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Location:

Cypress,TX,

Member Since:

Oct 10, 2009

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

5K: 24:22 (March 2010); 22:33 (October 2010); 20:47 (May 2011); 21:05 (May 2012); 21:33 (September 2012); 21:23 (November, 2013); 22:31 (September 2014)

5M:  39:22 (November, 2012); 35:54 (November, 2013); 36:03 (March, 2015)

10K: 44:08 (November, 2010); 49:20 (July, 2013); 44:07 (April, 2015)

12K:  56:03 (December, 2013); 58:58 (December, 2014)

10M:  1:11:58 (October, 2012); 1:15:24 (October, 2014)

Half Marathon:  1:53:xx (London's Run 2010); 2:05:21 (Cowtown 2010); 1:37:04 (Gusher 2011); 1:42:19 (Huntsville 2011); 1:33:47 (Baytown Jailbreak 2012); 1:33:50 (The Woodlands 2012); 1:42:52 (Texas 2015); 1:49:17 (Jailbreak 2015); 1:38:34 (The Woodlands 2015)

25K: 2:01:47 (Fifth Third River Bank, May 2014)

Marathon: 5:51:35 (Texas Marathon 2009); 6:21:36 (Ogden 2009); 4:58:29 (St. George 2009); 4:13:45 (Texas Marathon 2010); 4:04:12 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2010); 5:11:14 (Hartford ING, 2010); 3:41:43 (Richmond SunTrust, 2010); 3:39:27 (Texas Marathon 2011); 3:41:46 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2011); 3:30:35 (St. George 2011); 3:41:51 (Richmond 2012); 3:49:15 (Texas 2013); 3:46:59 (Paavo Nurmi, 2013); 3:34:04 (St. George 2013); 3:49:51 (Texas 2014); 3:31:59 (Richmond 2014); 3:28:34 (Boston 2015)

Short-Term Running Goals:

3:20, 1:30, 0:20

Long-Term Running Goals:

I'm 60, there is no long term.

Personal:

I live, work and run in Houston, Texas.  I have run 17 marathons, some good ones and some others.  I prefer straight, flat, cold, sea-level marathons, still waiting for my first one.  I feel like there are more PRs out there.  When I have them, I am told it is time to dial it back, run for healthy reasons.  I'm sure that's right, and I'm sure it won't happen.

My wife and I are from the mountains of the west.  We have five kids, three granddaughters and three grandsons.  The kids and grandkids are native Texans but we are not -- you have to be born here.

As for my blog title: I run most of my miles before sunrise, sometimes hours before. On the back road of my neighborhood two hours before daylight, I can depend on a pack of mutts behind the boundary fence lighting up when they hear my footsteps. I have wondered what they wanted; but according to Hemingway I needn't ask.

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I think the problem was dehydration, and it was caused by an inability to process liquids or nutrients.  This has happened at all three marathons I have run at this altitude, and to a lesser extent at St. George.  I was able to push through better than those races, but it was the same old battle.  Maybe lack of sleep, maybe too much traveling, maybe too much unusual food this week -- if it was altitude I don't see the connection, because my heart rate was too low today, not too high.

I stayed in Midway last night and my brother drove his son and me to the start line.  Got a little extra sleep that way, but it wasn't much.  I ate a bagel and drank some orange juice, but the bagel felt heavy in my stomach, like it was just sitting there.  I figured it would be fine by the gun, but it turned out to be an omen.  I wandered around for a while, found Smooth and some others, hooked up with Byron and Marci, (brother-in-law and sister-in-law), and was talking to them when the gun went off.  Checked my watch and it was 6:00 straight up.  The logistics on this race have improved a lot, this is now one of the better-run races I am familiar with, definitely attracting fast runners and has the potential to grow exponentially if they want it to.

It's OK to stop reading now, but just for the record, here are my splits (no HR until third mile)

1-5:  8:25, 7:31, 7:37 (165), 7:56 (161), 8:02 (157).  First mile I realized I was too far back in the pack, but didn't mind taking it slow to warm up.  I was into a rhythm by the second mile but had to back off when my heart rate reading started to show, so fourth and fifth miles were intentionally slower.  At this point I realized I had stomach problems, but there were lines at all the PoPs, so I kept going, felt strong otherwise.  I took a drink at all the aid stations until late in the race when I knew it was coming back up.  Also took EFS at miles 5 and 10 but couldn't stomach it after that.

6-10:  7:56 (159), 7:59 (160), 8:47 (162), 8:50 (160), 7:51 (158).  8 and 9 were the hills, pretty much managed to keep my heart rate down but the pace suffered.  Still no available PoPs.  At this point I was still racing according to plan and I thought that even with a 1-minute PoP stop I could still get a good time once we started down the canyon.  Took my last swig of EFS.

11-15:  7:50 (161), 10:18 (157), 8:04 (164), 7:55 (165), 7:57 (165).  Lost 2-1/2 minutes at the PoP just after mile 11, ended up waiting, should have just pushed through to the half, where there were millions of open ones.  Mental error, but it wasn't the story of the day.  By this time I had pushed my heart rate up into the 160-165 range and was still getting sub-8 miles fairly often, but things were happening and I was getting pretty worried.  My legs didn't like the constant downhill, but that wasn’t the story either.  I just wasn't processing liquids.

16-20:  8:18 (165), 8:30 (165), 8:08 (161), 7:58 (161), 8:28 (162).  Was supposed to go to 165-170 on heart rate at this point, but was fighting my stomach pretty badly.  Felt lucky just to maintain low 8s on the downhill parts.

21-26.2:  8:15 (164), 8:34 (161), 8:50 (161) (mile 23 at Richmond was 7:53), 10:03 (155) (I think there was a hill right here), 9:18 (155), 9:08 (157) and 9:11 pace for last .37, overall 26.36 miles at 8:25 pace.  (I showed the course as .14 long, would be interested to see what others' readouts were.  If it was long I know exactly where it happened, most of the miles were exactly on according to my Garmin.)  By this point in time my heart rate was about 20 bpm lower than it would have been for a good race.  Pretty much pure agony in this stretch, I was counting down by the tenths of a mile.  I came very close to giving up and walking it in, but I was pretty sure I would throw up if I stopped so I somehow kept going.  The aqua blue finish line balloons were visible from a ways away, which gave me the mental energy I needed to finish.

There was a woman who appeared to be in my age group that I followed down the canyon, could never get ahead of her without ruining my race plan (not that much was left of it by this point), then she pulled away coming down University, beat me by about 3 minutes.  I found her afterwards and asked her as delicately as I could how old she was, as in "How old are you?"  She was 55 but didn't know how she had done in her age group.  Turns out she broke the 55-59 women's age group record by 23 minutes.  She is from Kansas, but obviously wasn't having altitude problems.  (Actually, I don't know that, she might be a 3:20 marathoner for all I know, but if she is she is probably the fastest runner in her age group in the country.  This is another reason I think it was my stomach more than the altitude.)  On the men's side, the age group record was also broken by a 14-minute margin, somebody ran 3:00 flat.  If I had run close to my projection, in the 3:17 to 3:25 range, I would have finished third, instead it was 13th.  My nephew Brian ran 3:19, which was a 10-minute PR for him.  He is off to medical school, so I'm guessing he won't be running many more marathons for a while.  Good runner.

Feeling slightly beat up this morning, but I survived to run another day.  I still have a Friday registration at Boston, so I'll probably get in anyway.  I have no injuries, and have run for more than a year now with no serious injuries.  I am thankful I can run and stay healthy, good day or bad day.

Comments
From Dan on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 17:29:56 from 24.209.83.20

Hey good read and I didnt even stop when you said I could :) Good attitude about the race, and you are right about being thankful. I actually thought that's a pretty decent race man, and a great run when you consider the travels you just went through (not to mention race/stomach issues). Good Job!

From I Just Run on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 18:12:04 from 71.41.149.142

Hey Flat..I've been looking and looking for the race report. Sorry it didn't turn out the way you planned, I know about that! Even though I'm "new" to running I can tell you from my experience in roping and competing that the journey to the end is much more important than just the final outcome! You should look back on all of the physical and mental preparation as a victory in itself! One day may make a winner, but many days makes a champion!

Philippians 3:14

I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

I hope it's not illegal to post a scripture on someone else's Blog but I thought it was fitting for the circumstance...Keep pressing on...!

IJR

From JG on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:25:15 from 98.66.194.199

Glad you are feeling upbeat ... maybe not your best race, but a great time & a 20+ minute improvement on the same course last year! Tough to say what the stomach issues may have been, do you ever have them on your long training runs? I try to fuel for long runs the same way I do race day ... which for me is keep it simple ... lots of pasta & water. Introduction of anything new to your system that you are not use to, can cause stomach issues, even if it is a performance boosting, carb loading, or electrolyte drink! Do you ever take EFS on your training runs?

Keep up the great work & See you in Boston! :)

From Dave S on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:51:55 from 4.254.220.238

Sorry you didn't quite meet your goals but I like your good attitude about it. That's still a great time especially having to fight through the stomach issues! Hope you're able to get into Boston.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 19:58:10 from 184.79.24.255

I saw the results early and based on your 1:48 1st half, figured you had some kind of issue going on - glad to read it wasn't an injury. I think we've all had the water-sloshing-and-not-getting-absorbed issue, but how crappy to get it on a marathon! You fought through it admirably. Kinda cool that you can say you had a bad day and still BQ'd the race - an enviable position, I say!

From lightitup on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 20:53:50 from 67.5.116.91

Low heart rate, indigestion, plenty of water, and low na content of EFS? I'm guessing hypnatremia. And no, I'm not shy. :)

From lightitup on Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 20:55:34 from 67.5.116.91

sorry, I misspelled, gasp. Hyponatremia. Now I'm going to bed.

From Burt on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 01:49:52 from 72.223.90.79

I see a 3:41 then I see "I think the problem was..." I just don't get you anymore Mark.

From Stephen on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:24:23 from 204.182.3.235

Thanks for the opportunity to get you and Brian to the start line. It was a great experience for me as a spectator. Hope you had a safe flight back home and that you can recover quickly.

From flatlander on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 19:01:28 from 76.31.26.153

Dan, thanks, I think the travels may have had something to do with it, but not much I can do about it.

IJR, thanks, you are welcome to post anytime you want. There will be better days, as you so aptly point out.

JG, I have done EFS before on training runs but probably don't do it regularly enough. I think I need to make a point of getting more long runs in just so I can get more miles under the hood on this type of stuff. Probably been concentrating on the fast stuff too much.

Dan, thanks, I heard some guys saying that somebody figured out statistically that if you are 3 minutes under you will probably get in to Boston. I'm in that range, luckily, so hoping for the best. I want to run it at least once.

Joe, thanks, it is a real mystery, but I'm feeling pretty good now that Monday is here, just glad I seem to have no injuries. Staying in the game is as valuable as a PR.

E, looking up HYNATREMIA now, be right back.

Burt, speed is like money, nobody ever has enough. Just call me a greedy whatever.

Stephen, thanks, feeling great and made it home OK today.

From Kelli on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 00:20:20 from 71.219.92.225

Great attitude! I find your reflections interesting, I wonder what it is that is causing issues for you. I am sure, for at least this race, traveling and odd food could have some major affects!

OK, moving on to bigger and better. The altitude is not so high in St George, it is going to be GREAT!!!

From Steam8 on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 02:50:04 from 166.70.55.77

Loved your post! Way to push through it! Some days are good run and others not. It is just hard to know until you get out there. I have had the stomach sloshing and not absorbing anything during my first marathon. That is no fun at all! I was siiiiiick! Altitude might have had something to do with it to since you were traveling before you got here. It was a great read...Great run!

From Rye on Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 19:00:25 from 174.27.100.202

Way to push through flat... Sometimes the Running Gods smile on us and sometimes they don't. Running injury free is always good. Is it crazy in Texas with the Mavs sticking to Lebron, Wade, and company? Good luck with the rest of your goals.

From derhammer on Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:15:17 from 65.67.40.73

Hey Flat, sorry to hear the race did not go as planned. Obviously, the result does not reflect what you are capable of.

From flatlander on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:44:21 from 76.31.26.153

Thanks Kelli, believe me I am looking forward to St. George. I just haven't felt badly about this race, though. I left it all out there and am strangely happy with that.

Thanks Steam, love your attitude. A bad stomach is like having sand in your gears. Everything can be working just fine but you still can't go fast.

Rye, thanks. We don't like the Mavs too much here in Houston, but everybody I know was definitely rooting for them. It was a morality play and the good guys won.

David, thanks, trying to resist doing a make-up race. I need to be happy with the fact that I could run a 3:41 on a bad day. Life could be a whole lot worse.

From Smooth on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:56:20 from 67.2.124.123

I second derhammer! You have trained hard and solidly. You have the ability to run the race you've planned! So sorry about the tummy not absorbing fluids! I have heard of runners feeling the fluid sloshing around in their stomach. I have experienced that myself in one of my earlier marathons! when that happens, I would take a salt cap. And by the next aid station I could down water no problem! I usually take Gatorade at every aid station and sips or pour water on myself. Did you notice the color of your urine after the race? Were you able to drink or eat after you crossed the finish?

That lady from Kansas is not the fastest 55 yo in the country, especially not on an aided course like UVM. Christine Kennedy ran a 2:51:40 at age 56 in SG last year! Kennedy is from sea level CA! :)

From Smooth on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:59:35 from 67.2.124.123

Oh! I wanted to say YOU DID AWESOME!!! I would kill to run your time!!! EXCELLENT JOB!!!

From Kelli on Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 14:50:10 from 71.219.92.225

Good, you should NEVER feel badly! One can only do what they can do, and it is different every day!

From flatlander on Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 13:07:20 from 76.31.26.153

Smooth, just getting caught up today. Thanks for this helpful input. I used salt tablets early on but didn't like them. I should consider going back to them. I am going to do a lot of long runs this summer and try a lot of different stuff. To answer your question, there was no urine for several hours, even though I could eat and drink to a certain extent. That says a lot about the dehydration I think.

Thanks again Kelli, love your positive attitude.

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