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Location:

Cypress,TX,

Member Since:

Oct 10, 2009

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

5K: 24:22 (March 2010); 22:33 (October 2010); 20:47 (May 2011); 21:05 (May 2012); 21:33 (September 2012); 21:23 (November, 2013); 22:31 (September 2014)

5M:  39:22 (November, 2012); 35:54 (November, 2013); 36:03 (March, 2015)

10K: 44:08 (November, 2010); 49:20 (July, 2013); 44:07 (April, 2015)

12K:  56:03 (December, 2013); 58:58 (December, 2014)

10M:  1:11:58 (October, 2012); 1:15:24 (October, 2014)

Half Marathon:  1:53:xx (London's Run 2010); 2:05:21 (Cowtown 2010); 1:37:04 (Gusher 2011); 1:42:19 (Huntsville 2011); 1:33:47 (Baytown Jailbreak 2012); 1:33:50 (The Woodlands 2012); 1:42:52 (Texas 2015); 1:49:17 (Jailbreak 2015); 1:38:34 (The Woodlands 2015)

25K: 2:01:47 (Fifth Third River Bank, May 2014)

Marathon: 5:51:35 (Texas Marathon 2009); 6:21:36 (Ogden 2009); 4:58:29 (St. George 2009); 4:13:45 (Texas Marathon 2010); 4:04:12 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2010); 5:11:14 (Hartford ING, 2010); 3:41:43 (Richmond SunTrust, 2010); 3:39:27 (Texas Marathon 2011); 3:41:46 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2011); 3:30:35 (St. George 2011); 3:41:51 (Richmond 2012); 3:49:15 (Texas 2013); 3:46:59 (Paavo Nurmi, 2013); 3:34:04 (St. George 2013); 3:49:51 (Texas 2014); 3:31:59 (Richmond 2014); 3:28:34 (Boston 2015)

Short-Term Running Goals:

3:20, 1:30, 0:20

Long-Term Running Goals:

I'm 60, there is no long term.

Personal:

I live, work and run in Houston, Texas.  I have run 17 marathons, some good ones and some others.  I prefer straight, flat, cold, sea-level marathons, still waiting for my first one.  I feel like there are more PRs out there.  When I have them, I am told it is time to dial it back, run for healthy reasons.  I'm sure that's right, and I'm sure it won't happen.

My wife and I are from the mountains of the west.  We have five kids, three granddaughters and three grandsons.  The kids and grandkids are native Texans but we are not -- you have to be born here.

As for my blog title: I run most of my miles before sunrise, sometimes hours before. On the back road of my neighborhood two hours before daylight, I can depend on a pack of mutts behind the boundary fence lighting up when they hear my footsteps. I have wondered what they wanted; but according to Hemingway I needn't ask.

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Race: Anthem Richmond Marathon (26.22 Miles) 03:41:51, Place overall: 948, Place in age division: 25
Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
0.0026.370.000.0026.37

Well, not a good day, but not a disaster either, and I'm surprisingly comfortable with it.  By mile 18 I was ready to pull out of my next two marathons and retire.  I may still do that.  Everybody I have talked to thinks it is an anomaly, but I honestly don't see myself running to try to get faster after Boston unless I improve significantly.  The running doesn't take a lot of time out of my schedule, but it is taxing mentally.

I flew to Richmond yesterday and stayed overnight with my brother, who was entered in the half.  He has been training for over a year without any fuss, but when I got here I discovered he is an excited runner, this was the first time he ran the half as a goal race.  He is in the next age group down.

My brother's wife fixed a very nice pasta dinner, so I felt completely ready this morning, but it was not to be.  There was also an 8K, which started at 7:00, then the half at 7:30 and the marathon at 8:00, which makes the marathon completely vulnerable to heat buildup later in the morning.  They should have reversed the order.  Unless you are under 3 hours it is already 11:00 by the time you finish.  I was shivering at the start line, it was only 38F, but by mile 7 I could already feel the heat.  Probably mid-60s by the time I finished.  Shouldn't have been that big of a deal, but it was today.

I started in between the 3:30 and 3:15 groups.  The front of the marathon was very crowded because a lot of NYC marathoners came in for this one.  That was OK, though, because the first two miles came in generally on pace.  When my HRM kicked in at mile 3 it was showing 170.  I know from experience that is too high, but (i) I averaged 169 at SGM, the last marathon I ran, and (ii) I didn't really know if this new HRM was measuring the same as my old one.  This one came in the mail on Wednesday and I wasn't entirely sure it was accurate.  I felt good so I went with it.  Went through the half in 1:42:25, in pretty good shape especially since there is a lot of downhill in the last 10K.  But by then I was starting to get a little tired and my legs weren't driving like they were earlier.  Pace had already slowed and it gradually slowed down for the rest of the race.  By mile 16 I was feeling quite fatigued and by mile 18 I wanted to quit.  It wasn't an aerobic thing, my heart rate tracked my pace exactly, dropping to 147 by the end of the race.  If I am running a good race, my heart rate builds all the way to the end.  I ran out of glycogen, nothing more than that, and the heat meant that I wasn't absorbing water or electrolytes.  (The EFS tasted especially bad, I'm simply not going to take it again, even if it means permanently slower times.)

But I had no intention of pulling another Hartford, so I kept going.  I was praying from 18 to the end, not for more strength but for the ability to run through it.  I might have actually finished under 3:40 or close to it, but I got hamstring cramps twice in the last two miles and had to stop until they subsided.  But the prayer worked, I was able to keep going somehow, though I was almost delerious when I finished.  There was a very long finishing chute and I got water but somehow missed my medal.  Since I was convinced this was my last marathon, I asked my brother to take my bib and go back to get my medal.  He had to talk to a couple of people, a lot of the NYC marathoners were not guaranteed to get medals, but he came back with one, even though he was walking around on gimpy legs too. 

I started to black out about 5 minutes after I finished, so I sat down on the grass and eventually threw up.  Felt better after that but my legs continued to hurt a lot.  They still hurt tonight.

So it wasn't a pretty marathon, but the experience of running that last 8 miles will be with me the rest of my life, longer than a PR would have been.  My brother ran 1:52 for the half, which put him in the same 20th percentile as me.  I think it may be time to pass the torch, but I'm still thinking. 

Despite everyone's encouragement, I think there may be something wrong.  Have been running well this year, even though my miles are not quite as high due to sickness, traveling and one bad injury.  But the training felt different coming into this marathon.  Those 3 hard long runs were very telling.  First one at 8:00 went well, but not the next two.  It's like there is no distance left in my legs.  But maybe it was just a bad day.

Splits are as follows (women and children, please close your eyes):  7:43, 7:39, 7:31 (170), 7:41 (170), 7:39 (161), 7:45 (169), 7:44 (167), 7:47 (168), 7:33 (166), 7:48 (166), 8:14 (168) (long uphill), 8:03 (166), 8:02 (167), 8:03 (164), 8:03 (164), 8:25 (166), 8:39 (165), 8:52 (162), 9:11 (158), 9:17 (157), 9:30 (156), 9:37 (155), 9:38 (155), 9:38 (158), 10:48 (153) (cramp #2), 9:12 (147).

Comments
From SonofaFlatlander on Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 21:57:50 from 139.52.7.29

Ha, I love the "women and children" part. This is an inspiring race story, regardless of how you look at it. Your passion for running is contagious and it's fun to see that Michael has caught the bug.

From Rye on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 06:38:17 from 65.129.125.80

Just getting up to go to church meetings and I am inspired from your experience. We have been told to pray for everything...even the little things. As runners this would not be called a "little" by no means. In the large arena of life this is a character building moment and you have built some more strengths to fall back on in your life. Way to push through some tough miles! See you at the next race! This is just a stepping stone for better times ahead.

From SlowJoe on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 13:56:50 from 69.131.141.92

So, you almost blacked out, did throw up, and can barely walk. Congratulations on another marathon! You have my complete respect (marathoners are so weird.) I know you're already looking forward to the next one.

Sounds like a fuel thing again? The heat at the end could not have helped much either. It's so hard to keep one's body going that long, for so many reasons, it's almost pure luck if you can do it.

The endurance and the speed are there, just missing that perfect day of execution. Way to push yourself through, that took a lot.

From PRE on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 17:15:04 from 99.50.213.11

Not your best race...been there. But, am I off on this - this result is only eleven minutes off of your PR for the distance - right? I might be wrong on that. But if I am on target, then you did pretty well today!

From Bec on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 19:26:20 from 71.195.240.22

Sounds like you might have just had a bad day. Throwing up at the end and blacking out are not good signs. :( I am sorry those 8 felt horrible.

Give it another go. I also had a really bad marathon that I thought I had trained really hard for. I keep telling myself to take another shot at it, it's so bitter sweet.

From derhammer on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 21:10:32 from 70.113.106.189

Sorry to read that it did not go completely as planned. I agree that the heat later on doesn't help. The recent time change didn't help much either. It was really like starting at 9 am. I am all for 7 am and in the dark for a start. It certainly doesn't make sense that they would start the marathoners last.

It takes a lot to gut it out like that and finish no matter what. Experiences like that will help you in all future races. You did good.

I have had my share of throwing up at the end and even going to the medical tent a couple times, twice in a wheelchair. If I would have called it quits after the last marathon that happened to me I would not have experienced those 3 great marathons in 2011. Take some time to rest and reassess before making any rash decisions.

From Stephen on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 21:34:45 from 71.195.220.45

Way to hang in there and pull through the hard times. You are an inspiration to me. I hope that you have a good recovery.

From Claudio on Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 04:19:11 from 173.75.183.102

Flatlander, I think I know how you felt, that sounds very much like the experience I had in Philadelphia 2011. I definitely learned to trust the HR monitor that day, so much that I don't use one anymore! You know you are worth a faster and better marathon, thus feeling disappointed and let down on this one, and yet proud of the strength to endure the suffering until the finish line, with a very respectable time after all. So, congratulations on your strength and determination, and may you use that feeling of disappointment as the fuel for a great run ahead.

From Bret on Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 07:13:28 from 64.128.133.66

Flatlander - I did not see this report until this morning. I was in the same race too. For what its worth, I had some difficulties from about 18 miles onward. While I came up short of my goal, as you did, I think you can take away as an accomplishment, the mental/physical endurance that you pushed through in those last miles.

I had not considered the increased temps as a factor - but then again, I was not thinking that clearly at the end either.

I likewise sort of "collapsed" after the finish on the park lawn - feeling that it was one of the toughest days I had been through in the end.

How did you like that sharp downhill at the end? Not welcome for tired legs!

Give yourself a few days of reflection and rest before hanging things up. You did much better than most and you should be proud of your accomplishments of overcoming and finishing a marathon on what may not have been your best day.

From Jake K on Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:30:26 from 155.100.226.191

Heat and hamstring cramps - I can relate to those... way to soldier on and get through those last 8 miles.

When it starts out cool and then the temperature creeps up towards 60 degrees, that can be a lot tougher than most people realize. A 7am start would have been a lot nicer.

Still one of your faster marathons on an off day, and after feeling off on the last couple long runs... I agree w/ Bret... give it a little time before making any big decisions. You've got some PRs left in you!

From flatlander on Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 13:31:10 from 76.31.26.153

Clint, yes, Michael is definitely an up and coming runner.

Rye, thanks, this race wasn't very successful but I wouldn't have traded it for a PR, something about it was very memorable.

Joe, I think fuel was the main culprit. I had EFS but it didn't feel good (never has, really). It is calories and electrolytes, but it doesn't do any good if you can't absorb it. I'm trying to think what else might be a good choice. I know ultra runners work a lot harder on hydration and nutrition than I do.

PRE, I know it wasn't truly a bad day. (I have had those and I know the difference.) But I was planning on about a 10-minute PR, so I missed it by 21 minutes, almost a minute per mile off. But it's OK, learned a lot.

David, thanks for the perspective. I like running too much to walk away, but I hadn't planned on surrendering to father time just yet. Too early to tell if that is the case, though.

Thanks Stephen, hope your running is going well these days. Maybe you can run it next year with us?

Claudio, thanks, you summed it up very well. The HRM doesn't lie, I guess. You can beat it for shorter races but not for a marathon.

Bret, thanks so much for taking the time to read my report, I had no idea there were any other bloggers there. Maybe I'll see you there in the future. It is a good race for me because of my brother living there. (Hopefully you didn't see me throw up on the lawn!)

Jake, thank you very much. I'm taking you at your word on the PRs!

From flatlander on Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 15:07:23 from 76.31.26.153

Bec, sorry for not acknowledging your comment! There is something about a bad marathon, it adds something to the whole running thing, not sure what but it is definitely there.

From I Just Run on Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:22:03 from 67.79.11.242

Hi Flat,

I just got back from vacation and trying to catch up with the blogs and race reports. Sorry to hear about the rough race, I know how you feel but still admire and acknowledge the extra effort and the finish. Unless you've run a marathon (or a few) you don't realize how big of an accomplishment it is to finish...especially to really, really push through the end. Congradulations, now it's time to prepare and race again!

From Smooth on Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:40:38 from 67.2.119.62

I second what's been said! it was a rough day and you peserved to a very respectable time! You were disappointed because you've had a solid training cycle and had worked so hard for a PR which I am sure on a better day is yours to take! I am very proud of your performance and the way you battle to the finish! :)

Is the "end of the world or day after the end of the world marathon" still on your docket? hope to see you in Dec.

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