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Location:

Cypress,TX,

Member Since:

Oct 10, 2009

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

5K: 24:22 (March 2010); 22:33 (October 2010); 20:47 (May 2011); 21:05 (May 2012); 21:33 (September 2012); 21:23 (November, 2013); 22:31 (September 2014)

5M:  39:22 (November, 2012); 35:54 (November, 2013); 36:03 (March, 2015)

10K: 44:08 (November, 2010); 49:20 (July, 2013); 44:07 (April, 2015)

12K:  56:03 (December, 2013); 58:58 (December, 2014)

10M:  1:11:58 (October, 2012); 1:15:24 (October, 2014)

Half Marathon:  1:53:xx (London's Run 2010); 2:05:21 (Cowtown 2010); 1:37:04 (Gusher 2011); 1:42:19 (Huntsville 2011); 1:33:47 (Baytown Jailbreak 2012); 1:33:50 (The Woodlands 2012); 1:42:52 (Texas 2015); 1:49:17 (Jailbreak 2015); 1:38:34 (The Woodlands 2015)

25K: 2:01:47 (Fifth Third River Bank, May 2014)

Marathon: 5:51:35 (Texas Marathon 2009); 6:21:36 (Ogden 2009); 4:58:29 (St. George 2009); 4:13:45 (Texas Marathon 2010); 4:04:12 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2010); 5:11:14 (Hartford ING, 2010); 3:41:43 (Richmond SunTrust, 2010); 3:39:27 (Texas Marathon 2011); 3:41:46 (Utah Valley Marathon, 2011); 3:30:35 (St. George 2011); 3:41:51 (Richmond 2012); 3:49:15 (Texas 2013); 3:46:59 (Paavo Nurmi, 2013); 3:34:04 (St. George 2013); 3:49:51 (Texas 2014); 3:31:59 (Richmond 2014); 3:28:34 (Boston 2015)

Short-Term Running Goals:

3:20, 1:30, 0:20

Long-Term Running Goals:

I'm 60, there is no long term.

Personal:

I live, work and run in Houston, Texas.  I have run 17 marathons, some good ones and some others.  I prefer straight, flat, cold, sea-level marathons, still waiting for my first one.  I feel like there are more PRs out there.  When I have them, I am told it is time to dial it back, run for healthy reasons.  I'm sure that's right, and I'm sure it won't happen.

My wife and I are from the mountains of the west.  We have five kids, three granddaughters and three grandsons.  The kids and grandkids are native Texans but we are not -- you have to be born here.

As for my blog title: I run most of my miles before sunrise, sometimes hours before. On the back road of my neighborhood two hours before daylight, I can depend on a pack of mutts behind the boundary fence lighting up when they hear my footsteps. I have wondered what they wanted; but according to Hemingway I needn't ask.

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Easy MilesMarathon Pace MilesThreshold MilesVO2 Max MilesTotal Distance
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48F, 100% and calm.  If it had been hot I would not have gone out today, but with temperatures rising towards the end of the week I decided to test out my legs.  They were OK, 6.2 at an easy pace, I'm guessing 9:30 to 10:00.  I could definitely feel the race in my legs until about the 3-mile mark, at which point they felt better and they feel OK tonight.  I'll be pacing Wade in a 10-mile race on Saturday in the Woodlands, so I do want to get some work in without overdoing it.

I've been sorting through a lot of variables from Saturday, although the more I think about it the more I realize how little I really know:

  • Weather had to be the number one factor.  How can you beat less than 55F at the finish line with a significant tailwind until at least the bottom of Veyo, and a cross wind going up the hill?  I could actually feel it pushing on my back at some points.
  • I have always believed that the altitude cancels out the downhill advantage for a sea-level runner; but with my two best marathons now being on this course, that is open for debate.  On the other hand, I have run mediocre to bad races in Provo (twice) and Ogden (not even going there) -- a bit higher altitude in those places but a lot of downhill and not as much uphill.  I still believe, however, that the hit a sea level runner takes going to altitude is greater than the advantage an altitude runner gets when coming to sea level, have seen that one time and again.
  • I peaked perfectly.  I did three 20-milers in the 5 days before my taper, and the taper was only 10 days and active (a week of regular workouts without long runs, then two days' rest, then race day).  This worked because I was still peaking, I hadn't plateaued going into that last 5 days before the taper, since each 20-miler was faster than the previous one, at equal or lesser effort.  But it is risky, because you don't really know until after you have gone long if you are at the plateau or not, or at least I don't.  If I had plateaued I might have risked overtraining, which takes a longer time to recover from, probably even longer than the typical 3-week taper.
  • I ate whatever I wanted the last week, but avoided red meat and tried to eat carbs as healthily as possible.  I carb-loaded but not excessively.
  • Running without a watch, I may have run the first half slower than with one (not too sure about that, though, I underestimated my fitness level going in and that would have kept my pace slow), and the second half faster (this is definitely the case -- no way would I have dared to bomb down the course at 7:35 to 7:45 if I had been looking at mile splits).
  • The altitude running over the summer probably helped.  3 days in Arizona in July, one of them a grueling 14-miler at 9400' and a 10K race half uphill at 7000'.  Then 3 days at Tahoe in August.
  • I got a big boost from running in the heat all summer long.  8:30 per mile at SGM felt like 10:00 here in Houston.  Any morning I made it out against the odds this summer was money in the bank at race time.
  • It is also possible that I got a lot of benefit from long, slow miles.  I hate them but they did not slow me down on race day, and they seemed to sustain me through the final miles.
  • What is the deal with my age group?  Three guys under 3 hours, the winner from sea level?  I have seen Boston times not much better than that.  No answer for that one, I just have to get better.
  • There is good and bad to take from every race (leaving Ogden out here); that's why it is so important to make sure the process itself is fulfilling, because race day is never going to be perfect, although this one was pretty close.

I promise no more comments about SGM.

Comments
From JG on Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 09:53:55 from 99.141.151.28

Flat, fantastic race, congratulations!

I have never run Provo or Ogden, but there are big difference to the elevations there & St. George, as it appears they both have long stretches above 4500' that are not really downhill. Having run St. George twice, I found that the downhill the first 7 miles canceled out the effect of elevation, & while the next 6 are a little challenging with some uphill, the last 13 are big time down with rapidly decreasing elevation. There is no way I could run a sea level race equivalent to what I could run at St. George, and I think if you look at the times across the board at St. George, that is one fast course, especially with the temps you were blessed with! Hope to see you in Boston in '15 ... it is being run on my birthday! :)

Congrats again, you earned that great race after battling back from injury!

From Stephen on Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 13:22:14 from 204.182.3.238

St George marathon was the worst of my three by a long ways, but I attribute it to being poorly trained (due to sickness) and very hot temperatures. I still remember how thirsty I was at the end.

I might try a flat marathon some day, just to see how I do.

From derhammer on Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 09:44:10 from 64.245.52.2

That's a lot of information to digest, Flat. All interesting points.

Hopefully I get in next year's race.

From I Just Run on Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:02:34 from 67.79.11.242

Lots of information there. It will be good to have all of these thoughts for your races in the future.

From flatlander on Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:27:25 from 198.207.244.102

JG, thanks much; interesting points about the second half of the race. Sasha, commenting on a TOU race report, basically agrees with you that SGM is special among the downhill courses: http://runwietecha.blogspot.com/2013/10/25-weeks-later.html

But he doesn't talk much about how it plays out for non-altitude trained runners like us. I think your experience (and probably mine, just not sure yet) is that we do well at SGM also -- the downhill is at a low enough altitude that we are faster than on flat sea level courses. I have upcoming a sea-level, flat marathon on New Years Day (as usual). If I train correctly and show up in good condition, it will be an interesting comparison.

Stephen, come to Houston. Free room and board.

DH, would be great to see you out there. Not sure if I will get in either, it seems to alternate every other year.

IJR, agreed, that's one of the benefits of keeping a log. I got out my SGM 2011 report yesterday and learned a lot from it.

From derhammer on Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:52:25 from 64.245.52.2

What's the decline really like - are there some really steep drop-offs or is it somewhat gradual?

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