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Location:

Cypress,TX,

Member Since:

Oct 10, 2009

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

5K: 24:22 (March 2010); 22:33 (October 2010); 20:47 (May 2011); 21:05 (May 2012); 21:33 (September 2012); 21:23 (November, 2013); 22:31 (September 2014)

5M:  39:22 (November, 2012); 35:54 (November, 2013); 36:03 (March, 2015)

10K: 44:08 (November, 2010); 49:20 (July, 2013); 44:07 (April, 2015)

12K:  56:03 (December, 2013); 58:58 (December, 2014)

10M:  1:11:58 (October, 2012); 1:15:24 (October, 2014)

Half Marathon:  1:53:xx (London's Run 2010); 2:05:21 (Cowtown 2010); 1:37:04 (Gusher 2011); 1:42:19 (Huntsville 2011); 1:33:47 (Baytown Jailbreak 2012); 1:33:50 (The Woodlands 2012); 1:42:52 (Texas 2015); 1:49:17 (Jailbreak 2015); 1:38:34 (The Woodlands 2015)

25K: 2:01:47 (Fifth Third River Bank, May 2014)

Marathon: 5:51:35 (Texas Marathon 2009); 6:21:36 (Ogden 2009); 4:58:29 (St. George 2009); 4:13:45 (Texas Marathon 2010); 4:04:12 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2010); 5:11:14 (Hartford ING, 2010); 3:41:43 (Richmond SunTrust, 2010); 3:39:27 (Texas Marathon 2011); 3:41:46 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2011); 3:30:35 (St. George 2011); 3:41:51 (Richmond 2012); 3:49:15 (Texas 2013); 3:46:59 (Paavo Nurmi, 2013); 3:34:04 (St. George 2013); 3:49:51 (Texas 2014); 3:31:59 (Richmond 2014); 3:28:34 (Boston 2015)

Short-Term Running Goals:

3:20, 1:30, 0:20

Long-Term Running Goals:

I'm 60, there is no long term.

Personal:

I live, work and run in Houston, Texas.  I have run 17 marathons, some good ones and some others.  I prefer straight, flat, cold, sea-level marathons, still waiting for my first one.  I feel like there are more PRs out there.  When I have them, I am told it is time to dial it back, run for healthy reasons.  I'm sure that's right, and I'm sure it won't happen.

My wife and I are from the mountains of the west.  We have five kids, three granddaughters and three grandsons.  The kids and grandkids are native Texans but we are not -- you have to be born here.

As for my blog title: I run most of my miles before sunrise, sometimes hours before. On the back road of my neighborhood two hours before daylight, I can depend on a pack of mutts behind the boundary fence lighting up when they hear my footsteps. I have wondered what they wanted; but according to Hemingway I needn't ask.

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Race: Hartford ING Marathon (26.2 Miles) 05:11:14
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0026.200.000.0026.20

Not a typo, hard to know what to say, everything fell apart to the maximum degree possible, not really a good explanation.  I am very sorry to all who have shown an interest in my running, things didn’t just partially fail for this race, it was a big-time crash.

I can name 4 or 5 factors but nothing that would explain the greater than one-hour difference with my last marathon time.  Just got out my Garmin for the first time since the race and it is showing something interesting, 7:19 for the first mile I measured, which is about the second or third mile in.  Not sure if that is correct, I do recall seeing some early spot paces in the mid-5s, but that is not a possible speed for me.  The Garmin wasn’t working for the first while and I ended up turning if off and re-setting it.  With that caveat, here are some of the earlier splits and heart rates:

7:19 (168)  I think this is mile 2 or 3, but I really don’t believe the time.  My Garmin was just booting up.  If this is correct then I probably ran the first two or three miles at 10K pace, but I don’t think I did.  I practiced a lot of marathon paces in the last few weeks and I think I have a pretty good feel for the correct pace.  The heart rate would indicate a fast pace.  But it didn’t slow down for the later measured miles so I doubt this speed.

8:26 (165)  About right.

8:22 (166)

8:15 (168)

8:19 (169)  Right about here I passed my wife standing in front of the hotel and told her I felt great, my groin was working fine and never seemed like it was a factor, although I think it changed my gait somewhat because my right hip became sore during and after.

8:21 (167)

8:24 (169)

8:26 (167)

8:39 (168)  Stop to re-fill my water bottle

8:28 (170)

8:35 (169)

8:34 (170)

8:25 (169)

8:33 (173)

8:44 (173)  Beginning of the end

8:53 (172)

8:51 (169)

9:39 (163)

11:18 (155)

And spiraling on down from there.  After about mile 22 I was walking, ran a little bit in mile 23 and never ran again, walked all the way in, couldn’t even run down the finish chute.  At mile 22 I threw up all my liquids.  It was a nice effort, a five-er.  Felt much better but totally helpless.  I was weaving on the road a little.  An officer offered an ambulance or a ride to the finish.  Really, a DNF was the only logical thing to do at this point.  I wouldn’t feel any worse sitting here with a DNF than reporting on my third 5-hour plus marathon but I stubbornly walked it out, not sure then or now if there was much point to it.  Anyway, my sister flew out from Spokane for moral support, found me out on the course at about this point and walked me in, very kind of her to do that.  She is recovering well from injuries and surgery and should be logging some more BQs soon.

Post mortem:  The bad things that happened were:

(1)        Groin injury from two days ago.  I almost didn’t start but thought I could get away with it if I warmed up a little bit at the beginning.  After running about a mile at a very slow rate I tried a couple of gentle stride-outs and they hurt a lot.  I seriously considered bagging it, going back to the hotel and driving out to look at the fall colors.  Out of habit more than anything I fell in at the end of the pack and was even a little teary as I crossed the start mat but by the 10K mark I wasn’t feeling any problems in the groin, though it might have changed my stride a little because my hip hurt and it usually doesn’t do that.  Groin is definitely not feeling good today.

(2)        Temperature.  57F to start, 65F at end, according to an announcement I heard at the race.  Not outrageous but I wouldn’t have travelled to Hartford for an ending temperature of 65.  I can get that in Houston, which by the way was sporting a cool 48F on Saturday.

(3)        Course.  Not flat but rolling, at least as rolling as the top half of Ogden if not more, complete with a long overpass at mile 25, just like UVM, not that it mattered by then.  I remember very few completely flat miles, I guess there aren’t many flat marathon courses.

(4)        Heart rate.  At those speeds my heart rate should never have been so high.  I have heard the lore about ignoring your heart rate in a race because it automatically goes up from the excitement and stress.  Not sure what made it go up but a high heart rate is a high heart rate and I am picking this as the main culprit.  I can’t run 26 miles with a heart rate of 165 to 170, no matter the reason and no matter how good I feel.  15 but not 26.  I just ran a 9:30 mile two days ago with a heart rate of 128.  I should have been at 150 or lower for the first half, not sure how to correct that.

(5)        Lingering cold.  I felt OK during the race, but my normal post-race chills stayed with me throughout the day and suppressed my appetite, and I went to bed with a fever.  Possibly induced by the race but more likely already there.  My ears on the plane coming in were uncomfortable and for me that is an indication that I have a cold even if I don't have other symptoms.

The best explanation I have gotten came from my son.  He said the 5:11 is irrelevant.  The factors above each played their part in the crash, I didn’t have enough conditioning to overcome them all at once.  I didn’t pull back when I started to fail, so when I did crash it was in little pieces spread over several square miles. Once I crashed to this extent the rest of the race didn’t matter.

I promised myself out on the course that I would quit, that it isn't worth the effort to keep at this, but I'm already re-considering.  There is a marathon in Richmond, VA in 5 weeks where my brother lives, and another brother is going to run it.  Maybe a do-over?  If I do, somebody has to check out the course for me.  It has to be flat.

Comments
From KP on Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:05:53 from 173.24.255.248

hang in there, flat!

From Smooth on Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:26:16 from 67.41.235.104

oh Flat! I am so so so sorry! You have trained soooo hard! Great attitude in evaluating...sometimes we learn more from the tough ones. Perhaps the walking of those last 4+ miles help with recovery. Love your attitude. All that hard training does not go to waste. Recover well and ready to bounce back at Richmond!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 20:47:28 from 214.13.130.104

Bummer, but no need to apologize to us! Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree with your son, whether it was 4:11 or 5:11 is meaningless given you had to walk the last few. I wonder if a slight change in stride might have made you have to work harder (higher HR) for those splits as well?

That is ironic about the temps. I think you're in shape for a BQ for sure, but I guess it's tough when all systems are 100% go (I wouldn't know about the difficulty of running a marathon but I could see how a lot has to go perfectly). Anyway, recover well and re-attack; I enjoy reading about your efforts.

From Kelli on Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 22:23:41 from 71.219.65.246

NO APOLOGIES!!! This stuff happens (and happens a lot). We are proud of you for sticking it out and finishing the race. I am so sorry for all of your troubles, dang! This weather is sure crazy, I can not believe the differences everywhere (just one week after St George it was a good 30 degrees cooler in Salt Lake, crazy!)

Just keep at it, be smart, and that race will fall into place.

From Stephen on Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 00:24:29 from 71.195.218.176

I am still shaking my head over this. But your explanation makes a lot of sense. Walking into Church I was praying for you to be able to handle it. I don't know if I would have the will power to try again after that experience. You are amazing.

From SlowJoe on Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 00:57:29 from 84.11.148.245

What did you do for fuel during the race, did you take in carbs?

From Burt on Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 03:55:23 from 68.225.214.248

Sorry about the tough crash Flat. You worked so hard, too. Don't give up.

From derhammer on Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 14:49:06 from 24.28.82.222

Sorry to hear about your experience. I know how dissapointing this can be when everything went right during training. If you think you are good to go in 6 weeks you should consider the California International Marathon - quite a few from our group have gone out there and run PR's - very favorable course and the weather is usually good as well.

From flatlander on Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:03:03 from 76.31.26.153

KP -- thanks for the support, I will definitely hang in there.

Smooth -- you are very kind. Even my wife is telling me to do Richmond and she doesn't necessarily think running is even a good idea!

Joe -- funny thing, I am already convinced my next one is going to be a BQ. You unwittingly stepped in it with the fueling comment. My sister is on me big time for that. I tell her that people run out of gas at 20 miles because that is how far they run in practice. She says you run out of gas because you run out of gas. So we have quite the debate going. Up until now I could hide behind a succession of PRs but I am now exposed and might have to show a little flexibility.

Kelli -- thanks, and congratulations again for your epic SGM! One of the best races of the year on this blog.

Stephen -- thanks for the support. Funny thing, I haven't been that disappointed about this race, considering the total disaster it was. Not even sure what I learned from it but I certainly will never forget it. Some things you just can't make up.

Burt -- I won't.

David -- thanks. I left a comment on your blog. I'll probably do Richmond instead of CIM, if I do anything before January. I try to run Saturday races for religious reasons, but aside from that I have family in Richmond, a brother who is there and has taken in my parents (mother is ailing), so I need to get out there anyway.

From Kelli on Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:34:03 from 71.219.65.246

Ah, shucks! Thanks! And way to stick to the Saturday races, it really makes it hard to find good ones. I wish ALL races were on Saturday. Thanks Goodness Boston is on a Monday, that would have created a serious dilemma for me.

From MichelleL on Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 15:28:34 from 67.41.178.22

Wow, what a race report. I am so sorry you had a bad experience. It wasn't as flat of a course as I thought it was going to be, that's for sure. I can't imagine vomiting and walking it in. It'd be almost enough to swear off marathons. Almost. . .

From flatlander on Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:12:08 from 75.223.159.85

Thanks Michelle. I always swear off of marathons at mile 23, even if I'm having a good day. It is part of who I am.

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