flat. congratulations on the big PR, especially in those tough conditions. it looks like you paced yourself very well throughout the race and ran strongly all the way to the end. i'm super impressed by that mile 24 split! that's arguably the TOUGHEST mile of any marathon and you breezed right through it.

condolences to you and your family on the death of your uncle. sounds like it's been quite a week for you. rest and recover well this weekend, and enjoy that awesome PR.

From Russ on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 19:20:06 from 74.211.29.224

Great race! You pulled it out on a hot day - way to be.

From Burt on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 19:36:03 from 72.223.91.148

I tried not to laugh when I read doo-ty. But I failed. Great job on the race. Too bad you didn't step on that horny tarantula.

From Dan on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 20:30:53 from 24.209.83.20

Way to go flat, congrats! Your training really paid off- take time, celebrate and soak in the PR :)

From SlowJoe on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 21:44:06 from 75.109.104.60

Big congrats, this has to feel great (mentally...physically it must feel terrible!) 9 minute PR at altitude where you've struggled in the past, a tough finish in the heat - and you still came away with a big negative split. Lifetime PR my ass...keep running! Great job!

From derhammer on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 22:54:29 from 70.113.125.159

Flat, first off, my condolences on your loss.

Second, way to fight through the heat on your way to a PR! You definitely put in the work.

From Steam8 on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 23:04:06 from 166.70.55.77

I loved your race report! Congrats on your PR!! YAY! I just noticed that your first marathon was 5:51....what an accomplishment for you to run a 3:30. I am hoping to run a 3:30 someday! I heard it was hot down there today!

I am sorry to hear about your uncle. You are lucky you were able to attend and spend some time with your family. I was thinking today how wonderful family is and what a wonderful gift they are to us down here!

From Rye on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 23:13:40 from 174.27.117.251

Great report. Big pat on the back for your pr! Don't sale yourself short. Keep going! You never know what you can accomplish.

Funerals are great to reflect on. There is still some awesome people in this crazy world. Sounds like you have a great family. Enjoy your success....... All of if!

From Swin on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 23:17:52 from 71.32.234.41

Thanks for the great report. You captured a lot of my thoughts about today's race. Several years ago I swore I'd never run another marathon, but keep coming back for more. You're good at it and I think you'll do the same despite the temporary pain. Good luck!

From rAtTLeTrAp on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 23:18:09 from 174.253.212.98

Is it bad that I LOL'd about the 2X4 and the raccoons like Burt did about doo-ty? Congrats on a monster PR! Very impressive race.

From jtshad on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 23:21:18 from 74.211.5.19

Congrats on the PR!

BTW,it was 67 degrees at the start, the hottest starting temp ever for the race!

From MarkP on Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 00:35:21 from 97.117.127.158

Congratulations on the PR in tough conditions. Not too many races out there where your can "run with the tarantulas."

Sorry about your Uncle and it was cool you were thinking about him and your family during the race.

From seeaprilrun on Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 00:54:40 from 199.36.244.11

You ran SMART! Great job, way to get that PR in the heat--it WAS hot at the end, once the sun started beating down. You post-race activity of stumbling around sound similar to mine. Great job. Sorry to hear about your Uncle--glad you have great stories to remember him by.

From RAD on Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 01:16:16 from 74.120.32.192

What a wonderful race! It was such a crazy day, there are few success stories out there, but you certainly have one. You ran a great race very smart! Nice job hitting your goal and achieving a mark to be proud of.

Condolences to you on your Uncle, what a difficult week to push through!

From flatlander on Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 18:18:56 from 75.220.242.19

Thanks for the encouragement, everyone, it really helps me continue my training. I am recovering today, planning my next race, and have already forgotten about the age thing.

RT, it's OK to laugh, we did.

From ACorn on Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 18:34:31 from 24.2.76.146

Solid PR, I think you've got another one in you. That first mile clutter needs to be remedied somehow.

Congrats!

From Claudio on Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 18:36:53 from 96.234.244.9

Great race and report sir, congratulations on a job well done!

From Kelli on Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 23:46:40 from 71.219.83.151

Sorry to hear about your uncle, it sounds like he was an exceptional man. I am afraid much would have to be left out of my obituary, that is something to think about!

GREAT RACE! You gutted through the end and had a great PR! There were not a lot of those from what I see. I do not know if you saw the paper this morning in St George, but the men's times were quite slow compared to the past. Womens were not, however. They did discuss the heat quite a bit, but it was nothing compared to last year so it could have been worse!

Rest up!!!

From Kelli on Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 23:46:54 from 71.219.83.151

OH, and DANG, we did not meet again. ;o(

From I Just Run on Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 10:00:45 from 67.79.11.242

Hey Flat,

Sounds like your Uncle left a great legacy...and an impression on many. Cherish the memories of him; it's great to hear about honorable men!

Great race report...Congratulations on the BIG PR...!!! I'm not buying the quitting thing; you've made too much progress (even in the short time I've known you). I felt like I was right there running with you as I read your report but I was thinking "I need to slow down!" but you wouldn't let me :-) Hopefully next year I might actually be running it with you. Congratulations again...now get some good rest the next few days!

From Dave S on Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 10:56:37 from 4.254.223.108

Great job! Congrats on that huge PR! Way to tough it out on that last 10K. I talked to several people that were running great times but were reduced to 10 min miles or walking during those last few miles. Sounds like you paced yourself very well. With an improvement that large in your PR it's hard to see anything other than more PRs to come.

From JG on Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 11:35:48 from 71.59.27.33

Fantastic race & report Flat! St. George is fast, but especially with the heat this year, that is an extremely grueling course! You did awesome to stay strong to the finish ... they have great volunteers at the end, I was reminded of the guy that carried me over to the misters last year, because I did not have the strength left to stand on my own two feet ... and it was hotter this year than last! I think in better St. George weather conditions you could nail a 3:25 or better, bvut a 3:30 is totally awesome! Well done & my condolences on the family loss!

From SonofaFlatlander on Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 10:44:32 from 192.68.30.2

Stop enjoying your PR and providing for your family! Time to get back at it!

btw, are you still doing Richmond? Hear the temps are mighty nice this time of year...

From Smooth on Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 00:16:03 from 174.27.208.222

Finally got to commenting on your race. Nice report. VERY impressive pacing. You ran this intelligently. CONGRATS on the PR!!! That is an AWESOME finish time! WAY to tough out the elements and got a strong speedy mile 24 split. Very happy for you. I enjoy your tribute to your uncle! :)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
4.140.000.000.004.14

55F, 94% and calm.  Too bad I am in recovery mode, pretty superior weather this morning and it won't last.  Ran 4.14 in 40:45, average pace 9:51, LHR.  I feel fine, but my legs are definitely in recovery mode, it was difficult to maintain a 10-minute average and keep my heart rate down.  I am going to pace Wade in a big 10-mile race this Saturday.  It might be difficult to keep up, he ran the last half of a long run at 7:50 pace on Saturday.  He has started running every day and thrives in the cooler temperatures.  Just another Wyoming guy.

Some post-marathon thoughts:

1.  I ran 19 miles at 7:56 per mile two weeks before the marathon, under more difficult conditions (73F, 93%) than the marathon (67F to 81F, low humidity), 8:02 per mile.  I can only conclude that for a sea-level runner, going to altitude creates enough extra stress on body systems to more than compensate for the significant net downhill.

2.  I understand that there are statistics showing SGM is 5 minutes faster than a flat sea-level marathon, i.e., it is an "aided" course.  I think they are probably pretty good statistics.  But I also believe that a sea-level runner going to altitude gives up a lot, more than an altitude runner gains by going to sea level.  Having now run 3 non-disaster marathons at altitude and 4 at sea level (in addition to 1 disaster marathon at altitude and 2 at sea level), I think my own experience bears that theory out.

3.  Can't say enough about the organization and friendliness of the SGM volunteers.  The folks who helped me at the finish line were angels, and very competent ones at that.  I will always remember their kindness.

4.  No more whining about being old.  Sorry about that.  I am now mentally refreshed and ready to keep chasing my 7:30/min GMP.

5.  Wish I had taken out that tarantula.

Comments
From Rye on Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 21:48:06 from 174.27.109.71

Flat.... interesting observations... I believe that they all could be answered by living out here in the good old west! In particular, Idaho. All except #4.. We whine with the best of them.

From I Just Run on Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 22:15:21 from 71.41.149.142

Hey Flat,

It's good to see you're back. The Blog just isn't the same without you :-) Glad you're recovering well and have put those negative thoughts behind you.

About that trantula, I had a pet one for about three years. He died about six months ago and I got another one. He only lived about a month. Now I'm looking for my third one. They make great pets. Oh, and if you talk to Joe tell him you'll never have a $600 vet bill on a trantula!

From JG on Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 22:55:40 from 71.59.27.33

Nice shake out run Flat. Interesting observations, I think both downhill & elevation affect different runners differently. I seem to gain a lot of speed at a similar effort with downhill, and although I don't live at elevation either, I did not seem to notice it the 2 times I did St.George. St. george is a great race, most find it fast while others struggle with all that downhill ... either way, it is an exhilarating race, and I hope to get back to do it soon!

From flatlander on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 13:05:45 from 198.207.244.102

Rye, Idaho is the best, can't disagree with that.

IJR, shoulda known! Can't say anything without stepping on somebody. Now that I know you are a tarantula lover I'll be more circumspect. But he was running across the road in front of hundreds of runners like he owned the place. I'm betting he didn't make it.

JG, thanks, couldn't agree more about St. George. I have yet to run it in great shape and great temperatures, so maybe with that combination the course at least wouldn't be slower.

From I Just Run on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 15:29:34 from 67.79.11.242

I bet that trantula family lived there way before the road was built :-) So yes he probably does own the road. I'll have to get with a good lawyer to straighten this out!

From seeaprilrun on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 22:25:19 from 205.172.12.229

Interesting theories on altitude vs sea level vs downhill etc.. This is the only marathon I've done at altitude coming from sea level, and I don't believe I noticed the altitude, or it didn't seem to affect me much. However, my aerospace engineer friend says that heat training is really quite equivalent to altitude in some ways, so maybe this nasty hot summer helped me out. I'm still not sure! I need more experience I guess on different courses!

From flatlander on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 22:26:50 from 198.207.244.102

Yep, your run for the ages is ruining my theory.

From SlowJoe on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 22:44:30 from 75.109.104.60

I think we can all agree that April is just a freak of nature, or some kind of super-human runner-bot. Thus your theory is intact.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.110.000.000.006.11

65F, 93%, E 3 mph.  Warming up, probably be 70F by the weekend, but we are on the tail end of this stuff.  I had to get done by 5:50 in order to get the seminary run started on time, so I ran faster, 8:44 average pace, HR 145-150, last split 8:13.  Overall 6.11 miles in 53:20.  8 tomorrow and 10 on Saturday, but traveling next week so I don't know how fast I can ramp up.  Thinking of doing Richmond again this year, just to test out my low altitude theory, ya know?

Comments
From Burt on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 13:33:49 from 68.14.209.26

That sounds like a great reason to run a marathon. To test a theory. Yep.

From I Just Run on Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 15:27:58 from 67.79.11.242

As always you're bouncing back quickly...you really didn't say something about age the other day...did you :-)

From flatlander on Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 08:26:59 from 76.31.26.153

Burt, guilty as charged. I'm a nerd.

Preston, nah.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
8.110.000.000.008.11

75F, 93%, E 7 mph.  Got up very early to get my run in before taking kids to seminary.  Ran 8.11 LHR miles in 1:22:15, 10:09 per mile.  Legs seem to be recovering OK, but still quite weak, like I am in the middle of a training cycle. 

Met my armadillo friend again at mile 5.1.  Suddenly he was running alongside and he stuck with me for a pretty good stretch.  Checked him on the Garmin, 9:45 pace, I think he was 10 flat the last time we met, so he has been getting out.  I'm thinking of entering him in the next pet race, but see that's the thing:  we are just friends, nobody has brought up the P word yet.

Comments
From Dan on Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 09:32:15 from 24.209.83.20

1) Stop taking the kids to the cemetery. 2) Armadillo racing is pretty big, but yours actually trains on his own. That's a keeper.

3) I don't know any P words

From I Just Run on Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 11:04:26 from 67.79.11.242

Glad to see you're sharing the road with your four legged friends...not hogging it with your eight legged friends!

From Rye on Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 20:25:57 from 174.27.114.143

Way to get out the kinks! I must say that you must have been deprived as a child and don't know the benefits of pet ownership. Then again maybe you have me on that one. Your friend runs with you, but you don't have to feed him (or she.....find out for me on that one) no baths or brushings. No wonder you are a lawyer.

From Kelli on Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 21:12:30 from 71.219.83.151

OH, you have made me smile!!! THANKS!!! Good news on the armadillo getting speedier. Guess I need to take my pet out and see if she is getting faster. ;o)

Loved the post race thoughts. I would like to run a sea level course and see what it feels like. What is Boston?

When you are old, you can whine about being old. HA! I am only saying that so I can do the same.

There was something else.....OH, tarantula!!! I am so glad I did not see one. Did you hear them say at the beginning to not "go" in the bushes as it upsets the mating tarantulas? Someone told me they announced that.

From flatlander on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 15:35:58 from 76.31.26.153

Dan, funny thing, the race I ran with Wade this morning, "10 for Texas" had an armadillo on the logo. Looked just like mine, but I'm not absolutely sure.

IJR, he never asked if he could share, but I didn't press it.

Rye, the no brushing part is a big plus I think. I have no input on the gender, so it's just a "him".

Kelli, thanks. Yes, Boston is sea-level, close enough that it doesn't make a difference anyway. It has some pretty respectable hills right at the bonk point, but they wouldn't bother you in the least. I didn't hear the tarantula announcement, but I did see some correspondence from the race director to that effect.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.540.000.000.0010.54

71F, 93% E 7 mph.  I paced Wade at the 10 for Texas race in The Woodlands this morning.  It was a big race, over 2500 runners, they actually sold out, which doesn't usually happen around here except for the bigger marathons.  Wade had some good days in the cooler weather earlier in the week, but he had ratcheted his expectations down to 8:15 pace because of the return to summer temperatures.  Probably 75F by the time the race started and close to 80F by the finish.  (Something about that finishing temperature seems vaguely familiar.)  I picked up Wade and Linda, another friend, at his house at 5:30 and we drove out there, arriving way too early, the race didn't start until 7:30.  So we toured the PoP, which had lights, running water, Kleenex box and dried flower arrangements.  Only in Texas.

Linda had a friend, Annette, who had registered then couldn't race.  The race was full when I tried to register, so I took Annette's number.  I took the tag off the bib, not wanting to be a Boy Named Sue. 

We ran 0.47 warmup, then met up with a bunch of people from CypressFit, our running club, they were out in force.  The organizers made a major effort to get people lined up according to goal paces, so even though the early stages of the race were on pretty narrow roads the first-mile jostling issues were minimized.  Our first mile came in at 7:54.  After that it got progressively slower until by mile 5 our overall average crept over 8, and we finished at 8:11 per mile (1:22:24 for 10.07 miles), which was fine for today.  Wade's slowest mile was mile 8, 8:29, but he dug deeper and got 8:19 and 8:12 for the last two, so he finished strong in the heat.  If he had made his original 8 flat goal I might not have been able to keep up on my recovering legs.  Afterwards we hung around for some good food and conversation. 

5:40 per mile won it.  8:13 per mile won Annette's age group, so it was a good decision to take the tag off.

Happy weekend all.

 

Comments
From SlowJoe on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 15:16:35 from 64.217.180.63

Way to help out a friend. Not bad for a week out from St George. Not sure what the deal is with the unseasonable warmth right now, bad deal.

From ACorn on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 17:17:32 from 24.2.76.146

Sounds like a great event! Nice job pacing.

From Steam8 on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 17:42:15 from 166.70.55.77

I can't believe you paced someone one week after a marathon! WOW! I am usually still having a hard time walking!

I love the Woodlands! It is so beautiful up there. Is that where you live? We used to live by the Astrodome..haha!

From Dan on Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 22:07:26 from 24.209.83.20

Goooooooooo Armadillos!

From I Just Run on Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 18:06:26 from 166.137.137.110

Tell Wade congradulations on a good race. Those conditions are tough!

Good run for you too..after such a short recovery.

From flatlander on Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:27:31 from 76.31.26.153

Joe, seems to be gradually cooling off, just doesn't happen in a straight line like I expect. Checking your race report in a minute.

ACorn, thanks, it was the first time I have done something like that. I found it completely stress-free, and it was well-timed from a training standpoint.

Steam, I live in Cypress, almost to Tomball, too many trees in The Woodlands for a desert rat like me. I never got the full story -- what brought you to Houston and why did you leave so soon?

Dan, it was the race logo, believe it or not.

IJR, I will, thanks.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
7.023.100.000.0010.12

67F, 98%, NW 4 mph.  Slightly cooler but very humid.  We got our best rain of the year yesterday, rained most of the day, but the aftermath is very heavy air that has rain in it even though there are no clouds.  This is the only place I have seen it.

Felt pretty good this morning.  Since I am almost ready to pull the trigger on a followup marathon in Richmond, I thought I would go ahead and start on my next training cycle, but ease into it.  Started out with 5 LHR at a 10:08 pace, really not as good as I would expect.  Then ran 5 x 1K, 7:17 (160), 7:34 (161), 7:07 (165), 7:05 (168), 7:08 (172), recovery by finishing out the mile, maxHR 179.  These were easier than I expected, perceived effort for splits 3, 4 and 5 was about the same as for split #2.  I really need to start running these faster and do more of them.  Probably 7 or 8 at 6:50 pace would be about right if I can sustain it through the cycle.

I tried to put my foot down right under my body and push off, and get good leverage with my arms.  I think that helped some.  Need to really crank it up on maintaining good form, it's more a mental thing.

Overall 10.12 miles in 1:32:40, average pace 9:09 per mile.  I have some travel to Asia later in the week, so it is going to be yet another low-mileage week.

Comments
From PRE on Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 22:21:59 from 99.50.214.225

Flatlander,

Hi. Regarding your St. George Marathon: Congratulations on the Marathon PR!!! A 3:30!

I was concerned when I saw a 7:31 split at mile 3. Then I remembered you PRd…but I felt like I was in the race with you the way you wrote about it! Great report.

You managed the uphills well. And you managed the downhills well.

A 7:29 mile 15. 7:10 mile 16. 7:28 mile 17. and 7:34 mile 18!!! Great splits.

You reported getting the overall pace to 7:57 at mile 17. Incredible is that you pretty much kept it at right around there ending the Marathon with probably 8:01 pace overall!!! Not many people can say they lost less than two minutes off their pace in the final 9.22 miles of a Marathon! That is good pacing.

The decision to slow down at mile 22 perhaps did not cost you the 3:30…but rather got you the 3:30!

From Stephen on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:34:05 from 204.182.3.236

For normal folks (i.e. those who believe in Hal Higdon), the second week after a marathon should be about like the second to last week before the marathon. So, it may be a good thing that you won't be running too many miles this week.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:08:45 from 132.3.53.68

Dang, I think Richmond will make it 3 marathons for you since I ran my last. You are a machine!

Nice 1000s yesterday.

From Rye on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 19:07:53 from 75.174.3.10

A well oiled machine! Asia? Man, you see a lot of the world! Nice run today.

From flatlander on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 19:40:28 from 198.207.244.102

PRE, thanks, some good observations there.

Stephen, Higdon was a good runner. He is the first guy I read and I think a lot of his stuff is still useful to me.

Joe, quantity doesn't count, it's just the way my calendar works. Richmond or not, no other marathons before Boston.

Rye, thanks; as for traveling, believe me, home is better.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.730.004.350.0010.08

66F, 94%, NNW 2 mph.  About the same as yesterday, but ran harder today.  Warmed up 3 at 10:00 per mile, LHR.  Then 7 x 1000 at tempo pace:  7:13 (158), 7:05 (163), 6:52 (166), 6:55 (171), 6:58 (173), 6:44 (175) and 6:56 (176), average 6:58 pace.  Sub-7s are getting toward my limit, not really comfortable at those speeds.  The goal is to be able to do these consistently at 6:50, so today was a step in the right direction but not there yet -- today's run is currently not repeatable except once or twice a week.  Total 10.08 miles in 1:25:55, average overall 8:32 per mile, maxHR 181. 

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From SonofaFlatlander on Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 06:34:14 from 139.52.7.124

As Kate says, "my grandpa is the fastest of all the grandpas." Nice speed work, gramps.

From allie on Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 21:19:18 from 24.10.191.18

check out all those sub-7s! strong workout. nice job.

From Steam8 on Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 18:13:06 from 166.70.55.77

Yep, going strong! Nice work!

From Rye on Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 22:11:51 from 174.27.76.167

Great run flat! Pretty darn close to that 6:50 mark.

From flatlander on Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 08:46:17 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks all, sorry I'm so late responding to your kind comments. My schedule has been out of control lately.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.070.000.000.0010.07

Indoors. Ran 10.07 on the treadmill at the hotel in Beijing on Friday night local time. This week has been stupid busy, and it takes a full day to fly here, so this is the only running I have been able to manage. Was hoping to get out this morning (Saturday morning) because it is a rare clear-air day here and there is a river only one block from the hotel with a running path on it. Temps are cool and dry as well. No such luck, up all night working because U..S. was still doing their Friday thing. I was lucky to get in the run that I did, finished up about midnight.

So last March when I ran a half marathon in Beaumont I met a guy who was my nephew's father-in-law (still is, in fact). He is almost the same age as me and almost beat me. That same nephew sent a link to both of us yesterday about a 31-year old runner in England who hopped a bus for the last 10K of a marathon and snatched third place before his dark deed was discovered. I had wanted to initiate a dialogue with this Mike guy, so I replied back to him that I thought that was an awful thing for a young guy to do, but it was probably OK for guys our age and since he is local, do they have buses along the half marathon route in Beaumont? He was not amused. He wrote back, "They do not operate along the course during the race. I wouldn't dream of taking a bus. Only cheaters and quiters do that. I would rather be slow but do my thing the best I can than hop on a bus. Why waste the time to train, the cost to enter if you are going to cheat? Hope your running is going well Mark."

Oops.

I asked my wife about it and she said the report through the back channels is that he is used to winning the geezer division and didn't take kindly to me coming in from out of town and edging him out, especially since I am a semi-relative. Apparently his family has been giving him a hard time about it. I wanted to go back and do this race next year as a tune-up for Boston, but I am looking for alternatives now, this is not good and I want none of it. Besides, he would probably tell the bus driver to not let me on, or at least charge me extra.

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From Russ on Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 00:42:39 from 24.72.198.228

Don't know if I'm supposed to be laughing or not, but I am! That's really funny that he would castigate you in reply to an obvious facetious e-mail. Someone needs to take a chill pill. I'd still run the race. Maybe in costume (and still beat him).

From derhammer on Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:48:19 from 70.113.125.159

wow - 10 miles on the TM - that's commitment. How long of a drive is Beaumont from Houston? I need to travel there next week.

From Stephen on Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:18:02 from 174.52.133.66

You ran the same distance as me today, but it sounds like mine was more interesting (speaking of the run and not the emails).

From Dan on Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 20:41:55 from 24.209.83.20

So you are saying you would rather drive the bus. Got it. Hey safe travels and try and take it easy despite being so busy.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:57:27 from 75.109.104.60

Geez, I thought you were a stand up guy Mark, but the bus...? I'm not sure I want to associate with you anymore!

But seriously, if anything, go back to Beaumont and kick his butt again.

Safe travels.

From Rye on Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 17:00:25 from 174.27.76.167

I think that he just gave you a reason to run Beaumont again. Sounds like he is compensating for something????

From flatlander on Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 08:50:15 from 76.31.26.153

Russ, there's an idea. I'll pretend like it's a Halloween race in March! At least everybody will know I was out on the course for the whole race.

DH, Beaumont is a couple of hours from downtown Houston.

Thanks Dan, driving it is better than getting thrown under it.

Joe, thanks, really not sure what to do. It's kind of funny but I really don't want to start anything either.

Rye, I dunno, something is getting lost in translation here, probably my fault as much as anybody's. It does rankle me, though, that someone thinks I would actually consider doing that.

From Burt on Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:12:33 from 72.223.91.148

It could be lost in translation. Maybe he was just ranting about the punk that actually did it. I still love you Mark.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
5.167.000.000.0012.16

66F, 100%, calm and fogged in. 

Last week was a "quick" trip to China, there is no such thing, ate up 4 days for a one-day meeting, and got only one run in while I was there.  Wanted to go on a long run Saturday morning before leaving for the airport to come home, as there is a long, paved trail along a river by the hotel, but I was up all night working so there was no way.  My colleague in our Beijing office told me that there are kidnapping problems in China, which are not being reported due to media control by the government, so it was probably just as well that I didn't go out for a long run by myself.  So basically last week was a running disaster.  But if there has to be a week like that, two weeks on the back side of a marathon is as good a time as any.  Leaving for Ecuador this afternoon, but I think I'll be able to at least do treadmill workouts at the hotel. 

So out the door at 4:00 a.m. so I could get this one in before the seminary trip.  Ran 5 LHR miles at a 9:54 pace, then 7 at what I hoped was going to be a 7:30 pace.  It ended up being a 7:46 average, and splits were all over the map.  My legs are jet-lagged or I gained weight or I am out of shape or something.  If I ever had an important race (not that I ever would), I would make sure I was at least 48 hours off the plane before the race, more if significant time zone differences are involved.  Long plane travel is not condusive to running.  Overall I ran 12.16 miles in 1:45:25, average pace 8:40 per mile, maxHR 184 bpm.  This run is duly recorded and I am moving on with my life.

Comments
From derhammer on Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:57:44 from 192.156.110.40

Flat -

I think we should go in business together and open up mini-gyms with treadmills at all the major airports. I can't think of a better way to spend time during a layover than getting a good run in.

It would be great if they could put a couple treadmills on these new jumbo jets that are coming out, too.

From ACorn on Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 13:00:20 from 68.66.168.22

You are a traveling man! Way to get up at 4 am after a lot of airplane time to get your run in.

From I Just Run on Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 13:07:19 from 67.79.11.242

Oh man... Sorry for all the travel. At least it's been on the backside of your marathon. The 12.16 looks good no matter what the pace.

From JG on Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 14:29:34 from 71.59.27.33

Nice run! Your travels make me tired just reading about them! Have fun and be safe in Equador!

From allie on Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 23:48:47 from 24.10.191.18

traveling is tough, especially when you aren't just losing hours, but entire days at a time. good luck in ecuador.

From Smooth on Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 00:01:46 from 174.27.208.222

globe-trotting is very taxing and exhausting...way to get 12+ miles in. have a safe time in Equador and hope you get some running in.

From Dan on Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 22:19:27 from 24.209.83.20

Hey count me on those airport layover gym's! Nice duly recorded run.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.300.000.000.009.30

Treadmill, no weather report. Got on the treadmill last night at the hotel and slogged out some miles, just me and 4 or 5 staff people waiting to clean the place up. Quito is at 9500 feet elevation according to one source I consulted, so I wasn't sure how this would work out. I didn't take a heart rate monitor down to the gym, but probably should have. I ran these at easy pace, but it didn't feel that easy. But I am in survival mode right now with work being so busy, just trying to get my miles in, no illusion that I can maintain low heart rate at this altitude. This workout was excruciatingly boring, can't believe I made it through.

More importantly, the treadmill was measuring in kilometers per hour. I noticed that when I set it on 6 and was practically walking. So I cranked it up to 10 kph and that seemed about the same as my normal 10-minute pace (actually, it is, 6.2 mph now that I have a chance to calculate it). So at 45 minutes the machine shuts down and the staff hanging around for me to finish looked up hopefully. I got on the next treadmill and set it on 10, almost ended my running career right there, since it was measuring in mph, i.e., 6-minute pace. I don't run that fast. Once I got the speed back down I looked pointedly at the staff to make sure they weren't laughing -- they quickly glanced away. After 40 minutes that one died, so I got back on the kilometer machine which had re-set and finished another 5 minutes. Adding everything up, 9.3 miles in 1:30. I am pretty sure the staff was commenting about my odor as I walked past. But in addition to not running 6-minute miles, I don't speak Spanish either. Not sure what I am doing here.

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From Smooth on Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:01:56 from 174.27.208.222

Laughing so hard, nearly fell off my chair! I wonder what the staff were thinking when you got back on the kilometer machine AGAIN!!! "How long is this crazy grinko gonna torture us!!!! KarRRRUMBA!"

From SlowJoe on Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:15:10 from 75.109.104.60

That is pretty funny. Glad you are getting some high-altitude training while entertaining the locals.

From I Just Run on Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:38:18 from 166.205.14.153

Your entries are always amusing... :-)

From Mack on Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 18:07:44 from 50.39.193.169

Great stuff Flat!

From allie on Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 21:40:49 from 24.10.191.18

haha. nice job, flat.

From Rye on Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 23:24:17 from 174.27.83.149

Stay longer than a few days and those 6 minute miles are closer than you think.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

Treadmill at the hotel in Quito again. Got there a little earlier tonight, so the staff wasn't worrying about how much sleep they would get.  Did the mph machine first until it quit at 40 minutes.  Then got on the kph machine after doing a quick calculation on my phone.  7 mph = 11.2 kph, just sharing because I know this is an important number for everybody.  40 more minutes, then almost 10 more minutes on the mph machine to get a total of 10 miles, 2 at 10-minute pace and 8 at 8:34 pace.  At this altitude I was pretty beat, in fact I was sweating like a pig.  I rode the elevator to my room from the basement and found out my soaked room card wouldn't open the door.  Back down to the lobby in full odor.  They were having a black-tie reception there, but they made plenty of room as I walked to the desk to get a new room card, no problem.

Up very early this morning and back to Houston, which has been cool all week but is now pretty warm, just in time for a half that Wade, Linda and I are planning in the morning.  I think 7 mph sounds about right.

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From SlowJoe on Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 20:56:01 from 75.109.104.60

Don't worry about the odor, just tip them with some drenched American dollars.

From Rye on Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 15:30:21 from 174.27.83.149

You had to travel all that way to figure out that 7mph is about right.... Well, atleast you learned something.

Race: Huntsville Half Marathon (13.22 Miles) 01:42:19, Place overall: 28, Place in age division: 3
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0013.220.000.0013.22

60F, 90% humidity, some wind from a generally southerly direction, didn't write it down.  I wasn't really prepared for this race, kind of did it on a whim and my time shows it, more than 5 minutes slower than my PR, which is quite a bit for this distance.  The last one I ran in Beaumont had identical temperatures as today and more wind, so not a good day.  I will say, though, this course was very hilly.  A couple of 100 to 150-foot ascents which were steeper than Veyo in St. George, as well as some gradual ascents.  (All this in Texas, no lie.)  Plus the placement of the hills was bad.  First big hill right at the start leaving us winded a quarter mile into the race, second long one at mile 5, then did it all again because it was a two-loop course.  I am chalking it up to too much time in an airplane, too little sleep and too little running.  I don't think there was any SGM effect, but it is possible I guess.

Wade, Linda and I left at 6, got to Huntsville about 7, race started at 8.  I brought along a course elevation map and after discussing it I suggested that we go to McDonalds instead.  For a minute I thought they were going to take me up on it.  Linda was running her first half and was nervous.  My splits, were 7:35, 6:53, 7:23, 7:20 (175), 7:30 (177), 8:00 (177), 7:58 (175), 8:03 (175), 7:34 (172), 7:51 (176), 7:54 (178), 8:13 (180), 8:25 (180) and 7:10 (181) for the final 0.22.  My gimpy right ankle started giving out on me a few times in the last 3 miles, making me hobble, but I don't think it affected my time much.  The erractic splits were generally due to the uphill/downhill nature of the course, but I also ran out of gas, I have a conditioning issue it appears.  Average pace on the first half was about 7:27 per mile, second time around the same loop was about 8:01 per mile.  Course was about a minute long, they almost always are.  Average overall pace 7:44, average heart rate 177 (92% of HRmax), overall official time 1:42:19.

The hills were probably worth about 2 minutes -- and temperature doesn't explain the rest of the difference. I took third in my age group, got beat by two 59-year old guys, one of whom I beat pretty easily in a 5K earlier this year; actually I was surprised when I found out I placed.  If I had matched my PR I would have won my age group.  1:20 won the whole thing, so even though there were some good runners, the course took its toll.  Wade finished 4 minutes behind me, when he got done we looked at each other and started laughing about the course.  He has been running every day and is rapidly closing the gap.  Linda did fine as well and probably could have run faster, she went out conservatively. 

Trying to wrap my brain around the high heart rate, 8 bpm higher than St. George.  Using up most of my heart rate reserve like that, it is clear that I was maxed out, although I didn't get nauseous.  I am curious as to why I could run this distance at that heart rate, maybe my HRmax is higher than 193?  Doesn't make sense though -- according to the rule of thumb formula my HRmax should be 164, a number which is significantly lower than my average half marathon rate today.  But I had a great time hanging out with Wade and Linda and just soaking up the race atmosphere -- I really don't feel badly, race day is always fun (almost always).  I am reconsidering Richmond in three weeks, though.  Doesn't seem like I am adequately prepared at the moment, especially whiffing on workouts the last two weeks.  It might be a good idea to go into a 12-week base-building cycle then shoot for a good time on an easy course like Boston.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 16:24:44 from 75.109.104.60

Good run today - hills really take it out of me too. I read somewhere that your Max HR is a different number everyday, much like resting HR, depending on many factors.

I like the idea of focusing on Boston and doing some nice easy base-building beforehand.

From ACorn on Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 19:08:08 from 24.2.76.146

Good run Flatlander! Take care of that ankle, congrats on taking home bronze!

From derhammer on Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:08:48 from 70.113.125.159

Flat - sounds like it was tough out there. I probably would have wilted in that humidity. Yeah, I like the idea of base and shooting for a great Boston time.

From Claudio on Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 19:16:30 from 74.103.108.16

Still a very good time, given the conditions, Flatlander - accounting for hills and humidity your performance was probably very close to your PR - and third in age group is great. Congratulations!

From Stephen on Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:56:45 from 204.182.3.236

Very nice run over the hills and all. I agree that you should save your best for Boston.

From Steam8 on Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 22:44:41 from 166.70.55.77

That is a great time! That is about as fast as my legs ever go!! WOW..Nice run with just finishing St. George! You better believe your legs are still recovering! You need to give those legs a rest from racing! :)

From flatlander on Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 23:14:44 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks everybody. As you can see from my entry today, I have about decided to retreat and get ready for next year. I think it is time to stop racing for awhile and it sounds like most of you agree. Wade, Linda and I love it, though, so I don't know if I will be able to stay away completely. I'll probably sneak in a Turkey Trot at least, but I won't be in racing shape.

From JG on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 00:17:00 from 71.59.27.33

Nice race Flat! Not much recovery time after St. George & with your travels, not much time for targeted training! It his hard to stay away from racing ... but I think races can be great faster pace tempo runs to fill that urge ... you just have to resist from going all out and worrying about your time.

From Burt on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 18:42:11 from 72.223.91.148

Did you go potty before the race? Or were you holding it in the whole time? That's your heart rate issue right there.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.070.000.000.0014.07

59F, 100% and calm.  Good temperature out there but didn't run that well, legs still weak from Saturday most likely.  Ran 6.07 LHR miles before seminary, average pace 10:19 per mile, then got busy with work and didn't finish the run.  Came home after work and ran 8 more on the TM at a flat 10-minute pace.  Didn't hurt that Monday Night Football and the World Series were both playing.  It was almost painless.  Everything this week is going to be long and slow, possibly for the remainder of the year.  My legs are feeling the need to build up endurance, and I can feel the strength coming back when I run long and slow.  It feels good; time to start piling up the slow ones.

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From I Just Run on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 15:05:39 from 67.79.11.242

Ha ha... My new running plan is just the opposite. Less miles but more intense. It will be interesting to see the results (both you and I) in the next few months. JG and DerHammer have been having an interesting conversation about my new RLRF program on my Monday blog entry.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.260.000.000.0014.26

64F, 100% and calm.  Another foggy morning.  Did my run in two segments, interrupted by seminary routine.  Altogether 14.26 miles in 2:28:11, average pace 10:24 per mile.  Legs were pretty beat after doing 8 on the TM late last night, but at least I am back on schedule and now there is a full day to recover before the next one.

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From Steam8 on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:06:34 from 166.70.55.77

Really? 8 last night and 14 this morning! The thought of that is giving me another stress fracture! ha! Are you the early morning seminary teacher?

From flatlander on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:21:32 from 76.31.26.153

No, just a driver. My friend Wade's wife teaches it, she is very good. I take my daughter and one other kid, and we alternate months with his parents. As between my wife and me, I do it because she stays up late with the teenagers, who never want to go to bed. By the way, what is this I hear about a marathon in China? I have been on the Great Wall and it is steep and treacherous. Do they actually run it on the wall itself? That sounds scary but could be fun, as long as you aren't trying for a PR.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 13:43:27 from 132.3.53.68

I kind of like running in the fog, very serene. Way to crank out the miles this week so far -- is this the new plan for the rest of the year?

From allie on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 16:28:09 from 24.10.191.18

great mileage, and nice job with the back-to-back runs. those are tough, but it's great training!

From I Just Run on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 15:02:51 from 67.79.11.242

That evening and then morning run always seems tough. I think in my case 24 hours is good for recovery. My legs always feel heavy with less.

From flatlander on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 16:30:27 from 198.207.244.102

I should look into doing more back-to-back stuff. I think there is some pretty good science that it is very helpful, but man I hate 'em. When I get home from work I am ready for bed.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.440.000.000.0014.44

67F, 97%, SSE 5 mph.  A little warmer today but it didn't feel like it.  More of the same, this is my life now.  14.47 miles in 2:26:03, average pace 10:07 per mile, considerably better than yesterday, so that is encouraging.  I must be recovering from SGM and the half I ran on Saturday.

Only thing interesting was at mile 8, another front door opened and a large dog came at me.  I yelled at him.  The owner called him back and told me he was harmless.  I said "OK, no problem." and went on my way, even ran by the same house again on mile 12.  So progress.  Didn't apologize for yelling, though.  That is for later, I am only at Step 2 right now.

Comments
From ACorn on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 18:49:32 from 68.66.168.22

Harmless or not, large dogs have a scare factor.

You're working hard this week. Nice miles!

From Huans32 on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 18:55:43 from 138.64.8.51

Wow great run man. Looking strong.

From Andrea on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 18:59:07 from 72.37.244.100

I got a pretty bad bite from a dog last year and ever since then I yell really loud!

From Dave S on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 21:46:09 from 4.254.218.115

Great mileage this week! I'm just feeling close to recovered from St George and I didn't run a half. Way to get after it!

From Rye on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 23:51:43 from 174.27.120.12

What's up with dog owners anyway??? They're so annoying! Nice run flat...

From derhammer on Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 14:12:41 from 65.67.40.73

What is it that you actually yell at a dog? :-) I try to ignore them and just keep running. So far that seems to work. I have more encoutners with deer than dogs, though.

From flatlander on Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:15:35 from 198.207.244.102

Acorn, thanks, still thinking about pullups, don't think I have ever met anybody who could do that many.

Mark, thanks, glad you are getting back into it.

Andrea, that's terrible. I've never actually been bitten. There is no excuse for my wimpiness.

Thanks Dave, just starting to feel it again this week. It just takes a while, not sure why. We all recover pretty quickly from hard workouts.

Rye, I know you didn't mean that.

DH, sorry, family blog.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.450.000.000.0014.45

65F, 100%, calm and slightly foggy (kind of like me).  No dogs today, boring.  Did the same run as yesterday and it measured almost the same.  I knocked some more time off --  2:22:19, average LHR pace 9:51 per mile.  I had the cumulative average down to 9:43 at one point, but slowed at the end.  I did manage to stay under 10 minutes all the way through mile 12, though, and the last two were below 10:10, so it was a good day.  Legs definitely feeling it afterwards, but won't know until tomorrow if that means anything.

I'm going to do this same run a couple of more times to test my view that Garmins are pretty accurate.  Any particular measurement might be off, but they average out or it wouldn't measure the same course the same every time.  Stated differently, if the Garmin says a course is long, I think that means it is long.  A few tangents don't add up to a tenth of a mile -- maybe if you are running the outside lane on a 10K at the track, but not for most of the courses we run.

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From Burt on Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 15:43:28 from 68.14.209.26

No dogs? Are you still in phase II?

From I Just Run on Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 16:04:04 from 67.79.11.242

I like playing with the Garmin with different scenarios too :-)

From Claudio on Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 20:45:23 from 173.75.177.235

When I used my Garmin on the track this summer, the mile ended up being measured very accurately at 1.00 miles. However, the 5000m were measured quite considerably short at 3.14 miles (about 2.5% short). What was way off both times was the elevation change... Garmin said 342ft up and 261ft down for the 5000m and 120ft up and 133 down for the mile!

From SlowJoe on Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:38:22 from 132.3.53.68

Impressive mileage this week.

I don't doubt that you will get the same reading with the same garmin. Swap garmins with someone though, and I'm guessing it will be different. I always measure shorter when comparing with others on the same course, especially when there are a lot of turns (and I don't run great tangents). My theory is that they all take updates at different rates, so some cut corners while others (that update faster) measure curves better. On a track, I always measure short running in the center of lane 1.

an interesting article:

http://www.hamptonrockfest.com/hamptonhalf-GPS.html

From seeaprilrun on Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:56:45 from 68.103.254.223

My Garmin seems to be pretty accurate. The runs I run regularly measure the same. On the track if I hug the inside lane it measures 1600 meters as a mile, but if I get into the middle of the lane it measures long.

From I Just Run on Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:20:43 from 67.79.11.242

Read the article Joe...What a joke (the lawsuit threat), but I did learn something. I wasn't aware how the courses were measured. I'll be sure to be running the tangents from now on!!

From derhammer on Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:16:09 from 192.156.110.34

Nice run, Flat. You amaze me with the amount of miles you can put in day after day.

As a side note, the most accurate my Garmin has been at a marathon was in Iowa this past June. There were only 4-5 turns during the entire course. I have never had my Garmin in sync with every mile marker before the Iowa race. It was eerie how accurate it was.

In the other marathons that I have run the Garmin starts to beep early after a while. That leads me to believe a course with many tangents does start to add extra distance to the race as it progresses. If the Garmin says you ran 26.4 at the end of a marathon, you probably did.

From flatlander on Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 17:24:18 from 76.31.26.153

Burt, Step 2, not Phase II. Step 1 is "I am afraid of dogs."

IJR, it's not a toy, it's a tool.

Claudio, yeah, all GPS devices are terrible at measuring elevation. I don't even set mine, since I already know I am at 50' and staying there!

Joe, that is a great idea, I'll have to swap with Wade, his is the same model.

April, that is interesting. Did it measure St. George at 26.22 or do you recall?

David, at Utah Valley this year it measured every mile the same except one, and that one mile was off by about 0.15, which held true all the way through. I sent the race director a helpful note, but have yet to get a thank-you note back.

From seeaprilrun on Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 20:46:55 from 205.172.12.229

Flat--it measured Saint George as 26.27, which is the closest I have ever been in a marathon

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
14.510.000.000.0014.51

55F, 89%, NNW 13-18 mph.  The new running season has finally arrived, but I was already missing summer when I stepped out into the chilly breeze.  Hard to make me happy.  Woke up before the alarm and ran a slightly different route due to the seminary break being at mile 7 instead of mile 6.  I always feel less sleepy all day when I wake up ahead of the alarm.  There is apparently an iPhone app that senses your body movements in bed and the alarm is flexible; within a certain window it goes off when you are the peak of a sleep cycle, when you are almost awake anyway.  But I don't have an iPhone, too poor after buying them for my kids.  I wouldn't take one to bed anyway, too weird.  However, if I could rig it so that my kids' iPhones go off instead of mine, I might consider buying the phone and the app. 

More LHR miles, from now to eternity.  14.51 miles in 2:20:10, average pace 9:40, all under 10 except for the warmup miles.  Got a 9:18, which isn't a LHR PR but not that far away, and I improved every day this week from Tuesday on, with a big assist from the weather today.  Off to Temple to see my granddaughters for the weekend.  Sweet dreams.

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From SlowJoe on Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 21:12:28 from 75.109.104.60

You'll be crushing those LHR PRs in no time. Have a nice trip.

From Steam8 on Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 22:15:48 from 166.70.55.77

It is pretty cold here too. I missed all of the great fall running weather. I had to wait to run until 12, so that I didn't freeze!

I have an iphone and you are right...way too expensive. Just use your kids, they shouldn't be using them at night anyway! ;)

Yes, you run 26.2 on the Great Wall. Can you imagine anything more amazing? They say that it can be pretty dangerous in a couple of spots, but I haven't heard of anyone getting hurt yet. Just Google it. It looks amazing. A friend of mine that ran Boston last year, ran the Great Wall the next month and his wife ran the half. He said it was surreal! I will be doing it May 2013 since I will be doing Boston this year in April. It would be fun to get a bunch of FRBers to save up and all go over together!

From Dan on Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:31:54 from 76.250.141.181

Have a good trip. Is there an App that will run for you?

From flatlander on Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:30:41 from 166.249.200.108

Joe, LOL, LHR king here.

Steam, I dunno, I have been on the Great Wall and it is steep. I am a klutz and I can see myself taking a spill at some point. Fascinating idea though.

Dan, there is, but it wants to share the credit.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.070.000.000.0019.07

66F.  Ran in Temple, Texas this afternoon.  The humidity felt low but by the end of the run I was pretty spent, quite a bit of wind and some respectable hills.  Ran 19.07 miles in 2:57:12, average pace 9:18 per mile.  Average heart rate 142, was unable to maintain LHR under these conditions unless I ran so slow I would never finish.  Ran the first lap with my daughter, right at 10K.  She was showing me the route, which included a mile or two against highway traffic.  That was a new experience seeing automobiles coming at me full speed, but I got used to it after a while.  We turned off the highway and at about mile 4 I tripped and fell down on a perfectly flat sidewalk.  I have some ugly knuckle abrasions that are a source of morbid fascination for my granddaughters on this Halloween weekend.  But no permanent damage.  It is my fifth fall, I remember each one.  One of these days I will fall the wrong way and that will be it.

After dropping my daughter off at her house, getting a drink and cleaning myself up I went out for another lap.  I knew I wasn't going to make it out for a third lap so I started looking for detours.  I headed on down the highway instead of turning onto the sidewalk, but that ended after a mile when three large canines of uncertain heritage and poor grooming headed my way.  I figured I was done for but they were across the busy highway and didn't press the issue after I turned around.  Then through a neighborhood which was uneventful.  Then I found a disc golf course which had a couple of miles of trails in it.  By now I was diligently searching for water.  I finally found a park with a drinking fountain and solved that problem.  Turns out the park had three miles of trails in it, very pretty.  Then I slogged it home, was hitting 9:30s about this point.

Following up on last week's half marathon in Huntsville, I got this picture from some friends.  The lady on the left, Shannon, is the daughter of some friends of ours -- we didn't know she is a runner and we found her at the race by accident.  She was running her first race ever and was the fourth woman finisher.  She beat me by 6 minutes.  She is ridiculously humble; some people just don't know how fast they are.  The other two are Wade and Linda.  Also Shannon's daughter.  We had a good time, even though I didn't get a good time.

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From SlowJoe on Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:37:32 from 75.109.104.60

Way to survive out there, sounds like a tough day of running. The trick to running on the highway is to turn your hed to the side when the big rigs come barrelling down. I ended up with gravel in my eyes a couple times before I learned my lesson. Enjoy your Sunday!

From Rye on Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 07:34:03 from 174.27.124.34

Love your entry! Being a dog owner I liked the "uncertain heritage" comment. I'm chuckling a bit about the respectable hills though. I think that you have been away from the west too long. Nice run flat.

From I Just Run on Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 09:43:30 from 67.79.11.242

My suggestion, when running into the traffic, is to reach out just as the cars come by and see if you can touch their rearview mirror. This as least gets them to move over a couple of inches as they go by....#$%^#@ drives:-(

From JG on Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:09:54 from 71.59.27.33

Quite the adventurous run! Great mileage ... and pic from last week!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.050.000.000.0016.05

47F, 97% and calm.  Picture perfect running weather.  Running in the dark and early dawn is more comfortable for me than running mid-day like I did on Saturday.  It fits my body rhythms better and I run better.  I ran 16.05 LHR miles in 2:37:52, average pace 9:50 per mile.  Not great but good enough for Monday.  I peeked ahead and it looks like we will have reasonable weather all week.  The biggest advantage to cooler weather is that I can hold the LHR pace a lot longer.  Other than the warmup miles, I didn't break the 10-minute barrier until the last mile this morning.  On the other hand, these paces need to get down into the low 9s, just have to be patient about that.  Fat-burning capacity takes a long time to develop.

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From SlowJoe on Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 09:43:25 from 132.3.53.68

I am afraid to ask how many miles you are running this week.

Hey, are you doing the big turkey trot in Houston this year?

From I Just Run on Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 09:45:49 from 67.79.11.242

I'm embarrased to even go to both you guys blogs and see the milage compared to mine. My week consist of about 30 miles. You guys run that in two days!

From allie on Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 12:14:55 from 161.38.218.168

great run to start off the week. i feel the same way about running in the morning.

From flatlander on Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 16:16:49 from 198.207.244.102

Joe, I'm taking my crew to the Woodlands again. It is a pretty fast 5-mile race, and they serve great food afterwards. We had a good time there last year despite the heat. Are you coming in?

IJR, it doesn't apply to you. You run 70-second quarters, no need to pay any attention to us mere mortals.

Allie, thanks, and congrats again on your great news.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 14:36:52 from 75.109.104.60

Sorry Mark, just realized I forgot to answer your question. We will be in Houston over Thanksgiving, probably doing the 10k that is conveiniently uptown. If we can both work it out, maybe hook up for a run on Fri or Sat?

From flatlander on Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 17:55:54 from 64.129.54.210

Joe, I will definitely be available either day. Let's plan on it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.130.000.000.0016.13

46F, 100% and calm.  Great running weather, was supposed to heat back up to the low 60s this morning but it didn't happen.  Due to Halloween last night, I slept in until time for the seminary run, so got started running very late.  It was 9:00 by the time I finished but still comfortably cool.  I ran 16.13 LHR miles in 2:40:50, average pace 9:58 per mile.  My left calf is bothering me considerably, probably from running hills on Saturday, and I think that slowed me down.  But I think it is excessive soreness, not an injury.  It feels generally OK once I get going.  But the colder weather had a different effect.  I was making more detours to the facilities than a sailor coming off shore leave.

Halloween was interesting.  Our eclectic cul-de-sac got together (Peru/Argentina, England/France, some Arab guy who has replaced the Mexican/Irish couple, Flatlander/Mrs. Flatlander, plus one normal couple), set out tables and passed out candy from there instead of our front doors.  The Arab wasn't there (in fact, nobody has actually met him), and the French lady lit into him, her accent thickening after each glass of wine.  She thinks it is suspicious that he paid cash for his house, it is his second house, he is never there, he is single with weird facial hair, and his name is unpronounceable and sounds Middle Eastern.  She has "friends in the FBI" and intends to get to the bottom of it.  I was shaking with laughter -- no American could talk like that.  But I managed to get to the end of the night without offending her -- she is a wonderful cook and I want to stay on her good side.  After all, "cul-de-sac" is very French; and who knows, she might be right about my new neighbor.

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From Rye on Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 23:41:19 from 174.27.124.34

Man, you have the craziest stories. Must be a Texan thing. I would be suspicious though, on the other hand, I watch more "24" than is needed. Everyone is a mole......

From JG on Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 23:49:15 from 71.59.27.33

Great mileage Flat ... that Half marathon must not have been challenging for you ... you have not run less than 14 miles since! Interesting cul-de-sac party!!

From I Just Run on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 10:17:59 from 67.79.11.242

You must just cut and paste your milage each week...Wow what miles!

I'm thinking your neighborhood doesn't sound much like a Texas community, I see no Texicans live there.

I'm with the French lady, I'd keep my eye on that ME guy. I'm sure Rye would agree with me, just read his blog title!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.010.000.000.0016.01

60F, 99%, E 4 mph.  A lot warmer this morning but it was fine.  Woke up really early but I have been going to bed early so that was fine too.  Ran 11 then 5.  After 11 I had a 9:44 average, then it ballooned on the last 5 when I went back out after the seminary run, stiff and tired by that point.  16.01 LHR miles in 2:39:44, average pace 9:58.  I can tell it's going to take a while to get any better.

As I was stretching afterward*, I noticed that my shoes are not looking great.  I take unrighteous pride in wearing them until they are really ugly, but perhaps the big toe poking out is a little much?

  *Yes, it's a Danskin yoga mat.

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From Dan on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:21:33 from 24.209.83.20

You may need a new pair for Christmas (2013). Nice miles.

From derhammer on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 16:23:37 from 192.156.110.34

Wow - 16 on a weekday!?

I can't get over how thin that sole is.

From SlowJoe on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 19:48:55 from 75.109.104.60

16 on a weekday times 5 I bet!

I wouldn't have noticed it was a yoga mat but now we all know. Now we all know.

From Steam8 on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 20:05:18 from 166.70.55.77

Haha! I love the toe popping out...and the Danskin mat! 60 would feel good. It was 41 when I ran today and a bit windy....COOOOLD! My body isn't used to the colder weather yet or running for that matter. 4 about killed me today. I can't imagine running 16. It has been too long!

From SlowJoe on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 20:08:22 from 75.109.104.60

I thought Danskin was a kind of yogurt.

From allie on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 20:23:17 from 24.10.191.18

they are holy shoes. suck as much life out of them as you can, then sacrifice them to the nylon bodywear gods.

From Smooth on Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 23:36:37 from 75.162.83.50

You ran 16+ miles every day this week! WOW!!! Are you training for an ultra? :) :) :) I think your big toe wanna come out really bad especially when it's gonna be on a Danskin yoga mat.

allie got it right! :)

From I Just Run on Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 10:44:16 from 67.79.11.242

Ha ha...Flat, do you need to borrow a few dollars for a new pair of shoes? Wait a minute, I though lawyers made pretty good money..? But on the other hand, with all the miles you're running you probably go through a pair of shoes a week!

From flatlander on Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 11:27:25 from 76.31.26.153

Dan, you think like I do!

DH, yes, I don't even think about it anymore. I do not miss the extra weight.

Joe, just colored like yogurt. They have a name for these faded, feminine colors, but I don't remember what it is, which means there is hope I suppose.

S8, I did my token cold weather run on Saturday, but it is back up to 60 today.

Allie, good idea as always. Planning a ceremony now, but nothing could beat a plank on the Great Salt Lake.

Smooth, didn't make 16 every day, life interfered. With these shoes, I have to remember to not wear socks with holes in them.

IJR, our money is good, just not very much of it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.140.000.000.0016.14

51F, 55%, WNW 13-22 mph.  When I first went out it was windier than that.  Howling out there.  I ran 6 then went on the seminary run and afterwards checked the conditions before heading back out, but by then the wind felt more reasonable.  I was in short sleeves and doing fine, but I ran past a kid walking to the school bus.  He was bundled from head to toe, including a scarf that covered most of his face.  Only his eyes were poking out, and they were red.  He looked miserable, and he looked at me like I was crazy.  Really, it wasn't that bad, though it was hard to keep a steady heart rate, running with and then against the wind.  Overall I ran 16.14 LHR miles in 2:39:09, average pace 9:52 per mile, which I was happy with under the circumstances.  My legs are trashed, so I am not going to run today.  They never quite recovered from Saturday's hills.  My left calf is especially sore, it needs a day of rest.  I might not be quite ready for this much mileage yet, even LHR miles. 

I am writing this on Friday after taking my daughter and son-in-law to the airport this morning.  They came in last night.  We met up at a restaurant because I was driving straight from work.  Our granddaughters came running into the restaurant and parked on each side of me.  Grandma got stuck across the table.  I might have smirked.

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From LymanW on Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 10:37:29 from 170.135.112.12

Good call taking the day off. Get some recovery in and avoid injury!

From I Just Run on Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 11:14:39 from 67.79.11.242

Crazy milage! I'd say a day off is in order. I think I might have smirked too :-)

From Steam8 on Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 10:40:02 from 166.70.55.77

16 miles....you have been pumping out the miles! 5 about killed me yesterday!

You might have smirked? ha! That had to feel good. :)

From SlowJoe on Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 13:42:06 from 75.109.104.60

Good call on the day off. I don't care what pace you are going, it has to be tough running for 2.5 hours a day. Congrats on being the favorite grandparent.

From Smooth on Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 00:56:05 from 75.162.83.50

You smirked?!! If I were your wife, I'd kicked you in the shin! jk! :)

NICE miles! Take the weekend off and enjoy the visiting kids and grandkids already! :)

From flatlander on Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 11:34:24 from 76.31.26.153

Lyman, thanks, belated welcome to the blog, looks like you are making some fast progress, good luck.

IJR, S8, Joe and Smooth, yep I smirked. Have been paying for it, though, if that is any consolation.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.470.000.000.0020.47

37F, 99%, E 1 mph.  Very nice morning, wore gloves, long sleeves and a beanie but no long pants and that turned out about right.  Wade picked me up at 5:15 and we did 10 from the Y starting at 5:30.  Only one other guy showed up, Dave, who I hadn't met before.  He took off fast.  We took the first 5 at about an 8:00 to 8:15 pace, then Dave went a different direction and Wade and I immediately slowed down to a 9:00 pace.  After Wade left I ran home from the Y, with enough detours to make another 10 miles.  But my left calf had stiffened from the first 10 and it was painful the whole way, never really got back to normal.  I ran about 9:30s on the way home, some splits even slower.  I'm worried but it feels better today after a long "fall back" 9 hours of sleep. 

Altogether 20.47 miles in 3:10:25, average pace 9:18 per mile.  About 2 miles from the house I saw another runner staring at my shoes, which isn't unusual, because my shoes are unusual.  Then I saw he didn't have any shoes at all.  I have heard all about these guys, but this was my first actual sighting.  He appeared normal from the ankles up.

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From SonofaFlatlander on Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 17:13:57 from 99.30.108.173

Props to that guy. I'd like to try that but it seems unwise in the dark.

From JG on Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 21:40:55 from 71.59.27.33

Are you training for an Ultra? Crazy miles the last couple weeks, nice job! Bare feet in 37 deg, that's even crazier!

From Stephen on Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 09:52:43 from 204.182.3.236

You're not giving any "normal" people a chance to compete with your kind of mileage. But for health's sake, we keep trying.

From I Just Run on Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 11:12:13 from 67.79.11.242

Yikes...37 degrees and no shoes, that's crazy. Not to mention the wear and tear on your feet! I didn't see any of the top runners in the NYC marathon barefooted. You sure are running a lot of miles, have you ever thought about running an Ultra-Marathon?

From SlowJoe on Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 16:07:22 from 132.3.53.68

He must've been lost - I hope you gave him directions back to California.

Nice 20.

From flatlander on Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 17:27:46 from 64.129.54.210

SF, um, your wife just joined the blog, thought I should tell you.

JG, nope, not yet anyway. I don't really have any way to train on trails consistently around here. Funny though, when I started out I thought that was what I wanted to do, and someday I just might once I have done everything I can with street racing.

Stephen, the miles mean nothing. It's just base work and trying to do a lot of it. There won't be any payoff until I start doing speedwork again, and at my age there might not be any payoff then either.

Preston, no ultras in my future, although I am seriously considering pacing Crockett when he comes to Huntsville in February for the Rocky Raccoon. But that would be one lap, or two at the most.

Joe, that's funny. I have been in various neighborhoods before and been told that I must be lost.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.170.000.000.0012.17

69F, 93%, ESE 5 mph.  Warm again, tomorrow too, but it feels fine, not stifling like high 70s.  Got out early and ran 12.17 LHR miles in 2:02:29, average pace 10:04 per mile.  My left calf still hurt but it made it through the run without getting worse, and it has felt fine all day.  If it continues to improve I can build back up a little bit later, but this much is plenty for this week.  If all goes well I will stay in base mode through the middle of January before adding faster stuff back into the mix.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.130.000.000.0012.13

73F, 89%, SSW 4 mph.  Even warmer.  Got out a little later and ran 12.13 LHR miles in 2:02:51, average 10:09 per mile, so slower than yesterday.  Tomorrow will be cooler, interesting to see if it speeds up or not.  When I got back I was staring out the window at a large white egret.  My granddaughter asked me what I was looking at, I told her it was a beautiful bird.  She looked at it and said it wasn't a bird.  I asked her if it could fly, and without hesitation she said yes, but it isn't a bird.  I told her I was pretty sure it was, but finally asked her what she thought it was.  She said it is somewhere between a bird and a duck.  QED.  I need to be a more gracious loser.

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From baldnspicy on Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 00:00:40 from 72.77.72.110

73F? Where do you live, Texas?? We're enjoying some decent fall weather right now after the chilly mornings. I'm really impressed with your mileage and consistent speed. Glad you're doing well!

I like the way your granddaughter thinks...it's right up my alley. :-)

From Steam8 on Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 09:04:18 from 166.70.55.77

Haha! Cute! I love the things that kids say. I wish I was wanting some cooler weather. It is so cold right now, I have to head down to the dreadmill for 5. I don't know how you run that many miles every day....I would be wiped out!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.880.000.000.0012.88

55F, 70%, NNW 11 mph.  Much better running weather today and my pacing showed it.  Ran 12.88 LHR miles in 2:04:35, average 9:40 per mile, almost 30 seconds faster than yesterday and a slower heart rate as well (by 2 bpm, which doesn't sound like much but over a 2-hour span it is significant).  So even with a respectable breeze the lower temperatures and humidity made a big difference.  I ran 5 in a row under 9:30 in the sweet spot of the run, miles 4 through 9.  I also stopped at the clubhouse near the end of the run and did some leg weights before running the rest of the way home.  Out of curiosity I just now checked the forecast for Richmond, Virginia this Saturday.  I almost entered that marathon but decided I didn't need to be doing another one right now.   38F with a mild SW breeze and low humidity.  Dramatically better running weather than St. George, sea level to boot -- almost tempted to go run it anyway, but I won't.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 10:25:03 from 132.3.53.68

I think we have the same sweet spot, 4-9 sounds about right. You're showing some nice willpower to not go run in those heavenly conditions!

From I Just Run on Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 10:28:54 from 67.79.11.242

Good run. It nice how a little cool weather brings the spring back into your running :-)

From Rye on Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 12:08:44 from 75.174.19.85

flat.... My daughter comes home the first week of Dec from Virginia. Seems like that is what I think of when anybody mentions that state! It's been 19 months....... I'm sooooo ready. She is not! Surprise.......

From JG on Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 13:38:57 from 71.59.27.33

12 ... 12 ... 12 ... Mr. Consistency! Wouldn't she be surprised if you showed up on her doorstep!

Savannah just had an inaugural rocknroll marathon last weekend ... perfect temps, flat, sea level ... made me wish I would have done it ... although it was a bit windy. Have several friends that ran it, it is one that is going on my list of must do's ... maybe 2013.

From seeaprilrun on Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 14:50:25 from 72.205.230.98

It's pretty amazing what a drop in temps will do. You must be feeling pretty good to be thinking of another marathon already.

From flatlander on Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:57:09 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks Joe. It's very tempting but I am pretty sure I am not ready to run one. But that 30-second drop attributable solely to temperature had me reconsidering for a minute.

IJR, spring is just the right word. Even in the early miles when the weather should not make much difference my legs feel livelier.

Rye, not sure I knew she was in Virginia. Congratulations in any event. She's ready, even if she hasn't admitted it to herself.

JG, Savannah huh? That is certainly one to keep in mind. Looks like 3 hours flat won my age division. Might be something to shoot for.

April, either feeling good or slightly addled, might be the same thing.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.040.000.000.0012.04

50F, 52%, N 6 mph.  Another good running day, it was colder by the time I finished.  Ran 12.07 LHR miles in 1:55:55, average pace 9:38 per mile.  It wasn't really faster than yesterday, though.  The distance was a little shorter, so not as many slow steps at the end, plus today's initial warmup mile was faster than yesterday's.  Still, about the same, and I'm happy with these speeds for now, they are almost my best.  This is the third week in a 12-week base phase.  The last time I did this religiously it took at least 8 weeks before I really started to get significant results.  That may not happen again the same way, but it's worth a try.

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From I Just Run on Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:55:18 from 67.79.11.242

It's almost humorous how different the two training programs you and I are using. Mine's run crazy fast for short periods and you're is run slowly for crazy distances :-) I'm feeling lie the hair and afraid of the final outcome :-)

From allie on Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 14:49:14 from 161.38.218.168

1:55:55. great job.

From Stephen on Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:00:03 from 204.182.3.236

That's a very impressive low heart rate pace!

From flatlander on Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:56:06 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, I agree. There are a lot of roads to Rome I guess, but both of us should get some good information out of this, especially since we both keep detailed records of our runs.

Allie, thanks, if only the humidity had been 55%.

Stephen, thanks, I'm starting to feel a little better about my training, but the jury is still out. After today's run though, I am starting to think that there will be results. LHR just makes you stronger on the other runs, I could really feel it today.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.090.000.000.0012.09

36F, 96%, clear and calm, nearly a full moon.  Ran 12.09 miles in 1:55:22, average pace 9:33 per mile.  It was a great morning for running, but it did require long sleeves and gloves.  It seems like I am starting to get some LHR fitness back, will be interesting early next week when the lows are in the 50s to see if these times hold.  If they don't, then the improvement is just temperature-related, although I wouldn't have thought there is much of that going on between the mid-40s (like yesterday) and the mid-30s (like today).

I was checking out some running stuff on the web and figured out who the mystery lady in the jeep is, the one who beat me by a minute at my last 5K.  I have been telling everybody I got beat by a 60-year old woman because that's how old she looked.  Well, it turns out she is 60, and she holds the world record in the 5K for 60-year old women.  Aside from the world record thing, which is pretty cool all by itself, I think it must be an important talent to be able to correctly guess women's ages.  In this internet age there has to be a way to make money off of this stuff.  But I must say there seems to be little upside in walking up to strange women and guessing their age out loud.

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From SlowJoe on Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:01:03 from 74.196.65.182

I actually feel like I improve a little from mid 40s to mid 30s, but could be my imagination.

To confirm your age-guessing talent, I recommend going up to random women and give them your best guess of how old they are. Then post about your experiences here.

From JG on Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 13:07:17 from 71.59.27.33

Nice run! I actually prefer 50 mid 30's, 40's make me happiest! I agree with Joe, I would love to hear about your experiences on guessing random women's age! I always subtract 10 years, so internally I know if I am guessing accurately.

From Steam8 on Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 14:38:38 from 166.70.55.77

Gotta feel good to have 12 done! I wish I was up to running 12 on my long runs! Funny about your mystery lady! ha!

From I Just Run on Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 14:57:25 from 67.79.11.242

When I went out to run this morning I was thinking..."wow, wouldn't this be a great morning to run" with the full moon you could see as if it were daytime!

If I had the talent of guessing women's ages I think I would want the ability to consistantly guess them three years younger than their real age...just sounds much safer to me :-)

Good run again, You're making me tire just reading about all your milage!

From Rye on Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 08:10:32 from 75.174.19.85

A model of consistency! Try Slowjoe's theory....I'm guessing that might be harder on you than telling people what you do for a living......on second thought...no

From flatlander on Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 13:03:11 from 76.31.26.153

Joe, I certainly need something to post about, other than recording yet another slow run.

JG, to make it really interesting, you have to be willing to state the real age. But if you are going to do that, you also have to be fast, luckily you are.

Steam, sorry about the flu at your house. You will be logging some longer runs very soon I think.

Rye, that sounds like a marvelous plan: "Hi, my name is Flatlander, I'm a lawyer, you are 63, right?" When I played basketball my coach used to tell me I had a quick first step, might be needing that.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.000.000.000.0020.00

47F, 98%, partly cloudy but dry, and calm.  Gorgeous weather this morning.  I was expecting high 50s, which would have morphed into high 60s by the time I finished.  This was better.  I started at 6:00 because I got to bed late last night.  The plan was. . . .actually there was no plan.  I toyed with going fast and also doing the whole thing at low heart rate, but it is too early in the training cycle to run fast and I couldn't withstand another LHR run after doing 5 already this week.  Even though Wade is out of town marrying off his son I thought I might go down to the Y anyway to run, but it was too late.  So I just ran, and had fun doing it.  The warmup mile was 9:49, at which point I thought I could average 9:00 pretty easily.  Second mile was 8:44 and I decided to shoot for an 8:40 average.  But after the second mile nothing was over 8:30 and I ended up with an 8:25 average pace, last mile 7:44.  Hit 20.00 right in front of my house, 2:48:26 total running time, that was it for the day.

One year ago today I ran the Richmond Marathon, also at 8:25 per mile by the Garmin (8:27 official).  The difference is heart rate -- today my average was 149 for miles 1-20, compared with 164 at Richmond for miles 3-20.  That was the race of my life but it is history now.  I longingly checked Richmond weather one last time this morning before heading out, 30F at race time, 5 below forecast and 5 colder than last year.  That might not have been so good, I would have had to go out in an extra layer of clothes then throw them away, and I never throw clothes away.

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From Claudio on Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:20:00 from 74.103.108.178

Excellent run Flatlander, very strong and with low heart rate, a great sign. I think that at the end of your base training you will be faster than ever!

From Stephen on Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:51:43 from 174.52.133.66

Way to go Bro! You practically ran a marathon anyway today.

From I Just Run on Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 16:27:33 from 71.41.149.142

That sure seems like a really good LHR. I'm probably going to wish I had done some of those in a few months.

From Steam8 on Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 17:05:29 from 166.70.55.77

I don't know how you do it! 12 yesterday and 20 today! Great average pace too! I wish I could run as many miles as you do. My body gets too tired, it just can't do it!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:53:49 from 74.196.65.182

Nice 20. Try not to wonder too much about how fast you could've gone at Richmond this year!

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0.000.000.000.000.00

Up all night on a call with China.  Really loving life this morning.

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From I Just Run on Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 09:23:51 from 67.79.11.242

So I finally figured out what would keep you from running 15-20 miles....NO SLEEP :-( Sorry...I bet you're tired!

From Steam8 on Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 19:38:37 from 166.70.55.77

Haha! You forgot the seminary run. That must have been fun to do this morning with no sleep! Did you make your wife drive this morning? I hope you are sleeping now and make up for the lack of last night tonight!

From SonofaFlatlander on Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 19:52:53 from 99.126.80.49

If it was me, an all-nighter would keep me out of my running shoes for 2-3 days. I'm sure you'll be back at it tomorrow. Hope the call was productive at least

From Dan on Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 21:48:31 from 24.209.83.20

Sorry about that, at least we are past the days of collect calls... ok that's no help. Hope you got some rest finally.

From SlowJoe on Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 09:59:12 from 132.3.53.68

Nice of you to get on THEIR schedule! How's your Chinese coming along?

From flatlander on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:49:41 from 198.207.244.102

Preston, no sleep, and you can add sore throat to that list. There was a time when I would have gone out anyway. Losing my edge I guess.

Steam, we didn't have to do it this morning. They are gradually getting enough teenage drivers that the parents don't have to do the run from church to school. Still responsible for getting her to the church, but we are switching off on that and this is our off month. Thankfully.

Clint, can't say it was that productive, but I got through it. They wanted a turn of the draft by the end of the day and I basically told them no. A different client wants us to come to Beijing next week even though they know it is Thanksgiving. My partner is going but I got out of it.

Dan, yes I caught up some, but probably not enough, I have a bad cold now.

Joe, it's a little rusty, as they say.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
13.030.000.000.0013.03

71F, 96% and calm.  Running in the soup again this morning, but it won't last.  Should be about 10 degrees cooler by tomorrow.  Woke up with a raw throat, my resistance goes down whenever I don't get enough sleep.  Still have it, but it didn't seem to affect my run much.  Legs felt well rested at the start of the run, but by mile 10 my pace slowed significantly because of the higher temperatures.  I ran 13.03 LHR miles in 2:08:08, average pace 9:50 per mile, so it was a good run under the conditions.  I stopped by the clubhouse about a half mile from the end of the run and did some leg work.  I figure if I can get stronger glutes and hams it will make me faster.  But I think the main problem is that the spring in my tendons has sprung.  When I watch a young guy run it is amazing how light they are on their feet.  Not sure there is a way to fix that one.

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From Stephen on Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:05:08 from 204.182.3.236

"The spring in my tendons has sprung" is quotable even in the fall.

From derhammer on Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 17:44:17 from 192.156.110.40

Yep, it was gross this morning. San Antonio all over again.

Good run despite the temps. What leg exercises are you doing?

I have started to incorporate some of this at the end of my runs to loosen up my tight hips - it seems to be helping my hamstring tightness/pain, too.

http://www.youtube.com/user/insidenikerunning#p/a/BB7895E11FF5B301/1/2GLrKr54yA0

From Rye on Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 18:31:10 from 174.27.70.12

Facelifts, tummy tucks, knee replacements and all and they still haven't figured out how to put a spring in your step. It's called short twitch muscle fibers and they leave after the age of 35...

From flatlander on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:52:13 from 198.207.244.102

Stephen, I'm afraid I fell back instead of sprang forward.

DH, I checked out that video, that is hardcore stuff. I can't remember all those movements. I'm mainly trying to strengthen hams and glutes so I that I start running with a longer stride.

Rye, Fast twitches huh? Have to check into that, didn't know I needed them but it makes sense. I'm sure I can pick some replacements up at Fleet Feet.

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Went to bed with a sore throat last night and it was worse this morning, plus a headache and fever.  No running today, just isn't my week I guess.  Hopefully I will "miraculously recover" as soon as the temps cool down.

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From allie on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:03:00 from 161.38.218.168

dang. i'm sorry. that junk had me down and out last week. lay low and feel better soon!

From Steam8 on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 17:41:34 from 166.70.55.77

Dang! A night without sleep this week probably didn't help you any!! Sorry. I hope it doesn't last long!

From JG on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 17:54:17 from 71.59.27.33

Well ... at least you already have 163 miles logged this month! :) Rest up & get better!

From SonofaFlatlander on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 19:50:07 from 99.88.232.52

ditto JG

From SlowJoe on Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 09:59:02 from 132.3.53.68

We call that a tactical cold, when the timing is good like that. Hope you get better with the nice temps too!

From I Just Run on Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:11:32 from 67.79.11.242

Sorry you're feeling bad. No sleep always seems to trigger something like this :-(

From Rye on Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 16:33:30 from 174.27.70.12

Thanks for leaving a spot on the mileage board for me! That's the only way I can work my way on the 1st page. Get feeling better!

From Stephen on Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 09:52:49 from 204.182.3.236

Hopefully, it won't last long.

From flatlander on Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:22:50 from 198.207.244.102

Thanks for the sympathy, everybody. Still sniffling but I feel better now.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.790.000.000.006.79

56F, 68%, NE 8-17 mph.  6.79 miles at 9:41 per mile.  Test run, the endorphins masked fever symptoms for a while then they came back.  But running didn't set me back.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.620.000.000.0012.62

42F, 54%, E 8 mph.  Very pretty morning, started out with long sleeves and gloves but decided I didn't need the gloves after a couple of miles.  Very stiff by the end of the run, though.  I was hitting 9:30s and a few 9:20s most of the way until the last 3 miles when it went to 9:50 and stayed there, bam, just like that, no warning.  12.62 LHR miles in 2:01:33, average pace 9:38 per mile.  Still have cold/flu symptoms but it is gradually running through my system.  I'm going to go ahead and do the long run tomorrow, but it is back into the 60s.  We can't shake summer.

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From I Just Run on Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 14:56:34 from 67.79.11.242

It just takes a while for the body to get back to full steam after having the flu. You'll be back to full speed in a couple of days!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.400.000.000.006.40

67F, 86%, SE 8 mph.  Warm weather again, but it isn't expected to last beyond Monday.  After the endorphin glow of yesterday morning's run wore off my flu symptoms came back hard like a Mack truck (sorry Mack).  Barely made it through the rest of the day and collapsed in bed at 8:45.  I didn't plan to run at all this morning unless I woke up without an alarm and feeling great.  I woke up once at 4:20 but the next thing I knew it was 6:00, 9 hours of nearly uninterrupted sleep.  I felt much better but the groups at the Y had long since departed, so I did a short run from my front door.  6.40 LHR miles in 1:02:11, average pace 9:43 per mile.  I stopped at the clubhouse near the end of the run and did leg weights, ran the rest of the way home, ate a large healthy breakfast, took a long hot shower and now I am ready for a nap.

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From derhammer on Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:08:12 from 70.113.125.159

Hope you get to feeling better soon!!!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:24:01 from 75.109.104.60

Sounds like a nice opportunity to recoup from the sickness and lack of sleep. Turkey trot weather is looking good!

From JG on Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:02:29 from 71.59.27.33

Good job getting out there ... a shorter run was probably just what you needed ... sounds like you are at least feeling a little better!

From Stephen on Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 14:14:42 from 174.52.133.66

Way to keep at it. A day of rest should help tomorrow.

From Steam8 on Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 17:49:55 from 166.70.55.77

I was the same last week with my flu. I only felt good while I ran and siiiiiiiiick when I wasn't! Gotta love the endorphins!!

I hope you are feeling better today! Nice that you got in 6.4 with the flu!

From I Just Run on Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 16:33:30 from 67.79.11.242

For some reason 6.40 still doesn't seem seem like a "short run" to me.

Way to be didicated through rough times!

From flatlander on Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 22:04:14 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks everybody, feeling better today even though my run this morning pretty much stunk up the joint.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.130.000.000.0016.13

73F, 95%, SSE 5 mph.  Very nice weather outside, but no good for running.  I had a high heart rate from the beginning and my achilles tendonitis returned.  After 14.5 my pace was up to 10:30+, so I gave up and ran the rest of it at marathon pace, which felt a little better.  Altogether 16.13 miles in 2:43:07, average pace 10:07 per mile.  Not a pretty run, and it is going to be warm again tomorrow, then it will cool off, hopefully for good. 

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From I Just Run on Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:00:02 from 67.79.11.242

My weather was about the same. I think I had already sweated about a quart of sweat before I actually started to run. Hope the achillies goes away. You're sure racking up the miles!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.080.000.000.0016.08

73F, 94% SW 3 mph to start, 68F, 94%, WNW 7 mph to end, but a lot happened in between.  I was pretty sore after yesterday, especially in my right achilles, so I was ready to pull the plug whenever it was needed.  As it turned out, I lasted the whole run and even felt a little better than yesterday, though my heart rate was no better.  I ran 16.08 miles in 2:43:06, average pace 10:09 per mile.  It was warm and muggy when I started, but the air was unsettled and cloud cover was very low, intermittent drizzles that didn't amount to much.  Then at about mile 5 I started running through heavy cells of rain, 30 seconds on and 30 seconds off.  Completely soaked but not a real good reason to stop.  There was no lightning or thunder, even though I listened hopefully without success.  Then that weather pattern stopped and things actually dried out a bit until sunrise.  Right at sunrise, mile 13.5, the sky got that angry look -- if you have ever lived here you know what I mean.  You know without checking that there is a severe weather warning out.  Still no thunder, though, so I kept going.  Right as the front passed, the shafts of warm and cold air became striated, I would run through warm for a while then cold then warm again.  This lasted for 5 minutes or so then it turned uniformly cool.  About 10 minutes later the clouds let loose and I was in a Texas frog strangler the rest of the way home.  2 miles of running in horizontal sheets of rain, but worst of all my neighbors all got a good look in broad daylight at the crazy guy who lives in the red brick house. 

Checked the severe weather report when I got home and it had all the predictable stuff, fast moving front, watch for funnel clouds, careful of rising water, blah, blah.  I liked this one though:  "Seek shelter in a sturdy structure or non-convertible automobile."  We have lots of rednecks around here; whenever there are tornadoes around the government tries to keep them out of trailer parks and 20-year old Cadillacs with the tops sawn off, although why I don't know.  As I think about it, though, there were no rednecks out in this weather except me.

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From allie on Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:31:32 from 161.38.218.168

ha! crazy run. i am glad you survived the storm and made it safely back to your shelter made of red bricks.

From SonofaFlatlander on Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 16:43:02 from 99.31.176.183

Nice long mileage and slogging it out in the rain. I wasn't out as long as you were, but we didn't get poured on until about 9:15. Heavy as I ever remember it.

From Steam8 on Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 16:43:38 from 166.70.55.77

Ahahahaa!! That was funny! So glad you got your run in and 16 too! Nice!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.830.000.000.0016.83

51F, 96%, NNE 4 mph, clear.  Running weather has finally returned.  I ran 16.83 miles in 2:46:34, average pace 9:54 per mile, 129 bpm, so a better run.  I would have hoped to see my LHR pace dipping below 9:30 by this point in the cycle but it hasn't happened.  Possibly because of the training load, but possibly because I am getting slower.  I'm giving it 12 weeks in any event, middle of January.  Then I will start racing again and training for Boston.  In the meantime, trying to decide whether to race in the Turkey Trot tomorrow.  Hadn't planned to but the perfect weather, temperatures and festive atmosphere is going to make it difficult to refrain.

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From SlowJoe on Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 15:22:20 from 98.201.152.210

The perfect weather is almost nervewracking because now I won't have any excuses for running bad. Not sure how to deal with that, it's so rare.

From Stephen on Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 17:11:03 from 204.182.3.236

Nicely done. May the turkeys trot. You keep running.

From Rye on Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 02:24:06 from 174.27.100.131

Nice run flat! You are once again primed for action! Enjoy your day tomorrow!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.085.110.000.0015.19

48F, 97%, ESE 2 mph and overcast, extraordinary running weather today.  I ate a big plate of fried catfish last night and woke up with the turkey trots.  One more entree goes on the pre-race verboten list.  I ran a little over 9 miles at 10.14 per mile, heart rate was all over the place but I think it was mostly a combination of a bad gut and inaccurate HRM read-out in the colder air.  Finally got things stabilized in time to leave for the race. 

We loaded up and drove to The Woodlands for the GE Run Through the Woods annual run.  I did this run last year but wasn't really interested in racing right now, trying to get in lots of base miles for the next month or two.  I took my daughter Jennifer and her husband Scott, and my son Clint.  I ran with Clint and had a good time.  Warmed up for almost a mile to get the stiffness out and got loose enough to keep up with Clint.  We ran the race (5.11 miles) at an average pace of 7:34, but I'll let him report on the details.  Altogether 15.19 miles today.

Hung with Wade awhile, ate the pancake breakfast, drove home and spent the rest of the day lounging around.  Good day.

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From SlowJoe on Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 23:03:09 from 98.201.152.210

Solid day of running, solid day of eating.

Still interested in 20 or so on Saturday? I'll shoot you an email.

From PRE on Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 00:04:42 from 99.50.213.11

Hey Flatlander, Happy Thanksgiving. Nice miles. My brother lives in the Woodlands? Mind if I ask you a few questions: That TX Marathon you did when you earned the huge medal...what was the name of that marathon, what month is it run and how far is that Marathon from the Woodlands?

Be well.

From Smooth on Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 01:22:09 from 174.27.205.151

WOW!!! AWESOME week of running! I don't think I know of anyone who run as much daily miles as you, ok may be Crockett, but seriously your running is phenomenal!

From I Just Run on Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:05:48 from 166.147.95.38

He Flat & Joe,

I'll run about 20 with you but ill have to do it up her in Joplin :-) Hope the weather is good down there, its great running weather up here so far.

From flatlander on Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:00:02 from 76.31.26.153

Joe, saw your e-mail. I am definitely on, I will get back to you with details but I think we should run in Memorial Park tomorrow, my turn to travel.

PRE, it is called the Texas Marathon, but it is over in Kingwood, on the northeast side. Probably about 30 minutes from The Woodlands. Steve puts it on every year on New Years Day, but you will have to wait until 2013, because this year's race has been full since June. Don't wait any later than that to sign up, it seems to get more popular every year.

Smooth, thanks. As I tell everybody, don't be impressed, they are slow miles. Whenever I run hard my mileage drops quickly, like this morning.

IJR, do what you have to do up there, we will be thinking about you. Hope you get good running weather, not too hot or too cold.

From JG on Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:32:19 from 71.57.246.108

Flat, awesome 5 miles ... & another 10! Great job & enjoy your 20 miler with Joe!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.130.000.000.0010.13

49F, 100%, NNE 5 mph and clear.  Nice weather but it is going to be +60 again tomorrow, just for the Saturday long run, then back to winter temps.  My achilles was a little sore this morning after all the running around yesterday, so I didn't run the full program this morning.  Ran 10.13 LHR miles in 1:39:30, average pace 9:49 per mile and 130 bpm.  Good thing I stopped early, by the time I got home my younger granddaughter was up and ready for her day, wondering where the heck I was.  According to her mother she always gets up an hour earlier at grandma's house. 

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From Steam8 on Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 17:20:08 from 166.70.55.77

Haha! So cute!

I guess your legs would be a bit sore after your 15 yesterday and now 10! I don't know how you put so many miles in!!

I am sure your grandkids will wear the rest of you out today! Happy Thanksgiving!!

From seeaprilrun on Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 21:56:09 from 205.172.12.230

When my kids go to Grandma's, they don't sleep at, they just stay up all night. Hope your Thanksgiving was lovely! You planing on watching the trials in Houston in January?

From Kelli on Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 16:57:43 from 71.219.83.156

Darn good thing Grandpa made it back in time. That would have been a tragedy, you gotta cater to the grandkids. I know I am sick in the head, but I can not WAIT to be a grandma. My oldest is almost 19 and I would be OK if she told me she was going to get married!

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving, that run in the woods sounds like fun. AND take care of the aching achilles, I think wooded running did mine in for life! ;o)

From flatlander on Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 07:56:38 from 76.31.26.153

Steam, they got in their licks on Saturday, that's for sure.

April, that's the plan, spoil them rotten then turn them over to their parents.

Kelli, it's a whole lot better than being a parent. No responsibilities. Btw, the achilles felt fine for the long run yesterday (Saturday), and it still feels OK this morning.

From I Just Run on Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:40:58 from 166.147.76.156

With a grandpa like you I understand why she gets up an hour early :-)

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20.060.000.000.0020.06

65F, 97%, SE 3 mph.  That was the reading at 4 a.m.  By the time we started running it was warmer than that, at least according to the thermometer on my car.  This is the only warm day in several weeks, looking back or forward, so of course I invited slowjoe to run slow with me.  He always comes in town when it gets really hot and muggy.  I think he misses Iraq.

We met up a Memorial Park, which is inside the main loop here in Houston.  A well-lit jogging path with a 3-mile main loop.  I stopped at a gas station for one last bathroom break and Joe was there getting some Gatorade, so we drove into the park together and started.  I had hopes of doing this one sub-8s, but with the weather and the mileage on my legs this weeks I didn't try.  Joe was a good sport and went with whatever speed I picked.  I tried to hold mid-8:20s for most of the run, but slipped occasionally into the 8:30s and one or two 8:40s. 

Once it got light we left the park and ran to downtown and back.  There were some pretty muddy trails along Buffalo Bayou, including a lot of up and down, that forced me to pick up my feet and twist and turn a lot more.  The extra effort seemed to wake up my legs and by the end of the run I was in the low 8s.  By my watch, 20.06 miles in 2:48:56, 8:25 per mile, average heart rate 161, trending toward 170 at the end.  Joe's watch measured it just a little shorter.  It was great to get together again and get caught up.

Comments
From Burt on Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 09:14:57 from 72.223.93.131

No soggy money tales this time?

From SonofaFlatlander on Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 18:56:42 from 99.97.157.54

Nice mileage. I would still like to run in Memorial one of these days, but no way was I gonna make it Saturday. Didn't stir until 9:45am. I blame Black Friday for throwing off my schedule.

From JG on Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 21:28:43 from 71.57.246.108

Glad to hear you & Joe could hook up, awesome run ... certainly not easy conditions for a 20 miler! Nice to have company on those though!!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 23:37:45 from 74.195.74.62

Good running with you - next time we'll know which urine-soaked underpasses to avoid.

From Burt on Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 02:54:03 from 174.254.20.185

Now that's what I'm talking about.

From I Just Run on Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:29:54 from 67.79.11.242

Good run guys!!!

Hey Joe, would you come to San Marcos to run my long run with me next Saturday? :-)

From Dave S on Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 23:14:46 from 4.228.192.245

Nice run and nice job on the week at almost 100 miles!

From Smooth on Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 02:21:20 from 174.27.205.151

AWESOME 20 miler to top off a GREAT mileage week!!! NICE pace on a warm day too!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
16.070.000.000.0016.07

35F, 61%, NNW 5 mph.  16.07 LHR miles in 2:43:21, average 10:10 per mile.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.460.000.000.0010.46

35F, 88%, W 4 mph.  It was as cold yesterday and today as it was warm on Saturday.  I ran with long pants yesterday and decided they weren't really necessary, so just shorts today (long sleeves, gloves and beanie though), and that worked better.  Much faster, plus I am probably better recovered by now from the paces Joe put me through on Saturday.  Didn't have time to do a full run, and a little concerned anyway whether I can sustain 16 through the whole week, so I ran 10.46 LHR miles in 1:40:12, average pace 9:35 per mile.  It went well, nothing over 9:40 after the first mile, sort of gives me hope that this base stuff will help.  Did leg weights afterward and pushed it a little harder, I can feel it today.

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From Steam8 on Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 20:49:34 from 166.70.55.77

You have been pumping out the miles. I love that you were able to run with Joe....how fun! I lived by Herman Memorial Park when we lived in Houston. I would always take my 2 yr old there and ride the train and then go to the zoo. I wish I could visit and go for a run!

From SlowJoe on Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:24:03 from 74.195.74.62

That Joe guy sounds like a real jerk.

Glad you are finally getting some good running weather. Summer will be here before you know it!

From Rye on Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 00:12:44 from 174.27.122.238

I've been thinking, I think the reason why you two hit it off so well (joe and flat) is because you both like wearing the same ugly orange shirt.

From seeaprilrun on Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 00:13:47 from 205.172.12.229

LOL Rye!

From I Just Run on Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 00:24:36 from 166.147.79.144

Wait a minute Rye...what do you have against Orange shirts? I have one on in my blog picture too!

From Rye on Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 00:32:49 from 174.27.122.238

Oops!

From Rye on Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 00:41:39 from 174.27.122.238

What is it with you Texans. I offered Joe a nice Redsox running shirt a while back and he basically told me to take a hike. Is it your state color or something? I don't make a ton of money, but I would be willing to part with some of it to purchase a different color for you Texans,so I don't have to look at those shirts and tank(IJR)

From flatlander on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:41:08 from 64.129.54.210

Steam, thanks, you should come in for the Trials in January. Looks like several bloggers will be getting together the night before.

Joe, can't wait for summer, that's for sure.

Rye, yep, Joe wears it for the first half and then I get to wear it. You should see me without it.

IJR, loved how you spelled it with a capital "O".

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.230.000.000.0020.23

41F, 75%, calm and clear.  20.23 LHR miles in 3:21:02, average 9:56 per mile.  LHR pace started to drift in the last two miles, otherwise did OK.  Won't be running on Friday, so trying to run a little longer today and tomorrow.

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From I Just Run on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:34:01 from 67.79.11.242

You've got to be kidding...20.23! When do you sleep?

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.150.000.000.0020.15

38F, 100%, calm and clear.  No complaints about the weather this week, nearly perfect.  I ran 20 again because I won't be running tomorrow.  Couldn't make myself do another LHR run as long as yesterday, so I sped up and it was more fun, though my legs are feeling it now and I am not clear as to the purpose of running much in-between speed like this, especially after doing the same thing last Saturday.  I went out very early because all of a sudden I am self-conscious about my wardrobe.  (Maybe Rye can suggest some new colors?)  So I finished shortly after dawn.  Ran 20.15 miles in 2:51:02, average pace 8:29 per mile.  A little slower than Saturday, but I tanked it a little because Joe is in Abilene.

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From I Just Run on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:41:03 from 67.79.11.242

Your Garmin must be stuck on 20 miles...you should check it out, there's got to be something wrong :-)

I can hear the Ultra's calling you! BTW, I really like your orange shirt and really like your matching shoe strings :-)

From JG on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:42:40 from 71.57.246.108

Great run Flat! That is a long sustained effort, really impressive stepping out the door into temps in the 30' s while the sun was still sound asleep!

From flatlander on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:47:28 from 64.129.54.210

Preston, honestly might be just the weather, but I have felt stronger the last few days. I am hoping it is all of the long, slow runs building up endurance. I have six more weeks of it before I go back to a regular mix of fast and slow. Today's run was probably cheating a little.

From SlowJoe on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 15:49:47 from 132.3.53.68

Wow, I get nervous just to do 20-milers 7 days apart and you're doing them back-to-back.

From SlowJoe on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 15:58:44 from 132.3.53.68

and I should add....very impressive!

From rockness18 on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 17:00:04 from 75.13.67.119

Great run!!

From Dave S on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 17:07:31 from 4.254.222.113

Nice! When I saw those back to back 20s I had the same thought as IJR about the ultras.

From Burt on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 17:18:01 from 68.14.209.26

I think Steam8 can fit you into a nice running skirt.

From Steam8 on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 17:21:18 from 166.70.55.77

Are you out running in tights? haha!

I CANNOT BELIEVE...20 in 2:51 for just one of your weekly runs! I would be jumping for joy if I was that fast! Nice run!!!

From SonofaFlatlander on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 19:29:39 from 99.97.157.54

Holy miles! Contrast this 40+ with my last two days: 2 snooze buttons.

From Rye on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 22:48:58 from 174.27.78.132

Finally getting to you..... I'm still trying to get rid of the thought of you and joe sharing a running shirt, or maybe it's you running without a shirt. I do have to say that you do a fine job of coordinating colors if indeed those shoe laces are orange. I did run a pretty fast mile in a red jersey.... may want to consider that. Great run today. Feeling good? It sure appears so!

From flatlander on Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 12:24:57 from 76.31.26.153

IJR, thanks for noticing the shoelaces. That is very perceptive.

JG, thanks, probably a little too fast for my ability, but I went out and did the same thing today, really need to get back on the wagon.

Joe, thanks, its all relative, certain runners on this blog are a wee bit faster, won't name any names.

Rock and Dave, thanks, there are no ultras in my future right now. Too hard to train for them and I still have the marathon bug.

Burt and Steam, maybe you need to form a committee? I can see I will need veto rights though.

Clint, snooze buttons don't work after you turn 40, sorry to tell you. Once that happens, you might as well get up and run.

Rye, you are getting to me all right. I'll keep my eyes open for something in a nice Sox red.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
12.008.010.000.0020.01

63F, 93%, SE 12 mph, cloudy and trying to do something, unsuccessfully.  Just a warm and muggy morning, pretty typical even for this late in the year.  They never last long this time of year, and all the lows next week are being forecast in the 30s, along with some moisture and wind, so I didn't mind being comfortable this morning even if it was a little warm.

After traveling yesterday I got in late-ish and had a nice dinner at a restaurant with the family, but it did put me to bed a little later than I planned.  I was originally going to get up very early to run down to the Y and run with Wade once I got there, but I slept a little longer, drove instead and did the first 12 with him starting at 5:30, thinking I wouldn't do much more after that.  We went out at a pretty good clip with Eric, another runner in the group who is targeting 3:15 at Boston next year.  After two miles he sped up and we stayed at the same speed, maybe a little slower, ended up averaging 8:25 for the 12. 

Then I chatted a bit, tanked up on water and went back out.  Pretty stiff to get going and the re-start first mile was 8:37, but I kept pushing the issue and the second one at 7:47, at which point it was game on and I decided to do a full 20.  Pretty tired toward the end but I did the next 8 at a 7:47 average, including the slower first mile.  Overall 20.01 miles in 2:43:38, average pace 8:11 per mile.

I need to stop talking about my no-injury streak.  The topic came up today during the run, and sure enough about 15 minutes after I finished running my right achilles started complaining.  I have it iced now and I think it will be OK, but this happens every time I brag about how healthy I am.

Comments
From SlowJoe on Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 14:32:32 from 74.195.74.62

You are officialy out of control now with all these 20-milers.

Great, run and great finish. I'm making a note not to think about my recent non-injured streak.

From ACorn on Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 19:00:27 from 24.2.76.146

Awesome miles flat! Take care of the achilles.

From Mack on Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 01:21:34 from 50.39.193.169

Way to log some great miles flat!!

From Dan on Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 14:22:52 from 24.209.83.20

Great miles! And good advice on the non-injury talk. I used to say that....

From I Just Run on Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 14:06:41 from 166.205.12.23

Could I come to Houston and let you drag me along for 20...? I seem to be in a rut and can't accompish that goal. It seems so easy for you :-) Way to run!!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

Went out the door at 4 a.m. ready to get started on my week and was met by a thunderstorm.  Scurried back in and went to work.  Ended up running 10 on the treadmill while watching MNF, not a bad tradeoff to dodging lightning bolts in the rain.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.430.000.000.0020.43

37F, 95%, NNE 7 mph.  Ran 8.07 LHR miles before the seminary run, average pace 10:16 per mile, not too good after running late last night.  Went to work and ran from downtown to Memorial Park, around the loop and back, using the new workout facilities (i.e., shower) in our building.  About the same temperature as this morning, total run late this afternoon was 12.36 miles according to the computer.  I ran it by LHR feel, but don't know my pace or how long it took because I left the Garmin at home and forgot to check the time when I left.  Felt kind of sloggy toward the end, but not too bad.  Ran under the same homeless person bridge that Joe and I ran under a week ago Saturday.  Still nobody there, but it was almost dark and there are bats under there.  Wind was very heavy and cold.

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From Rye on Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 23:43:53 from 75.174.13.127

You are a mileage kIng! I've never experienced a heavy wind. What's that like? Good run.

From SonofaFlatlander on Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 07:26:26 from 139.52.181.19

animal

From Steam8 on Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 17:16:52 from 166.70.55.77

10 yesterday and 20 today??? WoW! My legs would be dead!! Nice workout!!

From allie on Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 21:11:36 from 24.10.191.18

i'm deathly afraid of bats.

20 on a tuesday...there is no end to your energy.

From flatlander on Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 23:15:16 from 166.249.199.159

allie, never really thought about it, but they are really ugly now that you mention it.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
9.120.000.000.009.12

28F, 81% NW 7 mph.  Air very heavy and cold.  Bundled up with double layers and either the cold or my clothing slowed me down pretty good.  Ran 9.12 LHR miles before the seminary run in 1:36:00, 10:32 per mile, one of my slower paces in recent memory.  No afternoon run.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.950.000.000.0019.95

27F, 80% and calm.  With no wind and lower humidity the conditions were much better today.  Still way bundled up, but didn't feel as cold.  Ran 10.95 LHR miles in 1:50:52, average 10:08 per mile.

PM:  9 on the TM just before bed, then slept like a baby.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.150.000.000.0010.15

46F, 81%, E 4 mph and cloudy.  Back to regular winter running weather.  Felt a lot better, either because of no long pants or warmer temperatures, not sure which.  Ran 10.15 LHR miles in 1:39:34, average pace 9:49 per mile, finished up before the seminary run, which meant that I started very early.  It was me and the lady dropping papers, that was it for the street life in my neighborhood.  A large owl flew in front of me and settled into the top of a tree.  Later on I heard him hooting from across the lake, it was pretty cool, hope he found a rodent.

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From JG on Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 18:04:27 from 71.59.27.33

Another solid week! Good job, what is your next marathon?

From Steam8 on Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 21:43:04 from 166.70.55.77

WOW...someday I would love to be able to pump out the miles that you do! You are amazing! 10 before the seminary run?? Did you start at 1 in the morning?? No wonder you were getting hooted at by an owl! Nice week of running!!!!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:14:01 from 74.195.74.62

Good week - you don't see many owls around.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.202.000.000.0013.20

48F, 62%, ENE 7 mph.  Met the group at the Y and ran with Wade and a 50+ guy named Dave who just ran 3:39 at Dallas White Rock last weekend.  He was stretching his legs out.  We did 13.20 miles in 1:52:06, average pace 8:30 per mile, average heart rate 148 bpm.  Wade averaged about 140, he is really responding to this cool weather, more than I am.  We ran with Dave until mile 11, had about an 8:45 average, then Wade took off and I followed him.  Ran a 7:30 then a 7:15, eventually caught Wade.  Felt good, and I still had some reserves left, which felt even better.  Then went to the church tonight for a Christmas party and ate too much sugar -- so I broke even for the day.

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From Smooth on Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:25:33 from 174.27.205.151

NICE run! With your high mileage you can afford to eat like a party every day!!! :)

From Stephen on Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:56:12 from 204.182.3.236

"50+" What you say is what you are.

From Rye on Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 13:42:52 from 174.27.93.160

What's up with the ward parties and all the food anyway? We are a bunch of pigs!

From Steam8 on Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 21:56:46 from 166.70.55.77

Definitely pigs! I love ward parties!

Nice half marathon time! I am hoping to get my time down from 1:59 for a half down to what you ran it in before Boston.

Nice run and definitely nice to run off those calories!

From Kelli on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 20:11:03 from 71.219.80.158

That is why we run, so we can break even when we choose to eat!!!

From I Just Run on Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:43:38 from 67.79.11.242

No Flat on the Blog for a while...that's strange, hope everything's all right!

From flatlander on Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 22:56:03 from 166.249.199.159

Smooth, I suppose. The more I run the more I realize how useless sugar is. I still eat it though.

Stephen, just cause I called him 50 doesn't make me 50. I'll be under 40 by the end of next year.

Rye, don't know about your ward, but vegetable trays, turkey burgers and ice water aren't going to cut it for us.

Steam, I suppose it's OK if I run before pigging out, right?

IJR, thanks for checking in, sorry for tardiness.

From Kelli on Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 00:25:02 from 71.219.80.158

Ward parties are typically the most fattening events I attend! That is why I go religiously. ;o)

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.200.000.000.0010.20

48F, 62%, ENE 7 mph.  10.20 miles in 1:38:28, average 9:39 per mile.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.050.000.000.0020.05

64F, 100%, SE 13 mph.  Warm, humid and windy.  Ran 10 at 4:00, did the seminary run then 10 more.  20.05 miles in 3:10:52, average 9:31 per mile.  Ran first 10 at LHR, about 10:10, then sped up for the last 10 to about 8:45 to 9:00 pace.  Then worked all night and went to bed just in time to turn off my alarm.

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From I Just Run on Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 15:34:03 from 12.162.141.2

Wow...I bet you were tired...! Glad you got the 20 in!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
11.000.000.000.0011.00

54F, 92%, NNE 8-17.  Cooling off, but my Garmin battery was dead so I didn't get an accurate distance.  Based on where I ran it was about 11 miles; tried to keep it slow but I think I might have run too fast at times.  Work has been brutal, plus I have travel coming up first half of next week.  It is Chicago, not sure how much I can run.  I don't even own a trench coat -- isn't that what you wear in Chicago?  Then traveling again on New Years Day.  Hard to keep the routine going.

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From I Just Run on Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 15:35:44 from 12.162.141.2

I know what you mean about keeping the routine going...It's a busy time of the year!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.090.000.000.0020.09

51F, 89%, NE 10 mph.  The temperature seemed lower and the wind heavier than officially.  Was planning to meet Wade at 4:45 to run to the Y and meet up with the group.  My alarm went off as scheduled, then the next thing I knew it was 4:30.  Luckily I was able to get Wade on his cell so he wasn't standing in the cold waiting for me.  Left the house at 4:50, met Wade at 5:05 and we proceeded to the Y for a 5:50 start running faster than we intended, had 7 miles by the time we got there, just right for a well timed visit to the facilities.  We met up with two other guys, Mike and David and the four of us were quickly back out for another 4 or 5 before Wade and I headed back to his house.  Left Wade there at mile 14 and ran to my neighborhood and finished the last miles here.  20.05 miles in 2:51:09, average pace 8:31 per mile, maxHR 168, aveHR 154. I managed to speed up a little after I left Wade, down to 8:09 on the last mile, but I have all kinds of cramping in my calf today, like I ran a marathon instead of a medium-paced 20 miles.

On the way to the Y we ran into a guy who had two young german shepherds with him -- loose.  They would just play as long as we were walking but would want to bite whenever we started running.  He was yelling at them to no avail.  Finally another runner came from the other direction and it was his problem.  About two minutes later we met a group of 20 or so runners coming up out of the Y, I bet that was interesting when they found the dogs, but there was no blood or yellow tape on the trail when we ran back, so maybe it all worked out.

Not sure, but I think I'm getting old.  Wade's heart rate was running 7 to 10 bpm less than mine this morning, a year ago it was the other way around.  Part of it is him getting better, but my LHR pace has not improved during this base phase, for which there is only about 4 weeks left.  Wade thinks it is stress and lack of sleep, and that may be part of it, but not the whole story.  I ordered some books to see if I can figure things out.  If I have run a lifetime PR already, so be it, but not conceding anything quite yet. 

Comments
From Smooth on Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 17:05:37 from 174.27.214.60

NICE run with friends! Glad there was no *crime scene* left by the German Sherpherds. Those dogs scare me! Another reason to run *in packs*!!! :)

You are not getting old. Sometimes I think our fitness plateau. I haven't used a HRM forever. I do notice from my yearly check up that my resting heart rate creeps up ever so slightly. It used to be in the 40s now it is in the 50s. Stress and lack of sleep definitely affects it. I LOVE that you have such a strong desire to figure things out to not give up on improving your fitness and attaining a PR. I'll be interested to find out what you learn from your reading and experimenting.

I think your improvement in marathon times is very impressive. In just two years you shaved off 2 hours 21 min. That is phenomenal! :)

From SlowJoe on Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 19:12:36 from 74.195.74.62

Great 20 today and nice move with the dogs -- in basketball that's a pick-and-roll, right?

Good on you for getting the books and doing the research. I definitely don't believe you've gotten a lifetime PR though. You might not run another sub-5 mile but I bet you will keep building the endurance and get a breakthrough before Boston.

From Rye on Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 00:37:40 from 174.27.101.93

You seem to have adventures on your long runs. I must have a boring life!

From I Just Run on Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 08:04:27 from 166.147.76.232

I was getting worried...hadn't seen a 39 miler for a while! I agree with the stress and lack if sleep.

Rye, seriously...you run a treadmill all the time...BOARING...!!!

From Steam8 on Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 00:31:26 from 166.70.55.77

I can't believe you can find friends that will run with you! I don't know very many people other than SLOWJOE that could keep up! I don't know how you pump out so many miles a week and never get injured! You aren't old! YOur body is in great shape!!

From Rye on Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 23:54:27 from 75.174.11.217

So what is up flat? Are you traveling the world, shopping or just being a ...... lawyer. Hope that all is well with you and the family.

From I Just Run on Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:49:36 from 67.79.11.242

Merry Christmas Flat...!

From JG on Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 23:22:39 from 71.59.27.33

What books did you order? RLRF says you can run a sub 3:30 ... just ask IJR! :)

Merry Christmas!!

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.130.000.000.0010.13

53F, 86% and calm.  Got out early, still in Houston, ran 10.13 miles in 1:44:17, average pace 10:17 per mile, not a good run, probably too little sleep.  My wife was up when I got back, demanding to know what I thought I was doing, good question.  Then caught a 7:20 flight to Chicago and was in meetings by 10:00, so the week was off to a fast start even though I ran slow.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

Treadmill miles only this morning, schedule is very heavy.  6 miles at 10-minute pace at the hotel.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
6.000.000.000.006.00

More treadmill stuff, but less time this morning, I did the first mile at 6 mph and ramped up 0.5 mph each mile, last mile was 8.5 mph (7:03).  It wasn't easy, but my legs felt strong, was feeling pretty happy all day about this progression run, maybe the long slow miles are actually going to have a payoff.  Got back to Houston late at night but stayed up even later looking at my new heart rate books that came in. 

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.000.000.000.0010.00

I went out early this morning and it was raining with thunder, so I slunk back inside and drove meekly to work.  Finally got on the TM tonight and finished up 10 just now.  It has been a tough week, family is starting to arrive for Christmas, everybody will be here by tomorrow night, the house will be rockin'.

Comments
From Steam8 on Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 20:13:47 from 166.70.55.77

Sounds fun! I hope you have a Merry Christmas and enjoy every second of your family!!

From flatlander on Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 13:45:42 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks Steam, same to you.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
18.360.000.000.0018.36

47F, 83%, NNW 8 mph.  Good running weather but not a good run.  Clint thinks I had fatigue left in my legs from running 10 late Thursday night and he is probably right.  Beats some of the apocalyptic diagnoses I came up with.  I ran 18.36 LHR miles in 3:14:35, average pace 10:35 per mile, 131 bpm.  Each mile was slower than the previous one, starting in the low 10s with the last at 11:01.  Pretty discouraging but I finished it and went to work.

Comments
From Burt on Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 13:05:00 from 72.223.93.131

Reverse progression. It's a good thing. Say hi to the family for me.

From flatlander on Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 13:46:16 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks Burt, hey I did a little better today. It's only when I try to run slow that I run slow.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
20.090.000.000.0020.09

46F, 85%, NNE 16 mph.  Didn't want to go out this morning, but finally drug myself out at 5:45 after promising myself I would quit at 10 if I still wasn't feeling it.  The plan today was to run 20 at my old BQ pace, just didn't know if I had it in me after yesterday's drag-a-thon.  Ran the first one in 9:23, then 8:36 and 8:20, so I was in the zone, then miraculously ran into Dave and Keith from the weekend running group.  They were already in mile 11 of a 20-miler, so I invited myself to run with them.  Keith stopped for a bathroom break and I left Dave in his neighborhood at mile 10, average pace at that point was 8:42 and it was a huge boost having company for the first 10.  I picked it up a little on the way back, trying not to run too hard, and ended up with an 8:35 average, exactly 2 minutes per mile faster than yesterday.  Overall 20.09 miles in 2:52:31.  I was no less tired than yesterday, running this speed exercises a different system than LHR runs, that's for sure.

It was great running weather, lots of runners out and all in a good mood.  I was in an even better mood because they were all slower than me -- is that proper?

Merry Christmas all you great bloggers!

Comments
From Dave S on Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 14:06:39 from 4.253.103.10

Nice run! I don't know how you do that the day after running 18. Nice job getting it done.

Merry Christmas!

From Kelli on Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 16:45:22 from 71.219.80.158

WOW, those are some serious miles in two days for sure! Great job on the early morning run, I really thought today was a holiday and everyone would sleep in like me!

Have a great Christmas!!!

From Smooth on Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 03:07:59 from 75.162.95.99

WOW! AWESOME speedy 20 miler and just a day after the long run. :)

Merry Christmas to you and yours! :)

From SlowJoe on Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 15:53:54 from 74.195.74.62

Amazing the difference a day can make. Great finish to a tough week, hope you're having a great Christmas!

From I Just Run on Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 18:55:53 from 166.147.79.93

Nice run....!

Yes its proper, it would be a real treat to find someone around me that was slower than me...or even someone that was faster than me :-)

From Rye on Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 20:10:19 from 174.27.79.220

Flat that's a great run! I have always found great pleasure seeing someone slower ........ Which doesn't happen too often. Have a great Christmas.

From Kelli on Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 16:31:36 from 71.219.80.158

Are you hibernating since Christmas??? ;o)

From Rye on Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 00:34:45 from 75.174.15.82

Hey Flat where are you?

From Steam8 on Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:44:59 from 166.70.55.77

DANG! Nice run! Two minutes per mile faster!

Are you running the Houston Marathon?

From Steam8 on Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 17:34:13 from 166.70.55.77

You alive? What is up???? Taking some time off???

From flatlander on Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 23:24:27 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks for the comments and for checking in everybody. I really appreciate it. Everything is fine, but end-of-year schedule has been very heavy. Running is not very organized right now.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.100.000.000.0010.10

46F, 93%, W 5 mph.  Ran 10.10 miles in 1:40.22, average 9:56 per mile.  It's now Friday night and I don't remember anything about this run, good thing I wrote it down.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
19.350.000.000.0019.35

33F, 93%, ESE 2 mph.  10.07 miles in 1:40:08, 9:57 per mile.

PM 59F, 55%, S 4 mph.  9.28 miles.  Ran it from work, kind of hard but don't know how hard.  Didn't have a watch or a heart rate monitor.  Ran from downtown along Buffalo Bayou to the corner of the Memorial Park loop and back.  In the Memorial Village area there is a running/biking/swimming store, so I stopped to buy body glide.  They had everything on sale and were trying to sell me more stuff.  I finally pointed out my sweaty condition and reminded them I was on foot.  They laughed and let me go.  My old stick was down to tiny bits.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.180.000.000.0010.18

Early a.m., ran 10.18 miles in 1:43:26, average 10:09 per mile.  Forgot to write down the weather.  Took my wife's parents to the airport.  Last night we had 15 people at the house, but they are leaving quickly now, Christmas is almost over.  That's all.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
10.200.000.000.0010.20

70F, 56%, SE 3 mph in the late afternoon, close to 60F by the time I finished.  Kind of a reverse run, started out in broad daylight and ended up so dark I couldn't see my feet.  This run was nice, never thought 70 could feel so comfortable.  I was actually cold by the time I finished.  The air was very un-Houston like, almost smelled like running in Utah at the end of the day, except the air was heavier.  This is my new favorite running weather.

This week has been pretty hit and miss running-wise.  We have been in a death march at work for the last 10 days, trying to get a deal closed by 12:30 this afternoon.  We have had that deadline for about a week, and we finished about 5 minutes early.  Spent the afternoon paying property taxes, figuring out income taxes, finishing off church contributions, generally getting ready for a long business trip that starts on Sunday.  Feels good to be done with that deal, but now I'm jumping into another one.  There probably won't be much running for a couple of weeks, but that might be OK.  For whatever reason (this is not a whine) my body is not responding to training right now, in terms of heart rate at least.  But I feel great when I run -- very confusing. 

Heading to Huntsville in the morning for a trail run with Wade.

Oh yeah, I forgot, 10.20 miles in 1:42:32, average pace 10:03 per mile.

Comments
From derhammer on Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:05:50 from 70.113.125.159

Wow - it's amazing that you can still squeeze a run in with that schedule.

Have fun on the trail!

From SlowJoe on Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 15:43:12 from 74.195.74.62

Looks like you've had a crazy week, but still managed to keep up some solid running. Well done! Hope things slow down for you eventually at work.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
17.610.000.000.0017.61

50F, 89%, calm and heavy fog.  Wade and I drove to Huntsville State Park with the object of running a lap of the Rocky Raccoon 100.  We are planning to pace D. Crockett in about a month when he runs the real thing, so it seemed like a good idea to check it out.  We got there just before daylight and puttered around a little bit until it got light.  The sun never broke through the fog, so the weather was nothing to complain about.

This trail is soft and well-marked, but has roots sticking up almost the entire distance.  For an old klutz like me it was impossible to pick up my feet on every step -- I went down twice, stubbed my toe badly twice and got a mild twisted ankle once, so I have battle scars.  (This afternoon I was taking a quick nap waiting for Clint and Becky to arrive at the airport, and everytime I would drift off my foot would catch a root and I was falling all over again until I woke up, so counting those I fell a total of 7 times today.)  Wade had one close call but he never fell.  There were several other runners out there doing the same thing (running, not falling), one couple was running the trail like it was a track.

I ran in my Jingas, curious as to whether they would do for trail running.  They were OK, but I wore an old pair with thicker soles, and the soles were coming off by the time I finished.  Off to the landfill for those shoes, I'm going to have to figure out something else, don't want to wear heavy shoes.

A lap is 20 miles, but we quit a little early because we had to get home, almost noon by the time we got back.  Time goes quickly on Saturdays when you don't start before sun up.  17.61 miles at 10:27 per mile.  This was a tough run.  Next step is to try it in the dark.  Not sure I'm going to be able to do two laps with Mr. Crockett, and I'm not sure how anybody does five.

Comments
From Andrea on Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 19:28:50 from 67.177.21.60

I can't imagine running a trail in the dark...with all the roots and on exhausted legs, seems like a disaster waiting to happen! I guess it's all part of the challenge :)

From Rye on Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 20:52:05 from 174.27.105.171

I hear you on the shoes! After a week I can't imagine going back to heavier shoes. Thanks for your friendship this past year and the good thoughts while I healed up. I guess some lawyers are okay after all. Keep an eye out for the buzzards! Good luck this week.

From Kelli on Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 22:21:58 from 71.219.66.129

I do not get how anyone runs on those trails in the dark, it absolutely freaks me out! Practice makes perfect, I suppose (and Crockett, as we know, is just a freak!) Sorry about the falls, I feel your pain and that is why trails scare me!

GREAT YEAR this year, your mileage kicked my butt!!!!

From Benny's on Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 22:54:17 from 24.170.92.226

Nice run!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 12:23:53 from 74.195.74.62

I know that I am too clumsy for trails, based on my limited experience with them...same things happen to me. Should be pretty fun pacing him all the same. Good run.

From Claudio on Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 15:17:36 from 67.234.206.173

Excellent job finishing off the year getting ready for an early challenge in the new one. Happy trails in the new year flatlander!

From Smooth on Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 23:48:02 from 75.162.95.99

CONGRATZ on a GREAT mileage year! Flat!

WAY to get out on the trail! Sorry about the spill. I am going to run the Orphan Hope Marathon which is in Huntsville Stake Park next month. Now you have me scared about those roots. I am as clumsy as they come. :)

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

From I Just Run on Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 00:32:40 from 166.147.79.163

Trail running, I think I'm afraid of that. I'm sure I'd fall too. Way to finish off a big year of running!

From Steam8 on Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 17:57:50 from 166.70.55.77

I'm always tripping on tree roots. That is how I got my first set of stitches at 21 after falling on a trail run. They are dangerous! haha!

Running with Crockett sounds like so much fun! What an adventure!

From allie on Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 18:14:52 from 97.75.165.156

nice way to end the year, jinga man.

From I Just Run on Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 18:16:35 from 67.79.11.242

Ha ha... Allie, I like that name for Flat... Jinga Man :-)

From Kelli on Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 23:03:14 from 71.219.84.120

Did you trip and fall in a hole and off the face of the earth??

HI!!!

From flatlander on Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 23:26:30 from 210.71.190.43

Andrea, I just did the close-your-eyes-and-stand-on-one-leg test. Supposedly if you can't do it for 15 seconds you are a klutz. One second was about it -- I think I will have a short trail running career.

Thanks Rye, same to you.

Kelli, I am actually a little bit afraid of the dark, always have been, proud of it. I need to practice on that trail in the dark and I am not sure how I am going to get up the nerve to go out there alone.

Thanks Benny, hope you get some more fast races in this year.

Joe, see above!

Thanks Claudio, you are looking good right now.

Smooth, I forgot you were coming up for that. I'm guessing you will be running some of the same trails, but I don't think you will have as much problem as I did.

IJR, we just don't have enough of them here to get good at it. Probably easier for where you live though.

Steam, now you've got me really frightened. The one good thing though is that if you manage to not fall on a root or a rock, going down in the woods seems so much more "natural" than doing it on concrete. I've tried both.

allie, that one does have a ring to it, good name for a flim flam artist.

Kelli, I posted now.

From Kelli on Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 23:34:33 from 71.219.84.120

Thanks for posting!

I had to start my 50 miler in the dark and I was terrified (Buffalo and all!) Get a REALLY good headlamp and bring company.

Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
2648.03468.87136.595.303258.79
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